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Post by dreams on Nov 22, 2022 14:07:17 GMT -5
Anyone have experience using an rmc-1 with klipsch speakers? I would like to stream tidal using direct mode but it sounds painfully bright and very thin,no bass,no midrange,just ear piercing highs.i usually switch to all stereo mode but then I lose detail and it’s half as loud. My small 13’x15’ room has a dozen monster bass traps and carpet but still too bright.Tone control is way down at -8. Blu ray concerts are also very detailed but too harsh in direct mode.
Anything I can try without buying speakers?
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Post by geebo on Nov 22, 2022 14:25:07 GMT -5
Anyone have experience using an rmc-1 with klipsch speakers? I would like to stream tidal using direct mode but it sounds painfully bright and very thin,no bass,no midrange,just ear piercing highs.i usually switch to all stereo mode but then I lose detail and it’s half as loud. My small 13’x15’ room has a dozen monster bass traps and carpet but still too bright.Tone control is way down at -8. Blu ray concerts are also very detailed but too harsh in direct mode. Anything I can try without buying speakers? Does regular Stereo mode and Reference mode give the same results as Direct? |
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Post by dreams on Nov 22, 2022 14:48:05 GMT -5
Yes,reference doesn’t allow subs and stereo just sounds bad
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Post by knucklehead on Nov 22, 2022 15:00:44 GMT -5
If you have the speaker polarity mixed up what you are describing is exactly how it will sound. The RMC should give you a warning that speaker polarity is crossed on one or more speakers. I know that Audyssey (Onkyo Marantz & Denon) tests for this and will you know. I've inadvertently done that.
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Post by geebo on Nov 22, 2022 15:16:11 GMT -5
Yes,reference doesn’t allow subs and stereo just sounds bad I wasn't suggesting you use those other modes but wondering if you get the brightness you describe with Direct? |
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Post by dreams on Nov 22, 2022 15:21:55 GMT -5
If you have the speaker polarity mixed up what you are describing is exactly how it will sound. The RMC should give you a warning that speaker polarity is crossed on one or more speakers. I know that Audyssey (Onkyo Marantz & Denon) tests for this and will you know. I've inadvertently done that. I just checked polarity,I was hoping it was wrong but it was all good |
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Post by dreams on Nov 22, 2022 15:23:15 GMT -5
Yes,reference doesn’t allow subs and stereo just sounds bad I wasn't suggesting you use those other modes but wondering if you get the brightness you describe with Direct? They’re not quite as bright but like all stereo I lose some detail |
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Post by geebo on Nov 22, 2022 15:30:03 GMT -5
I wasn't suggesting you use those other modes but wondering if you get the brightness you describe with Direct? They’re not quite as bright but like all stereo I lose some detail I don't think it's your speakers. Direct and Reference should pretty much the in the upper frequencies. Have you tried a complete rear switch power down with the RMC? And what firmware are you on? |
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Post by dreams on Nov 22, 2022 15:39:57 GMT -5
They’re not quite as bright but like all stereo I lose some detail I don't think it's your speakers. Direct and Reference should pretty much the in the upper frequencies. Have you tried a complete rear switch power down with the RMC? And what firmware are you on? I power it off frequently because it doesn’t like to switch inputs.I don’t have the very latest firmware update but the one just before. I’m not sure what you meant in your last comment,I think there’s a word missing.I think you’re saying direct mode boosts highs? |
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Post by geebo on Nov 22, 2022 16:33:14 GMT -5
I don't think it's your speakers. Direct and Reference should pretty much the in the upper frequencies. Have you tried a complete rear switch power down with the RMC? And what firmware are you on? I power it off frequently because it doesn’t like to switch inputs.I don’t have the very latest firmware update but the one just before. I’m not sure what you meant in your last comment,I think there’s a word missing.I think you’re saying direct mode boosts highs? Direct and Reference modes should sound pretty much the same in the high frequency range. If Direct is noticeably brighter than Reference mode then that would be a problem and not due to speakers. Direct is only supposed to allow the use of a subwoofer with bass management but doesn't process what goes to the main speakers so no boosting of the highs should occur. At least it's not supposed to. I would be inclined to save settings with a factory reset to defaults followed by a settings restore. |
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Post by cwmcobra on Nov 22, 2022 17:17:00 GMT -5
Which Klipsch speakers do you have? I have a set of Heritage speakers in my theater and they sound really good. For movies and music. I haven't tried direct or reference stereo since updating the firmware. I'll give a few discs a spin and report back.
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Post by cwmcobra on Nov 22, 2022 23:08:31 GMT -5
I listened to several CDs tonight in all of the surround modes. All sounded great to me. The only one that was at a somewhat reduced volume was All Stereo. Also listened to a couple of SACDs and they were yummy. No shrillness or harshness and full dynamic range from treble to midrange to bass. I suspect a setting somewhere is mucking up the works. Could the streamer be the problem? I don't stream so can't test that.
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Post by dreams on Nov 23, 2022 5:03:45 GMT -5
I listened to several CDs tonight in all of the surround modes. All sounded great to me. The only one that was at a somewhat reduced volume was All Stereo. Also listened to a couple of SACDs and they were yummy. No shrillness or harshness and full dynamic range from treble to midrange to bass. I suspect a setting somewhere is mucking up the works. Could the streamer be the problem? I don't stream so can't test that. I hope it’s just a setting somewhere.I don’t think the streamer matters too much if I’m using the dacs in rmc but I could be wrong. I have the klipsch rf83 for mains which are not nearly as good as your La Scalas |
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Post by swedishcaveman on Nov 23, 2022 5:38:16 GMT -5
I have nearly the same speakers as you have. The only difference are RF-63 in place of your RF-83. I have XMC-2 and a 7 channel Sherbourne amp. My room are a concrete basement with treated ceiling and large carpet on the floor and diffusing panels on the side walls catching the first reflection. It took a while to get the Dirac filters correct. I had the problem with the skew sound stage. But thanks to all the knowledge at this forum I finally made it. The sound are not bright if the recording are not. Same sound signature on digital and analog inputs and with Dirac and with out. Metallica Masters of puppets on vinyl at high levels are like an chain saw, but the Metallica black album are sublime.
I would clear all settings and start all over again. Treat the room if needed. Start with basic level and distance settings all filters unchanged. My set up sounded very good before Dirac and it got better.I love Klipsch for my heavy metal music taste.
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Post by KeithL on Nov 23, 2022 16:23:49 GMT -5
I'm going to add my two cents here....
First, I'm going to add a bit of a dissenting opinion about the speakers.
I've always found Klipsch speakers to be very... forward... and sometimes more than a bit harsh.
This varies widely between models... and I am not familiar with those models in specific.
This may also be more or less noticeable depending on the room you put them in, and many folks seem to like it, but you may need to consider it.
So, if your room is "live", then consider adding some room treatment (preferably padding and absorbers rather than diffusers) and see if that helps.
Second, if you're using a DIGITAL output from the streamer, AND a lossless source streaming service, then you are using the DACs in the RMC-1.
However, obviously, if you're using an ANALOG output from the streamer, then you would be going through the DACs in the streamer (and, unless you're using Reference Stereo, also the A/D and the DACs in the RMC-1).
And, in addition to that, if you're using Tidal, then the music you're listening to has been MQA processed (which does alter the way it sounds).
And, of course, if you're streaming from any other service, which doesn't provide lossless streaming, then that will absolutely have an effect on the sound.
And, in addition to all that, different streamers DO have different capabilities, and different options, and so may not always deliver the exact same output...
(For example, and to its benefit in this case, the BlueSound Node is one of the few that is claimed to support Amazon Music in an actual bit-perfect mode.)
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