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Post by Hair Nick on Oct 6, 2022 15:17:44 GMT -5
More info to come.
3.0 still coming.
Dirac will also be in G4 and built into the unit (no more black box).
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Post by zdoggz on Oct 6, 2022 15:19:38 GMT -5
Based on the Emotiva podcast (around the 4:15 mark), the new G4 processors will get a new “main audio board” but the upgraded G3 processes will not. I can’t help but wonder what that will mean and if there will be any differences in audio quality (or potential fw compatibility issues/challenges) 🤔
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Post by Natural1 on Oct 6, 2022 15:27:03 GMT -5
According to the podcast (10:35) the units shipping now will have the updated 3.X firmware installed
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 6, 2022 15:47:29 GMT -5
According to the podcast (10:35) the units shipping now will have the updated 3.X firmware installed IF that is the case, why is it not available to current owners? |
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Post by Natural1 on Oct 6, 2022 15:52:09 GMT -5
Obviously I have no idea. If I had to guess... maybe they are still verifying compatibility with older build components?
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 6, 2022 15:57:10 GMT -5
Obviously I have no idea. If I had to guess... maybe they are still verifying compatibility with older build components? Agreed, which begs the question of, will it ever be compatible? |
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Post by multicore on Oct 6, 2022 16:35:06 GMT -5
Based on the Emotiva podcast (around the 4:15 mark), the new G4 processors will get a new “main audio board” but the upgraded G3 processes will not. I can’t help but wonder what that will mean and if there will be any differences in audio quality (or potential fw compatibility issues) 🤔 Question for Emotiva: will the new main audio board be an optional upgrade For G3? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 6, 2022 16:42:18 GMT -5
Based on the Emotiva podcast (around the 4:15 mark), the new G4 processors will get a new “main audio board” but the upgraded G3 processes will not. I can’t help but wonder what that will mean and if there will be any differences in audio quality (or potential fw compatibility issues) 🤔 Question for Emotiva: will the new main audio board be an optional upgrade For G3? It does sound a little vague, Lonnie seems to say it’s included, Dan says no. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 6, 2022 16:52:59 GMT -5
Leaves an open question as to whether certain expectations will be filled with the g4p's ie are resources being put into the new line at the expense of an multichannel processing channel board that is de rigeur for many rmc owners ? Similarly will the g4ps receive a dts pro firmware upgrade or is this exclusively for those who upgrade their processor ..I suspect certain features will be used as an incentive to upgrade which makes sense as a new system could simplify things like the dirac integration .. I think this means that only the G4P will be capable of more than 16 channels, but Dirac is glaring in its absence. Personally, and this is pure speculation, but I don't think Dirac Live would be excluded from these new G4P's. Maybe Dan and Lonnie don't want to say anything just yet until it's an actual product in the home theater product, but the new upcoming Dirac Spatial Room Correction sounds like it's going to be in beta version by the end of this year. In the video below on the Audioholics YouTube channel, Gene says he will beta testing it on his Storm ISP processor close to Christmas. |
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Post by aswiss on Oct 6, 2022 18:00:51 GMT -5
I'm even more confused now - why can't Emotiva just write everything down and put all information in a newsletter or on their webpage?
It's difficult for non native English speaking people to proper understand, what are the facts and what are again the maybe's?
And why do they always use the "sometime very soon" term?
The last "some time soon" is 1 year back - and it looks, that probably the issues will never be solved on the existing G3P.
and did I get that correct?
everything inside the box needs to be exchanged? the Front Display, Power Supply, Audio Board, HDMI Board? So I have to invest another sum in addition to the 5500 already paid 3 years ago?
I really hope, this can be done by myself, because shipping to US is way too expensive - unless they are paying for (what I don't think).
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Post by aswiss on Oct 6, 2022 18:12:54 GMT -5
OK, I’ll be the first to say what everyone is thinking - Which will come first, the new generation or the V3 firmware? I think the firmware will be released first. Probably a bandaid fix, then later a better fix. I think they're pretty close with the firmware, but something must be buggy enough to be a concern, and my guess is that they're trying to get the pops to go away because that's what is mentioned the most in complaints. You see - and remember my posts some months ago - in the end, they bring out something new, and never get the existing fixed? Here we go - I'm too pretty sure its the clicks - and then we will be forced to upgrade (later in 2023? really? again not specific). Or its the HDMI CEC Bullshit, with most of the people even don't use in a home cinema.
They'd better added a function: deactivate HDMI ARC.
And why can Emotiva not do a proper summary of what they just said in the Podcast?
My process to look for something new is about to start.
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Post by ttocs on Oct 6, 2022 18:41:45 GMT -5
Or its the HDMI CEC B***S***, with most of the people even don't use in a home cinema.
They'd better added a function: deactivate HDMI ARC.
And why can Emotiva not do a proper summary of what they just said in the Podcast?
My process to look for something new is about to start.
Re CEC, I use CEC-Less Adapters which remove the pin for CEC so it has no chance of working. You already have the ability to "deactivate" HDMI ARC by not selecting that input. On our processors, HDMI ARC is an Input, just like any other input you can select, or not select. I agree, they should summarize in print. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 6, 2022 19:22:39 GMT -5
I think this means that only the G4P will be capable of more than 16 channels, but Dirac is glaring in its absence. Maybe Dan and Lonnie don't want to say anything just yet until it's an actual product in the home theater product, but the new upcoming Dirac Spatial Room Correction sounds like it's going to be in beta version by the end of this year. In the video below on the Audioholics YouTube channel, Gene says he will beta testing it on his Storm ISP processor close to Christmas. Hair Nick said as much above when he posted the podcast, and that the EDNIB will be gone — so we can retire an acronym and get a Raspberry Pi out of the deal. |
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Post by jim80z on Oct 6, 2022 20:39:10 GMT -5
The new product sounds great...just like the last generation sounded. It has features that Emotiva told us we didn't need and supports things that the last generation was built to support. Sorry for sounding jaded, but this announcement is a slap in the face to the people who fell for this marketing BS the last time. 10x processing power, the RMC platform was supposed to be built on a platform that could handle future needs. Until recently there was talk of an updated HDMI board to support 2.1 and 8K..now that is not possible??? I get it you need to release new product, but the current flagship product is still half baked. The excuse we heard was that you needed to prioritize development work..well, I guess we know where it was allocated, on new, not current stuff. In my case, the only way to get a functional product was purchasing an expensive HDMI switch. I cannot fork over a large chunk of cash again on a bet that it "might" be better and that it will work out of the box....and if it doesn't work, it will be fixed quickly. As I said in a previous post, I will be sitting on my hands, waiting and watching. If i remember correctly, The RMC-1 was also supposed to have enough power to get Dirac at 192/24 but sadly that wasn't the case. Thats correct and then some......but throughput and memory became an issue. Integrating the DIRAC code into the chipset Emo chose was another challenge etc etc etc. |
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Post by jjkessler on Oct 6, 2022 20:42:57 GMT -5
It’s all in the details for me in how much more the upgrade From G3 to G4 will cost. I’m interested if it works well and it’s reasonable
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Post by msimanyi on Oct 6, 2022 22:01:01 GMT -5
I’m excited about the G4 products, especially if sound quality improves on my RMC-1. I only hope they can work something out to expedite the upgrade process so I don’t lose use of my system for multiple weeks.
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 6, 2022 23:25:04 GMT -5
Y’all,
The RMC-1 was close for almost two years before it was released. Realistically Christmas 2023 is about as soon as I think we will see the G4 at retail. Hopefully I’m wrong.
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Post by cwt on Oct 7, 2022 1:11:27 GMT -5
Based on the Emotiva podcast (around the 4:15 mark), the new G4 processors will get a new “main audio board” but the upgraded G3 processes will not. I can’t help but wonder what that will mean and if there will be any differences in audio quality (or potential fw compatibility issues) 🤔 Question for Emotiva: will the new main audio board be an optional upgrade For G3? This is where its important to separate the digital and analogue circuitry I feel . The digital is all on plug in pcbs and will be upgraded for those who upgrade their g3's to g4 status . The main board will be the analogue circuitry after the DACS so cant be swapped out .. It will be interesting to compare the original g3 sound signature with the new g4's ' Another incentive to upgrade will be the sound signature  Dirac is a moving target with new things like Spatial sound correction coming so makes sense not to list the nitty gritty of exactly what form it takes [ maybe the new main board will have 4 individual lfe pre outs instead of 3 to match the new Denon Marantz? which syncs with this new spatial correction ] pure speculation here.. What isnt a surprise is the new circuitry needed to support the much higher bandwidths of 4k/120 and 8k/60 so ruling out the current g3's without getting a full upgrade . Weve come a long way from the xmc1's adc video chipset. I hope the new hdmi board supports ALLM ;VRR etc for those with an x box or ps5.. |
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Post by aswiss on Oct 7, 2022 3:13:40 GMT -5
Or its the HDMI CEC B***S***, with most of the people even don't use in a home cinema.
They'd better added a function: deactivate HDMI ARC.
And why can Emotiva not do a proper summary of what they just said in the Podcast?
My process to look for something new is about to start.
Re CEC, I use CEC-Less Adapters which remove the pin for CEC so it has no chance of working. You already have the ability to "deactivate" HDMI ARC by not selecting that input. On our processors, HDMI ARC is an Input, just like any other input you can select, or not select. I agree, they should summarize in print. Ah, don't get me wrong - I'm not using any of these HDMI function - disabled on all devices. I use the Harmony Remote for everything.
But if the clicks/pops had something to do with the ARC feature on HDMI - then better have an onboard feature... that's my thinking.
Was the release date for the "new" stuff summer 2023? maybe I have to rehear the podcast.
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Post by ttocs on Oct 7, 2022 7:42:35 GMT -5
Was the release date for the "new" stuff summer 2023? maybe I have to rehear the podcast. Yes, that's when they said it would be. Let's see, Summer ends 11-1/2 months from now, . . . . |
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