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Post by Hair Nick on Oct 17, 2024 11:54:35 GMT -5
Hey Everyone,
Looking to get some more insight here. If we are looking to do an new "entry level" processor and receiver. What do you feel are the realistic needs of most people. I have added a bunch of different items on the poll and we are trying to see what you guys feel the important features would be.
This would be roughly a $699ish processor and a $999-$1399 receiver that would come in under the performance level of the BasX MC1/MR1/MR1L.
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 18, 2024 14:27:51 GMT -5
Hey Everyone, Looking to get some more insight here. If we are looking to do a new "entry level" processor and receiver. What do you feel are the realistic needs of most people. I have added a bunch of different items on the poll and we are trying to see what you guys feel the important features would be. This would be roughly a $699ish processor and a $999-$1399 receiver that would come in under the performance level of the BasX MC1/MR1/MR1L. Realistic?……… Then 5.1 in affordable form should be on the table. Most normal people living every day lives and want some nice entertainment in the evening want that the rest of it belongs to the Geek Squad |
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Post by marcl on Oct 18, 2024 14:40:39 GMT -5
Hey Everyone, Looking to get some more insight here. If we are looking to do a new "entry level" processor and receiver. What do you feel are the realistic needs of most people. I have added a bunch of different items on the poll and we are trying to see what you guys feel the important features would be. This would be roughly a $699ish processor and a $999-$1399 receiver that would come in under the performance level of the BasX MC1/MR1/MR1L. Realistic?……… Then 5.1 in affordable form should be on the table. Most normal people living every day lives and want some nice entertainment in the evening want that the rest of it belongs to the Geek Squad Exactly! I was looking for 5.1. There are LOTS of people who never in a million years will ever do Atmos. They don't want to do it and they don't want to pay for it ... most people don't even get what it is. There basically is no 7.1 in nature ... it's either 5.1 movies or 5.1 music. |
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Post by Hair Nick on Oct 18, 2024 15:51:39 GMT -5
This is why 7 channel is our minimum we would want to go so guys could do 5.1, 7.1 or 5.1.2 at a minimum.
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Post by marcl on Oct 18, 2024 16:18:03 GMT -5
This is why 7 channel is our minimum we would want to go so guys could do 5.1, 7.1 or 5.1.2 at a minimum. But the thing is, if you don’t do Atmos there is no reason to do more than 5.1. I think the point is that when you get under $1000 you should forget Atmos and put the money in sound quality or some other useful feature. P.S. 5+1+2=8 😁 |
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Post by Hair Nick on Oct 18, 2024 16:30:09 GMT -5
This is why 7 channel is our minimum we would want to go so guys could do 5.1, 7.1 or 5.1.2 at a minimum. But the thing is, if you don’t do Atmos there is no reason to do more than 5.1. I think the point is that when you get under $1000 you should forget Atmos and put the money in sound quality or some other useful feature. P.S. 5+1+2=8 😁 Its DOA without Atmos being an option in the box these days. Haha the sub channel is a given. Just talking about the main channels. |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 18, 2024 17:13:11 GMT -5
This is why 7 channel is our minimum we would want to go so guys could do 5.1, 7.1 or 5.1.2 at a minimum. ^^^^^ This is the ticket for a basic HT system. The three choices give more than enough room for growth and to play with options. A second Sub channel would be helpful if it fits your price point. A second sub output for 5.2.2(first choice), or 7.2, would satisfy virtually all small to medium room requirements. I can understand why a box without ATMOS(heights) is DOA. After all, we have been indoctrinated into thinking we are missing so much without it. It can be a nice addition with the right recordings. However, a .2 Sub config is more functional than heights in a basic system - perhaps in any system. The Oppenheimer 4K Blu-ray done in DTS-HD 5.1 is a lot of fun. No back channels. No Heights. Nothing is missing. I do 7.1(2).2 with an RMC-1L. It is rarely more useful than 5.2.2. |
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Post by markc on Oct 19, 2024 3:46:56 GMT -5
There basically is no 7.1 in nature ... it's either 5.1 movies or 5.1 music. I suspect you don't know anyone with a PS5 do you! It's not all about Netflix and optical disks. Live immersive audio that is reacting in real time to your actions played out on screen is as immersive as audio presentations get. We all like those jump-scares coming from somewhere in the soundstage but when the Zombie is behind you and it is "actually" behind you then it is a whole other level. It may not be your thing, but don't discount it. 5.1 cannot hope to live up to 7.1 in this setting because it just isn't possible with a virtualised rear channel. ps Your statement about what sound immersions exists in nature was a little naïve: all-around sound is ubiquitous in nature, it is the mono, stereo, 5.1 and Bed/Height/object based audio etc that are not present. The higher numbers simply get closer to tricking our brains into perceiving something approaching what genuinely surrounds us every day. Yes our ear pinnae face forwards, but we absolutely can accurately localise sounds from behind us and the only audio format to replicate that so far is 7.x.x. |
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Post by marcl on Oct 19, 2024 6:03:24 GMT -5
There basically is no 7.1 in nature ... it's either 5.1 movies or 5.1 music. I suspect you don't know anyone with a PS5 do you! It's not all about Netflix and optical disks. Live immersive audio that is reacting in real time to your actions played out on screen is as immersive as audio presentations get. We all like those jump-scares coming from somewhere in the soundstage but when the Zombie is behind you and it is "actually" behind you then it is a whole other level. It may not be your thing, but don't discount it. 5.1 cannot hope to live up to 7.1 in this setting because it just isn't possible with a virtualised rear channel. ps Your statement about what sound immersions exists in nature was a little naïve: all-around sound is ubiquitous in nature, it is the mono, stereo, 5.1 and Bed/Height/object based audio etc that are not present. The higher numbers simply get closer to tricking our brains into perceiving something approaching what genuinely surrounds us every day. Yes our ear pinnae face forwards, but we absolutely can accurately localise sounds from behind us and the only audio format to replicate that so far is 7.x.x. By "nature" I meant ... in the marketplace, produced by music and movie and TV studios, available for us to purchase or to stream. I was not referring to sound in the natural world ... where obviously channels do not exist at all. Sorry for the confusion. Okay gaming is what you're talking about. I don't know anything about gaming. And since the consoles and games support sound in 7.1, there could be a difference in the experience if the player is sitting in the hot seat of a 7.1 vs 5.1 speaker setup. Okay. Then Emotiva would have to look at the marketplace of gamers who use a physical multichannel sound system, and answer the question of whether it's worth including two more channels in an entry level processor and receiver due to this segment gaming market. |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 19, 2024 7:29:33 GMT -5
There basically is no 7.1 in nature ... it's either 5.1 movies or 5.1 music. I suspect you don't know anyone with a PS5 do you! It's not all about Netflix and optical disks. Live immersive audio that is reacting in real time to your actions played out on screen is as immersive as audio presentations get. We all like those jump-scares coming from somewhere in the soundstage but when the Zombie is behind you and it is "actually" behind you then it is a whole other level. It may not be your thing, but don't discount it. 5.1 cannot hope to live up to 7.1 in this setting because it just isn't possible with a virtualised rear channel. ps Your statement about what sound immersions exists in nature was a little naïve: all-around sound is ubiquitous in nature, it is the mono, stereo, 5.1 and Bed/Height/object based audio etc that are not present. The higher numbers simply get closer to tricking our brains into perceiving something approaching what genuinely surrounds us every day. Yes our ear pinnae face forwards, but we absolutely can accurately localise sounds from behind us and the only audio format to replicate that so far is 7.x.x. Perhaps a question about gaming should be part of the questionnaire. Is 7.1 gaming part of 'Realistic Surround Sound Needs' in an entry level processor/receiver? |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 19, 2024 7:45:40 GMT -5
When I got my PS5 last year I had to connect directly to the tv for best frame rate and latency. This was confirmed by searching how others do it.
I found there are a lot of cheap gamers out there who want ATMOS, but connect to the tv first and eARC out from there to a cheap receiver for 5.2.4, all because of best frame rate and lowest latency.
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 19, 2024 9:17:20 GMT -5
As long as Atmos cannot come off the table at this price point…… The folks at Emotiva know exactly what to do…… Without a questionnaire for us lol….. this is an old story actually
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Post by geebo on Oct 19, 2024 9:43:56 GMT -5
When I got my PS5 last year I had to connect directly to the tv for best frame rate and latency. This was confirmed by searching how others do it. I found there are a lot of cheap gamers out there who want ATMOS, but connect to the tv first and eARC out from there to a cheap receiver for 5.2.4, all because of best frame rate and lowest latency. I also use a direct HDMI connection to the TV for my XBox with eARC supplying the sound to my RMC. And eARC basically adds more inputs for the processor if needed. |
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 19, 2024 10:04:46 GMT -5
When I got my PS5 last year I had to connect directly to the tv for best frame rate and latency. This was confirmed by searching how others do it. I found there are a lot of cheap gamers out there who want ATMOS, but connect to the tv first and eARC out from there to a cheap receiver for 5.2.4, all because of best frame rate and lowest latency. I also use a direct HDMI connection to the TV for my XBox with eARC supplying the sound to my RMC. And eARC basically adds more inputs for the processor if needed. This topic is a bore…… But that being said, I like your new avatar! Every Halloween 👻 we watch Vincent Price shine in the house on haunted Hill. Will be watching any day now along with our Blu-ray copy of 1978 Halloween with Jamie Lee Curtis. |
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 19, 2024 13:27:20 GMT -5
The one thing I wish any of these “budget” Emotiva AVRs had was some sort of built in Spotify Connect or Air Play. There are times where I just want to have some background music play in the living room while I’m doing other things, and yes I know I can buy a streaming box, but there is something so simple about just using Spotify connect on my phone and the music is instantly playing on my Marantz AVR.
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Post by Hair Nick on Oct 23, 2024 15:26:04 GMT -5
The one thing I wish any of these “budget” Emotiva AVRs had was some sort of built in Spotify Connect or Air Play. There are times where I just want to have some background music play in the living room while I’m doing other things, and yes I know I can buy a streaming box, but there is something so simple about just using Spotify connect on my phone and the music is instantly playing on my Marantz AVR. This is also where something cheap like an early gen Echo Dot is awesome as a voice controlled source with the 3.5mm jack. |
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 23, 2024 17:11:10 GMT -5
The one thing I wish any of these “budget” Emotiva AVRs had was some sort of built in Spotify Connect or Air Play. There are times where I just want to have some background music play in the living room while I’m doing other things, and yes I know I can buy a streaming box, but there is something so simple about just using Spotify connect on my phone and the music is instantly playing on my Marantz AVR. This is also where something cheap like an early gen Echo Dot is awesome as a voice controlled source with the 3.5mm jack. Yeah, I mean there are for sure work arounds, I just speaking personally I would have purchased a MR-1 if it had Spotify connect or airplay built into it, the fact that I would have to use an external device ultimately led me to not purchase it and to go a different direction. I’m not trying to be critical at all, just trying to give honest feedback on what led me to a specific purchase decision, and I may be a very small minority of customers. |
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Post by hsamwel on Nov 25, 2024 18:59:27 GMT -5
IMO..
5.2.2, a 7 channel with two independant subwoofer outputs.
About 65-75W/channel with all channels driven, maybe with a little more power for LCR.
Atmos and DTS:X of course.
HDMI 2.1, with gaming support. Many gamers use the cheaper recievers.
They want support for 4k120p, VRR and the rest of the ”gaming” features.
No need for Dirac, but atleast some simple form of PEQ for the bass.
eARC is important.
Small size chassie, atleast as small as can be made is a plus.
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