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Post by monkumonku on Aug 23, 2024 23:05:24 GMT -5
Take a look at this video in which the reviewer compares the stock speaker with a GR-Research modded one.
Can you tell which one is which? Do you hear the differences?
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Post by geebo on Aug 23, 2024 23:49:50 GMT -5
Nope.
Now my wife came in from the laundry room asking why those two clips sounded so different from one another. And I was playing them with earbuds.
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Post by PaulBe on Aug 24, 2024 9:35:13 GMT -5
Take a look at this video in which the reviewer compares the stock speaker with a GR-Research modded one. Can you tell which one is which? Do you hear the differences? In the first set of examples, all the B clips sounded better to me. My impression was variable for the second set of clips using a different set of speakers. Parts make a difference. Crossover design, among other things, can obscure or accentuate parts differences. We have to remember that speaker output is an analogy of the source. Frequency response at MLP rules. The best crossover parts are No crossover parts. We may or may not like the results. |
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 24, 2024 10:21:35 GMT -5
Take a look at this video in which the reviewer compares the stock speaker with a GR-Research modded one. Can you tell which one is which? Do you hear the differences? In the first set of examples, all the B clips sounded better to me. My impression was variable for the second set of clips using a different set of speakers. Parts make a difference. Crossover design, among other things, can obscure or accentuate parts differences. We have to remember that speaker output is an analogy of the source. Frequency response at MLP rules. The best crossover parts are No crossover parts. We may or may not like the results. Thanks for your impressions. What did you use to listen to the video? I didn't hear any differences. The reviewer said the difference was so apparent he could even hear it through his laptop speakers. I used my Monsoon desktop planar speakers and both A and B for both speakers sounded the same to my old ears. |
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Post by PaulBe on Aug 24, 2024 10:32:15 GMT -5
In the first set of examples, all the B clips sounded better to me. My impression was variable for the second set of clips using a different set of speakers. Parts make a difference. Crossover design, among other things, can obscure or accentuate parts differences. We have to remember that speaker output is an analogy of the source. Frequency response at MLP rules. The best crossover parts are No crossover parts. We may or may not like the results. Thanks for your impressions. What did you use to listen to the video? I didn't hear any differences. The reviewer said the difference was so apparent he could even hear it through his laptop speakers. I used my Monsoon desktop planar speakers and both A and B for both speakers sounded the same to my old ears. Reproduction chain - Computer to Emotiva XDA-3 through USB. Computer set to 32bit 48K output. XDA-3 balanced analog out to balanced analog in of Focal Professional CMS - 65, bi-amped, nearfield monitors. My ears are old. The differences were apparent but subtle to my ears. Perhaps the reviewer heard changes that were 'so apparent' on his laptop speakers because the predominant changes were within the limited frequency range of the laptop speakers - like listening to a set of earbuds from a distance. |
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Post by mauriceminor on Aug 24, 2024 10:52:58 GMT -5
Listened on two systems, one with Linkwitz LXMini, the other with A/D/S L1290 speakers
HP and Lenovo computers
Emotiva and MiniDSP DACS
Emotiva amplifiers
Ears are 77+ years of age
Linkwitz: sounded the same
A/D/S: sounded the same
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 24, 2024 11:08:51 GMT -5
Thanks for your impressions. What did you use to listen to the video? I didn't hear any differences. The reviewer said the difference was so apparent he could even hear it through his laptop speakers. I used my Monsoon desktop planar speakers and both A and B for both speakers sounded the same to my old ears. Reproduction chain - Computer to Emotiva XDA-3 through USB. Computer set to 32bit 48K output. XDA-3 balanced analog out to balanced analog in of Focal Professional CMS - 65, bi-amped, nearfield monitors. My ears are old - 72+ years. The differences were apparent but subtle to my ears. Perhaps the reviewer heard changes that were 'so apparent' on his laptop speakers because the predominant changes were in the limited frequency range of the laptop speakers. Well that could be, but I played it over and over and did not hear anything that I could reliably use to distinguish one sample from the other in a blind test. The way this guy talked made it sound like you'd have to be deaf not to hear an obvious difference. My personal feeling is Danny is a snake oil salesman. But if you heard a difference I'm not going to argue with you. Maybe my speakers are not "resolving" enough. I think I'll try with some headphones. |
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Post by PaulBe on Aug 24, 2024 11:32:34 GMT -5
Reproduction chain - Computer to Emotiva XDA-3 through USB. Computer set to 32bit 48K output. XDA-3 balanced analog out to balanced analog in of Focal Professional CMS - 65, bi-amped, nearfield monitors. My ears are old - 72+ years. The differences were apparent but subtle to my ears. Perhaps the reviewer heard changes that were 'so apparent' on his laptop speakers because the predominant changes were in the limited frequency range of the laptop speakers. Well that could be, but I played it over and over and did not hear anything that I could reliably use to distinguish one sample from the other in a blind test. The way this guy talked made it sound like you'd have to be deaf not to hear an obvious difference. My personal feeling is Danny is a snake oil salesman. But if you heard a difference I'm not going to argue with you. Maybe my speakers are not "resolving" enough. I think I'll try with some headphones. We don’t all care about the same things in sound reproduction. I don’t know anything about Danny. I do know it is easy to turn anecdotal information into an all-encompassing hypothesis, or even a Proof. Internet ‘influencers’ excel at this. Some internet followers excel at being ‘influenced’ – Not You… I repeat - Perhaps the reviewer heard changes that were 'so apparent' on his laptop speakers because the predominant changes were in the limited frequency range of the laptop speakers. If the reviewer understands this, I pick ‘snake oil salesman’. *** My conclusions were not consistent, from example to example, with Danny's second set of speakers and examples *** |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Aug 24, 2024 12:38:10 GMT -5
On whe Wharfdales I could hear a slight difference, but couldn't decide which I enjoyed more. I could not hear any difference on the second set of speakers.
Just using my gaming headset on my desktop.
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 29, 2024 12:03:26 GMT -5
…… A meaningless exercise unless you’re “sit down live” in the room.
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Post by bitsandbytes on Sept 2, 2024 5:00:35 GMT -5
Listened to the YouTube video in my office on my Logitech Z-5500 system (running in 2.1 mode) which is connected via an Audioquest Cinnamon Optical cable from my PowerSpec Windows 10 tower computer.
Could here a difference in every clip. The modified versions seemed better to my 69 year old ears - with one exception. The second clip on the modified Wharfdales seemed to be muddied with a lower volume and less macro dynamics than the stock speakers. The reviewer stated he heard buzzing in this sample (which I could not hear on my desktop equipment). He could not correct it.
Otherwise, the improvement on the Wharfdales seemed to be a little more pronounced than on the Behringers.
Have no conclusions to draw from this listening test. It did not make me want to look up either of these speakers - nor to check out the costs of these modifications. Rather says it all...
Walt
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Post by audiobill on Sept 2, 2024 5:23:26 GMT -5
My wife was outside, mowing the lawn with headphones, and ran in to ask what sounded different on my computer speakers,,,,,,
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 2, 2024 8:21:08 GMT -5
Some crossover mods can be startling (for good or bad), but often capacitor changes & resistor improvements in loudspeaker crossovers are not particularly audible. My experience is that the earlier in the signal chain that improvements occur, the more likely they are to be audible. For example, the capacitors I once switched out in a phono RIAA equalization circuit of a preamp were clearly audible.
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Post by garbulky on Sept 3, 2024 4:18:31 GMT -5
I don't know which was which but A sounded a bit more recessed in the mid range for the soundstage. ... B was more prominent in the mid-range and sounded more focused but didn't sound as natural. I would take A. Not a huge difference.
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Post by KeithL on Sept 3, 2024 11:27:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry - but I'm going to be pedantic here.
I haven't listened to them - and I'm not going to.
In fact I DO NOT EVER LISTEN TO COMPARISONS OF SOUND QUALITY ON YOUTUBE.
There are just too many unknowns and variables...
0. UNKNOWN SIGNAL CHAIN AND SOURCE MATERIAL TO BEGIN WITH
1. Unknown microphone used to make the recording (microphones vary about as much as speakers)
2. Unknown microphone preamp (those vary too)
3. Unknown ADC (those vary about as much as DAcs do)
4. Unknown audio processing (before audio was submitted to Youtube)
5. Unknown audio processing (AFTER audio was received by Youtube)
6. Unknown audio processing (in MacOS, or Windows, or your browser, or who knows what)
7. Your equipment (which may or may not mask or exaggerate differences)
And ALL THAT is assuming that there is no deliberate "hanky panky" on the part of the source...
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Post by KeithL on Sept 3, 2024 11:30:23 GMT -5
There are a lot of reasons why different capacitors might sound different in a phono preamp... And a few reasons why capacitors might sound different in a speaker crossover... But those are all dwarfed by the inaccuracies and colorations that are part and parcel of the audio you get with Youtube videos... Some crossover mods can be startling (for good or bad), but often capacitor changes & resistor improvements in loudspeaker crossovers are not particularly audible. My experience is that the earlier in the signal chain that improvements occur, the more likely they are to be audible. For example, the capacitors I once switched out in a phono RIAA equalization circuit of a preamp were clearly audible. |
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