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Post by no1red on Sept 19, 2022 13:31:54 GMT -5
Greetings from Aberdeen Scotland.. Hi , I purchased a Asguard directly from the US around 6 months ago, I wonder if you can help ? Iam trying to connect my headphone amp via my preamp Emotiva TA1 ,I’m far from an audio expert however as far as I can see I’ve followed the correct suggestion method ie rca line in at the back of the headphone amp. Running into the rca Aux out at the back of the Emotiva..I have tried other line outs from the Emotiva amp, but I’m still not getting any sound from the headphone amp Im mainly streaming music via a Bluesound node 3 but I have various headphones which yes can be driven by either the Emotiva or the Bluesound however I would like to use the Asguard as a reference,comparison ive posted a photo of the back of my amp type ( most of you will likely be familiar with) however the only photo of the Asguard is too big to post .. apart from send the headphone amp back!! You suggestions would be much appreciated  |
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Post by no1red on Sept 20, 2022 6:21:59 GMT -5
Greetings from Aberdeen Scotland.. Hi , I purchased a Asguard directly from the US around 6 months ago, I wonder if you can help ? Iam trying to connect my headphone amp via my preamp Emotiva TA1 ,I’m far from an audio expert however as far as I can see I’ve followed the correct suggestion method ie rca line in at the back of the headphone amp. Running into the rca Aux out at the back of the Emotiva..I have tried other line outs from the Emotiva amp, but I’m still not getting any sound from the headphone amp Im mainly streaming music via a Bluesound node 3 but I have various headphones which yes can be driven by either the Emotiva or the Bluesound however I would like to use the Asguard as a reference,comparison ive posted a photo of the back of my amp type ( most of you will likely be familiar with) however the only photo of the Asguard is too big to post .. apart from send the headphone amp back!! You suggestions would be much appreciated View Attachmentin addition should switching the internal amp switch to full range activate the analog main out ? If not how is this activated |
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Post by geebo on Sept 20, 2022 8:53:49 GMT -5
Greetings from Aberdeen Scotland.. Hi , I purchased a Asguard directly from the US around 6 months ago, I wonder if you can help ? Iam trying to connect my headphone amp via my preamp Emotiva TA1 ,I’m far from an audio expert however as far as I can see I’ve followed the correct suggestion method ie rca line in at the back of the headphone amp. Running into the rca Aux out at the back of the Emotiva..I have tried other line outs from the Emotiva amp, but I’m still not getting any sound from the headphone amp Im mainly streaming music via a Bluesound node 3 but I have various headphones which yes can be driven by either the Emotiva or the Bluesound however I would like to use the Asguard as a reference,comparison ive posted a photo of the back of my amp type ( most of you will likely be familiar with) however the only photo of the Asguard is too big to post .. apart from send the headphone amp back!! You suggestions would be much appreciated View Attachmentin addition should switching the internal amp switch to full range activate the analog main out ? If not how is this activated The Main Outs should be active always. If you can hear music playing through your speakers then those outputs should supply a line level signal out to another amp. So if you hear music playing but aren't getting music from the headphone amp then there could possibly be a problem with the TA1, the connection or the headphone amp. Also if you have headphones plugged into the TA1 then the main outs may be muted. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 20, 2022 9:00:16 GMT -5
Hi no1red - Greetings from the swamp! (I live in Louisiana)... I think that what's going on here is that you have some duplication of function between the TA-1 and the Asgard. The TA-1 will be the upstream device since it has more inputs and a built-in DAC. The output jacks you want from the TA-1 are the ones marked "Main Out." While using these jacks, the TA-1 volume control will be ACTIVE. In other words, any volume attenuation you do on the TA-1 will affect the output to the Schiit. The jacks you want on the Schiit are the ones marked "Input." Once so connected, the Schiit's volume control will ALSO be active. So if you want to listen to your headphones loudly, you'll need to not only turn up the volume on the TA-1 but ALSO turn up the volume on the Schiit. When you turn up the volume on the TA-1, you're also turning up the volume on your speakers. If you don't want this, then you'll have to go into the TA-1's front panel controls to turn OFF the speakers (I think this is an option?). If you do this (turn off the speakers and turn up the volume), then you MUST remember to turn DOWN the volume before reactivating the speakers. Otherwise, you'll get some painfully loud audio from the speakers when they're turned on again. One other comment - the "Main Out" jacks on the TA-1 are ALWAYS full-range. Only the "X-Over Out" jacks are frequency-limited. The headphone jack (on the TA-1) is also always full-range. This seems like a LOT of work just to use your Asgard. The TA-1 has a headphone amp built in (that automatically mutes the speakers when the headphones are plugged in). I'd expect that the Schiit might sound better by a little, but there's just no easy way to connect it when the TA-1 is upstream. You can't use the Asgard without the TA-1 because the DAC is in your TA-1. I hope I haven't confused you more? If you're truly fond of the Asgard, consider adding a Schiit Modi DAC ($129 USD). That would get the TA-1 out of the loop and improve your sound by having only one, not two volume controls in the signal path. On the other hand, if you can get by with the headphone jack on the TA-1, then let the Asgard go and smile all the way to the bank. Cordially - Boomzilla |
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no1red
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Post by no1red on Sept 20, 2022 15:16:57 GMT -5
Thanks for your replies. On further investigation into the Asguard I had an additional reply from the supplier,
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the information and the image. I have spoken to the UK distributor and there are no additional steps to get signal from the TA1 on the main outputs. One thing to check would be a line level input on your PM6004 and checking if you are getting any signal from the TA1 into the Marantz.
Please let us know the result and if no sound is coming out of the TA1 we can get it back for further investigation.
It does seem up to now that the main line out is not active, my nephew a electronic engineer, is coming round tomorrow evening to carry out some in-house tests to establish if power is coming from either unit , it’s all very difficult now when life throws little curve ball and you end up disabled and wheelchair dependent.
Again appreciate your input. No pun intended.
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 20, 2022 15:19:33 GMT -5
Hope you get it worked out! Welcome back here anytime.  |
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Post by KeithL on Sept 21, 2022 10:42:20 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused by the way you described the way you've currently got things connected... I'm assuming that you have the BlueSound connected to the Emotiva TA1 ... And you want to compare the headphone amp in the TA1 to the Asgard as a separate headphone amp... In that case you will want to connect things this way:  NOTE that the Volume Control on the Emotiva WILL still control the level of the signal. And, when you're using the Asgard, its Volume control will ALSO control the level. (So BOTH will need to be turned up.) Also NOTE that, if you have speakers connected to the TA1, they're going to play when there are no headphones plugged into the TA1. BUT, when you plug headphones into the TA1, the Main Outputs on the TA1 will not play (they get the same signal as the speaker amplifiers). SO, in order to use a separate headphone amp, but not have the speakers play, you'll have to actually disconnect the speakers (like with a switch). Also note that, if you use a switch, it's better if you disconnect the speakers while the TA1 is OFF. (The TA1 won't mind being run with the speakers disconnected but, if you flip the switch while the amp is on, it may go into protect mode.) You mentioned "Running into the RCA Aux out at the back of the Emotiva". The AUX RCA connectors on the back of the Emotiva are an INPUT. (So, if you connect them to an INPUT on the Asgard then you're not going to get anything on either.) Greetings from Aberdeen Scotland.. Hi , I purchased a Asguard directly from the US around 6 months ago, I wonder if you can help ? Iam trying to connect my headphone amp via my preamp Emotiva TA1 ,I’m far from an audio expert however as far as I can see I’ve followed the correct suggestion method ie rca line in at the back of the headphone amp. Running into the rca Aux out at the back of the Emotiva..I have tried other line outs from the Emotiva amp, but I’m still not getting any sound from the headphone amp Im mainly streaming music via a Bluesound node 3 but I have various headphones which yes can be driven by either the Emotiva or the Bluesound however I would like to use the Asguard as a reference,comparison ive posted a photo of the back of my amp type ( most of you will likely be familiar with) however the only photo of the Asguard is too big to post .. apart from send the headphone amp back!! You suggestions would be much appreciated View Attachment |
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Post by no1red on Sept 21, 2022 12:59:58 GMT -5
That’s what set up I had 👍 however,, I had my nephew over who is an electronics engineer, he ran the Asguard thr the Emotiva amp, nothing only muted sound coming from the Asguard, he then set up my Marantz PM 6004 and alas only distortion coming through the Marantz through a few RCA inputs.
When I first got the Asgard it played perfect well through the Marantz AUX RCA input
We also run my Bluesound node 3 through both amps just to establish both are working,so in fact it seems that the actual problem lays in the Asguard , I’ve sent the latest test including a sound bite of the distortion coming from the Asguard, in the hope that the Uk dealership can repair/ replace even tho I purchased the unit directly from Schitt US
or as I’ve now read and observed from your comments I’m perhaps not running it through the Emotiva correctly ? However that doesn’t equate as to why the Asgard isn’t as it had previously run perfectly well via the PM6004
Fingers crossed
Thanks for your feedback
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Post by KeithL on Sept 21, 2022 14:59:48 GMT -5
You're missing a piece of the puzzle. You could indeed connect the Asgard before the Emotiva in the signal chain. In that case you would need to connect a line level source TO THE INPUT OF THE ASGARD. (Presumably this line level source would be the analog output of the Bluesound.) You could then connect the RCA OUTPUT of the Asgard to the AUX INPUT on the Emotiva. The important difference is that when connected that way: - This WOULD allow you to avoid having the speakers connected to the Emotiva playing when you were using the headphone output. - It is the OUTPUT of the Asgard connected to the Aux Input on the Emotiva. - You have an analog source connected to the INPUT of the Asgard. - The drawback is that, since the Asgard only has a single analog input, you can only connect one source device to it, and it must be analog. (So you cannot use multiple source devices or the digital inputs that the PT1 has.) Either way should work. And each has benefits and drawbacks. So, yes, it does sound like the Asgard has suffered from "infant mortality", which does happen sometimes with audio gear, especially after being shipped. (And I'm sure the distributor will take care of you.) That’s what set up I had 👍 however,, I had my nephew over who is an electronics engineer, he ran the Asguard thr the Emotiva amp, nothing only muted sound coming from the Asguard, he then set up my Marantz PM 6004 and alas only distortion coming through the Marantz through a few RCA inputs. When I first got the Asgard it played perfect well through the Marantz AUX RCA input We also run my Bluesound node 3 through both amps just to establish both are working,so in fact it seems that the actual problem lays in the Asguard , I’ve sent the latest test including a sound bite of the distortion coming from the Asguard, in the hope that the Uk dealership can repair/ replace even tho I purchased the unit directly from Schitt US or as I’ve now read and observed from your comments I’m perhaps not running it through the Emotiva correctly ? However that doesn’t equate as to why the Asgard isn’t as it had previously run perfectly well via the PM6004 Fingers crossed Thanks for your feedback |
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Post by vcautokid on Sept 22, 2022 5:43:50 GMT -5
For the record I am on my 2nd Asgard and most likely will not buy Schiit anymore as even the replacement is acting up. The headphone jack is not maintaining connection and yes done all the cabling bit. So it looks like my Modius seems to be the only one that hasn’t Schiit the bed. I am done with Schiit Audio. On to bigger and better things. So far Fiio, and SMSL and Topping has killed anything that Schiit at my place. Your mileage may vary.
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Post by no1red on Sept 23, 2022 12:57:08 GMT -5
Thanks for all the reply’s, particularly Keith L ( most of which went whoosh over my head ) The Asguard was out , the AC lead wound up and cabled wrapped ready to send back ,only to get a reply from the UK distributor saying “sorry but you’ll have to send it directly to Schitt US. “ your kidding “ Anyway I had one last roll of the dice then once the smoke of the single electron in my brain cleared, I plugged the Asguard into my Marantz NA6005 well bugger me it worked . still puzzled why it didn’t work via the Marantz PM6004.
Well at least now I don’t have to disconnect the speakers every time I wished to use the headphone amp which is big deal for me physically and logistically
Happy ending ? maybe not quite maybe contented ending. For now. 🎶🤔
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