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Post by audiosyndrome on Oct 30, 2022 9:33:23 GMT -5
Paul? I have an oppo 205, and it doesn’t have near the quality of sound of my RMC-1L. My oppo 205 doesn’t have near the quirky problems of my RMC-1L. I won’t go back to using the 7.1 outputs of the oppo 205. Before I bought the RMC-1L, I was using the oppo 205 as a player and prepro, with an additional input source. It worked well, but the sound of the RMC-1L was an ear opener I didn’t expect. I had a number of reasons for thinking the RMC-1L would not sound as good or better than the oppo 205. My reasoning was flawed. I too have an Oppo 205 in addition to an XMC-2. I agree the 205 is solid as a rock. I disagree however that the RMC (XMC) sounds better than the 205. I find them to sound the same. Maybe RichB can chime in here. He has both. Or maybe your problem is that you don’t use $700 power cords. 😂😂 Russ |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 30, 2022 10:12:57 GMT -5
Russ, I see that something technically odd has occurred with your post. My words are attributed to Leon. Your response is attributed to me. Odd.
By your own logic, maybe your $700 power cords homogenize the sound enough so you can’t hear a difference. Or, the rest of your system is not capable of resolving details. Or, the RMC is better than the XMC. There are other possible psycho-acoustic phenomena at play too. I wouldn’t discount anything that may cause you to not hear a difference.
You really should stop this. Lighten up guy. Keep the training wheels on your bicycle. Trolling is not your strong suit.
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Post by fbczar on Oct 30, 2022 10:41:18 GMT -5
I too have an Oppo 205 in addition to an XMC-2. I agree the 205 is solid as a rock. I disagree however that the RMC (XMC) sounds better than the 205. I find them to sound the same. Maybe RichB can chime in here. He has both. Or maybe your problem is that you don’t use $700 power cords. 😂😂 Russ I have the XMC-2 and the Oppo 205. They do not sound remotely the same. I think the XMC-2 is superior in every way, but that is my preference. I suppose a system could be set up that could mask the differences in the 205 and XMC-2, but that is not the case in my system, for me. Of course, all discussions related to sound seem to assume everyone has equal hearing capability, which is simply not true. |
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Post by leonski on Oct 30, 2022 16:25:49 GMT -5
Not $700 when the manufacturer is a fellow club member. You need to lighten up guy. 😜 I get it. You are advertising.  What club? I guess I'm not a member of the 'club'. It's a big 'club', and I'm not in it. Did you 'cryogenically' treat your house wiring? I do 'burn-in' my house wiring everyday - 24/7 - every wire, from the x-former in the yard, through the aluminum main, to the copper in the walls, to the outlets in the house. The house be cookin'.  I spent a couple years in Alaska. EVERYTHING you are or OWN is Cyrogenically Treated....on an annual basis..... Not quite LN2 cold, but cold enough to render rubber products MOOT and embrittle some other materials. You needed TRIPLE or more glazed glass.....QUAD glazed on the north facing window (singular)...... |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Oct 30, 2022 20:58:10 GMT -5
[quote author=" PaulBe " You really should stop this. Lighten up guy. Keep the training wheels on your bicycle. Trolling is not your strong suit. [/quote] Paul - I’m a member of this forum for twelve years. I’m sure all the regulars would consider me a valued contributor. YOU’RE the first member in all that time to accuse me of “trolling”. And you’re the one who started this Schiit show. I simply replied to your post suggesting that using an chip adapter as you displayed was not practical for an AVR or prepro. However I could have dived deeper. As so, the circuit card assemblies in the AVR or prepro are populated with surface mount components. The adapter you chose is a thru-hole component. Thru-hole components are designated “secondary ops” for an SMT assembly. Secondary ops are labor intensive and expensive. Generally frowned upon by those responsible for design to unit production cost (DTUPC). That’s me. I could go on but I think you get the point. Anyway I have to go polish the silver contacts in my dedicated power panel. 🤣 Russ |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 31, 2022 7:54:46 GMT -5
Russ – I don’t care how long you have been a member of this forum. After this post, you can keep diving as deep as you wish; without me.
The adapter link I posted was the first pic I found. My point was about modularity, not the use of that particular connector. I stated that. I didn’t expect EMO would use any particular way to handle supply chain chip problems. My focus was on modularity. KeithL stated how EMO handles it. I’m satisfied with his response. I’ll bet the G4P will have better DTUPC than the G3P.
I had a 35 year engineering career, so I come with a few credentials too. I normally don’t flash my credentials at every opportunity. I do post things I know. I know BS when I see and hear it. I know that if you have as much technical experience as you allude to, and you are still playing with magic power cables and silver contacts for dedicated audio power sub-panels, then you are part of the audio religion, and not the engineering. And, you are a promoter as well as a user. What is the DTUPC of your magic power cables? What does your boss think about your real design skills when you play with and promote audio magic?
Your actions speak so loudly I can’t hear a word you say about any real engineering.
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Post by cwmcobra on Oct 31, 2022 8:08:37 GMT -5
I don't often post in the Lounge, but I feel compelled to do so after reading this dialogue from the last few days. Simply stated, please stop the personal attacks. I respect engineering knowledge and experience, but you are losing that respect with seemingly defensive, childish dialogue.
Back to the Next Generation, please!
Chuck
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Post by junchoon on Oct 31, 2022 13:39:22 GMT -5
I don't often post in the Lounge, but I feel compelled to do so after reading this dialogue from the last few days. Simply stated, please stop the personal attacks. I respect engineering knowledge and experience, but you are losing that respect with seemingly defensive, childish dialogue. Back to the Next Generation, please! Chuck In many ways some of us on this forum need to realize a critical part of the equation, and all will make sense and not get too upset and will not take them as attacks With my “non-native English speaker” (please check past replies to get the reference from another thread) understanding X number of years in engineering ≠ X number of years in online etiquette Thanks for listening P. S.: I am actually more interested in getting a stable firmware from Emotiva on the existing PrePro - the 4th Gen will look more promising and interesting |
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Post by m3adjuster on Oct 31, 2022 14:54:32 GMT -5
hoping to reboot processor chat
I had a brief (E arc related?) hiccup with my XMC-1 and an Emotiva Amp which caused me to start surfing these pages..
as it turns out unplugging all and rebooting all worked out to resolve the issue. I have not updated my XMC-1 to V3 video
and am nearing where I might purchase a 4K television.
I see that there are perhaps nearly as many XMC-1 owners that did NOT make the move to G3P /XMC2 and up as those that did.
I am hoping information and pricing becomes available for an upgrade for those that might want to now make the jump to the new models.
I am considering a BASX MC purchase to sort of bridge the gap to GP4 as i have enjoyed the UNBALANCED connections on my XMC-1 and
have not made the move to amps with a balanced connection and I don't like the idea of adapters for balanced to unbalanced connections either.
Will all the GP4 models continue to eschew unbalanced connections ?
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Post by leonski on Oct 31, 2022 16:19:06 GMT -5
Russ – I don’t care how long you have been a member of this forum. After this post, you can keep diving as deep as you wish; without me. The adapter link I posted was the first pic I found. My point was about modularity, not the use of that particular connector. I stated that. I didn’t expect EMO would use any particular way to handle supply chain chip problems. My focus was on modularity. KeithL stated how EMO handles it. I’m satisfied with his response. I’ll bet the G4P will have better DTUPC than the G3P. I had a 35 year engineering career, so I come with a few credentials too. I normally don’t flash my credentials at every opportunity. I do post things I know. I know BS when I see and hear it. I know that if you have as much technical experience as you allude to, and you are still playing with magic power cables and silver contacts for dedicated audio power sub-panels, then you are part of the audio religion, and not the engineering. And, you are a promoter as well as a user. What is the DTUPC of your magic power cables? What does your boss think about your real design skills when you play with and promote audio magic? Your actions speak so loudly I can’t hear a word you say about any real engineering. paul says you can 'keep diving' but without him......than answers a post. Me? I'd use sockets for OPAMPS if I were into opamp rolling.......a weird subset of Tube Rolling for the solid state guy with more money and time than the law allows.......I settled on the OPA2134 when I was building headphone amps.... |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 31, 2022 17:11:59 GMT -5
Russ – I don’t care how long you have been a member of this forum. After this post, you can keep diving as deep as you wish; without me. The adapter link I posted was the first pic I found. My point was about modularity, not the use of that particular connector. I stated that. I didn’t expect EMO would use any particular way to handle supply chain chip problems. My focus was on modularity. KeithL stated how EMO handles it. I’m satisfied with his response. I’ll bet the G4P will have better DTUPC than the G3P. I had a 35 year engineering career, so I come with a few credentials too. I normally don’t flash my credentials at every opportunity. I do post things I know. I know BS when I see and hear it. I know that if you have as much technical experience as you allude to, and you are still playing with magic power cables and silver contacts for dedicated audio power sub-panels, then you are part of the audio religion, and not the engineering. And, you are a promoter as well as a user. What is the DTUPC of your magic power cables? What does your boss think about your real design skills when you play with and promote audio magic? Your actions speak so loudly I can’t hear a word you say about any real engineering. paul says you can 'keep diving' but without him......than answers a post. Me? I'd use sockets for OPAMPS if I were into opamp rolling.......a weird subset of Tube Rolling for the solid state guy with more money and time than the law allows.......I settled on the OPA2134 when I was building headphone amps.... Common' Leon. I said 'after this post'. I did a lot of opamp rolling. My favorite was the OPA671. A single DIP. +/- 10v into a 200 ohm load all day. 50ma output. $10 a piece in quantity of 25 IIRC. Made a custom low level subtractive network crossover with them. Still have the stuffed circuit boards. Boxes of different opamps I will never use again. I used to get some as free samples in my position. |
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Post by cwt on Nov 1, 2022 1:34:41 GMT -5
hoping to reboot processor chat I had a brief (E arc related?) hiccup with my XMC-1 and an Emotiva Amp which caused me to start surfing these pages.. as it turns out unplugging all and rebooting all worked out to resolve the issue. I have not updated my XMC-1 to V3 video and am nearing where I might purchase a 4K television. BASX MC purchase to sort of bridge the gap to GP4 as i have enjoyed the UNBALANCED connections on my XMC-1 and have not made the move to amps with a balanced connection and I don't like the idea of adapters for balanced to unbalanced connections either. Will all the GP4 models continue to eschew unbalanced connections ? It will be many moons before the G4'S turn up [not helped by supply chain problems and the lack of details so far on the new models ] . If you just want the 4k throughput I wouldnt replace a x series pre pro with an entry level BASX and lose dirac ... Bide your time with a 4k splitter like this vvv ; cheap ones may have trouble with high bandwidth  www.ezyhd.com.au/product/hdfury-avrkey-18gbps/ |
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Post by leonski on Nov 1, 2022 16:51:40 GMT -5
Computers and computer based 'stuff' sometimes just gets CONFUSED.
I had a battery device which wasn't right. I pulled the battery and SHORTED the 2 battery terminals together. FIXED.
Even my MAC has some kind of reset for part of the startup system......I'd have to look it up, but it is a VERY infrequent need.
A power line ZAP might do it......or some other interference.....
I lived next or near to a water pumping station. When those HUGE pumps turned on? Lights would DIM. When the pump
shut off? Lights would brighten. VERY bad for everything plugged in....long term....
Single ended to Balanced connectors? Don't bother. You get FULL benefit if the device is internally balanced and you can use
such a connection from start to finish.
For your NEW 4K TV? Please to look at 'em and mess with the settings. All demo sets are setup to 'flamethrower mode' and not
the way you generally run such a set in your house.
My LG OLEG set (B6?) has 18,000 troublefree hours. Picture still impresses. Just NOT in a bright room.......And I have a tiny fluorescent
lamp BEHIND the set to provide some eye relief for after dark viewing...
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Post by KimbaWLion on Nov 4, 2022 21:04:29 GMT -5
Wow! I went through a ton of posts since my last one and I am always amazed at the high level of knowledge presented here. I am an engineer going on 37+ years but it's as a civil engineering field project manager on bridge construction so no designing/or arguing design from me! I know enough to be dangerous so I leave it to others to fight those battles.
I ended up rolling the dice on an RMC. Some will label me an idiot or even a moron and I can live with that. A few here have had very bad experiences and I respect that. I have owned a ton of really good gear over the years and it has almost always worked out, lucky I guess!
I have to mail my old unit in and wait. My experiences with Emotiva have been positive over the years with various products, hence the dice roll. When it gets here I am going to use the heck out of it for 30 days and see how it does. Should it give me a ton of grief, back it will go. Minor quirks I can live with until the upgrade comes out, HOPEFULLY next summer, and not be vaporware as some here think. I just wanted to thank those that replied, and hope everything eventually works out. I will continue to follow this thread and learn as I go along.
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Post by Dreamer on Nov 4, 2022 21:56:08 GMT -5
What are the upgrade dates?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 4, 2022 23:35:20 GMT -5
What are the upgrade dates? ‘Summer of 2023’, there’s a FAQ in the 2nd post of this thread. |
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Post by leonski on Nov 6, 2022 0:23:37 GMT -5
Wow! I went through a ton of posts since my last one and I am always amazed at the high level of knowledge presented here. I am an engineer going on 37+ years but it's as a civil engineering field project manager on bridge construction so no designing/or arguing design from me! I know enough to be dangerous so I leave it to others to fight those battles. I ended up rolling the dice on an RMC. Some will label me an idiot or even a moron and I can live with that. A few here have had very bad experiences and I respect that. I have owned a ton of really good gear over the years and it has almost always worked out, lucky I guess! I have to mail my old unit in and wait. My experiences with Emotiva have been positive over the years with various products, hence the dice roll. When it gets here I am going to use the heck out of it for 30 days and see how it does. Should it give me a ton of grief, back it will go. Minor quirks I can live with until the upgrade comes out, HOPEFULLY next summer, and not be vaporware as some here think. I just wanted to thank those that replied, and hope everything eventually works out. I will continue to follow this thread and learn as I go along. Those folks in MIAMI could have used your help. Bridge over 8 lane highway was cracked on day ONE and fell into the street on day TWO. www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/us/bridge-collapse-florida-international-university-NTSB.htmlJust another reason for me to avoid Florida...... |
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Post by KimbaWLion on Nov 7, 2022 20:22:27 GMT -5
Wow! I went through a ton of posts since my last one and I am always amazed at the high level of knowledge presented here. I am an engineer going on 37+ years but it's as a civil engineering field project manager on bridge construction so no designing/or arguing design from me! I know enough to be dangerous so I leave it to others to fight those battles. I ended up rolling the dice on an RMC. Some will label me an idiot or even a moron and I can live with that. A few here have had very bad experiences and I respect that. I have owned a ton of really good gear over the years and it has almost always worked out, lucky I guess! I have to mail my old unit in and wait. My experiences with Emotiva have been positive over the years with various products, hence the dice roll. When it gets here I am going to use the heck out of it for 30 days and see how it does. Should it give me a ton of grief, back it will go. Minor quirks I can live with until the upgrade comes out, HOPEFULLY next summer, and not be vaporware as some here think. I just wanted to thank those that replied, and hope everything eventually works out. I will continue to follow this thread and learn as I go along. Those folks in MIAMI could have used your help. Bridge over 8 lane highway was cracked on day ONE and fell into the street on day TWO. www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/us/bridge-collapse-florida-international-university-NTSB.htmlJust another reason for me to avoid Florida...... Well I am in charge of a "small" $100 million plus rehab birdge project complete all the possible headaches.... I am just so busy I haven't even packed up my older unit to send it. There is a Youtuber, named Ripewave audio, that JUST got an RMC1, that he bought with his own money, whose trying to get it to work through live streaming. I will follow his adventures!! |
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Post by jim80z on Nov 13, 2022 20:24:16 GMT -5
Might be too much to ask for but could we expect regular (maybe monthly) updates from Emotive re the G4 processors on this thread? Emotiva?
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Post by ekpen on Nov 14, 2022 17:25:26 GMT -5
Hello:
Are we getting new
display on G4 processor or same like the current RMC-1 ?
The RMC -1 screen is dated.
It needs a rework similar to the Anthem.
Also the blue lettering can be user configurable.
Thanks.
George.
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What club? I guess I'm not a member of the 'club'. It's a big 'club', and I'm not in it.
