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Post by jamrock on Jul 1, 2011 18:01:49 GMT -5
How intense is the information produced by your surround channels that require that much power to drive those speakers, especially in a system that has a subwoofer that eliminates the need for main channels to require a lot of power? Even if you are using 5 or 7 full range speakers, unless you are using them in an auditorium, you would not need that much power.
Personally, I prefer to use a power amplifier that is rated at 150% of the rated power limit of my speakers, so that I know that my power amp can easily drive the speakers beyond their limit. 400 wpc for a 2-channel or mono amplifier is great. 400 wpc x 7 for home theater is ridiculously excessive.
However, saying all that, there are those who feel much better with excessive power, and I respect their choice. I am addicted to bass and will soon have 4 x 12" subs in my theater. My house has a lot of glass, so I'm going to restrain myself. ;D
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Post by ultramic on Jul 1, 2011 18:04:16 GMT -5
They should have just made an XPA-7 and called it a day. None of this XPR series crap thats been floating around for so long now. They already had the UPA-7 design to build off and evolve into an XPA series - it shouldnt have taken them 2+ years to do that !
Also, trying to release 30+ products is just a recipe for disaster IMHO, not even the bigger manufacturers can do this let alone a smaller operations like Emotiva.
The issue is you spread your resources to thinly across any product line and the result is you have all these delays that we have been discussing for the past couple of years now. For example, they already had a good base to build off with the USP-1 so the XSP-1 should have been an evolution from that - yet here we are still waiting for this product which realistically might be next year. In the mean time, they are losing customers who cant be bothered waiting any longer and look for alternatives.
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Post by selkec on Jul 1, 2011 20:45:18 GMT -5
I agree. Really how often will a surround speaker require 400 watts. I bet never. Probably not even close. Now an xpa-7 would have been a great idea. just my .02
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Post by sharkman on Jul 1, 2011 23:48:54 GMT -5
The only reason I read this thread is to look for news. Seriously, if you're just in here to say "buy something else" or "400w is too much power" or just harp on the delays, then go somewhere else. Yes, I want the XPR-7 to come out, but I'm not going to start throwing sand at Emotiva and bashing both the company and the products. (ausman) Seriously, go somewhere else if you want to make accusations and tell people what products they should or shouldn't need/want/buy. I'm frustrated by the delays, but this thread just keeps getting more and more negative. The negativity does NOTHING productive. If you don't want an XPR-7, again....... go away. Seriously, if you don't care for the comments, maybe you should go away. Freedom of speech shouldn't be curtailed just because some don't want negative comments. |
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Post by ultramic on Jul 2, 2011 0:52:53 GMT -5
The only reason I read this thread is to look for news. Seriously, if you're just in here to say "buy something else" or "400w is too much power" or just harp on the delays, then go somewhere else. Yes, I want the XPR-7 to come out, but I'm not going to start throwing sand at Emotiva and bashing both the company and the products. (ausman) Seriously, go somewhere else if you want to make accusations and tell people what products they should or shouldn't need/want/buy. I'm frustrated by the delays, but this thread just keeps getting more and more negative. The negativity does NOTHING productive. If you don't want an XPR-7, again....... go away. Did it ever occur to you the YOU may be the one thats coming to the wrong place ? Emotiva have more offical channels to tell people when a product is ACTUALLY RELEASED than bury it in the end of a 29 page post. If you get so easily offended by people posting their opinions maybe you shouldnt be looking here. |
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Post by jamrock on Jul 2, 2011 10:15:28 GMT -5
We might all can't agree. But, we must make a better effort to facilitate each others (differing)points of view. I speak to myself as well. This is a topic worthy of discussion and I don't want to see this thread get locked.
The XPR-7 will be an overkill in most applications. However, there are those audiophiles who can't have too much power. And that is a legitimate desire in audio. You can't badmouth power. What kind of an audiophile are you, whimpy? It is just like having 2 subs to each main. Give me the money, the space and a new wife and Ill do it. I can't have too much bass. Period!
More seriously, getting a XPR-7 will mean new electrical wiring for most. It will need at least a 20A breaker & wiring. You just can't go to your circuit breaker and exchange a 15A for a 20A. Each has it's wiring requirements. Or, the XPR-7 will need 2 power cords that can be plugged into two 15A receptacles.
Some of us are arguing for a scaled down version. Remember that EMO indicated that due to lagging sales of the UPA-7, they are not making any more 7 channel amps because audiophiles also prefer less, more powerful channels. So, our only hope of upgrading our current UPA-7 with another Emo amp, is to get this brute beast which amounts to paying for more than you really need. Some of us also speculate that the delay of the XPR-7 is due to difficulty controlling all that power in a home theater setting. So, if the power is reduced to a more reasonable lower level, it will be realized (come to production) much quicker.
Yes, we are all jockeying for our own legitimate self interests. Let us continue to do so politely. Also, remember that we are here as guests of Emotiva. Easy come, easy go!
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Post by BillBauman on Jul 2, 2011 10:25:22 GMT -5
We might all can't agree. But, we must make a better effort to facilitate each others (differing)points of view. I speak to myself as well. This is a topic worthy of discussion and I don't want to see this thread get locked. Yes, we are all jockeying for our own legitimate self interests. Let us continue to do so politely. Also, remember that we are here as guests of Emotiva. Easy come, easy go! Excellent points. Well said. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 2, 2011 10:30:58 GMT -5
This thread is headed down a NEGATIVE path, along with the personal back and forth innuendos. The forum as a whole has moved past this un-adult-like behaviour, and civil & respectful comments are expected. If we can't post in this manner, then please don't post at all, as the Lounge won't move back in the direction of some of the other Audio/Video forums that seem to thrive on personal attacks. Thanks for all members cooperation.  |
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Post by BillBauman on Jul 2, 2011 10:31:17 GMT -5
More seriously, getting a XPR-7 will mean new electrical wiring for most. It will need at least a 20A breaker & wiring. You just can't go to your circuit breaker and exchange a 15A for a 20A. Each has it's wiring requirements. Or, the XPR-7 will need 2 power cords that can be plugged into two 15A receptacles. I have little doubt that the XPR-7 will be a 15Amp/110Volt offering. Might it throw a circuit or blow a fuse in a few applications? Probably. Will it benefit from a dedicated, 20A circuit? Sure, most power hungry things would. Can it be made to run at 350x7 on 15/110? Yes. That's what I'm expecting. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 2, 2011 10:34:45 GMT -5
I totally agree, Bill, that's why I'm having in the near future an electrician come run a couple of 20A line for the home theater. Just for the peace of mind have you, or maybe to accomodate an XPR like amplifier product in the future. ;D
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Post by jamrock on Jul 2, 2011 11:16:54 GMT -5
Right now I'll settle for the most powerful 15A/110v 7-channel amp they can produce. It was budget and the write up from Audioholics that caused me to go for the UPA-7. So a 7-channel 200 wpc - 350 wpc would do just fine.
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Post by ultramic on Jul 3, 2011 2:30:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 5:58:30 GMT -5
The only reason I read this thread is to look for news. Seriously, if you're just in here to say "buy something else" or "400w is too much power" or just harp on the delays, then go somewhere else. Yes, I want the XPR-7 to come out, but I'm not going to start throwing sand at Emotiva and bashing both the company and the products. (ausman) Seriously, go somewhere else if you want to make accusations and tell people what products they should or shouldn't need/want/buy. I'm frustrated by the delays, but this thread just keeps getting more and more negative. The negativity does NOTHING productive. If you don't want an XPR-7, again....... go away. Seriously, if you don't care for the comments, maybe you should go away. Freedom of speech shouldn't be curtailed just because some don't want negative comments. This is not just another board, its an Emotiva board, owned and operated by the company. Why they are so tolerant of trolls I don't know but they would be perfectly within their rights banning you. Try to be at least a little bit less negative and perhaps you will be appreciated. Emotiva has been a great resource for me, especially since I am relatively poor, unlike you, and I appreciate the fact they gave me a way to have separates of good quality which otherwise I could not afford. |
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Post by jamrock on Jul 3, 2011 6:11:45 GMT -5
Great find. I now promote you to the genius class. Yep folks. Here it is. A few changes here and there; a more efficient power supply, better channel separation, output is doubled as the load doubles, it runs cool, a blue glow power button, blue LED channel indicators and vertical aluminum strips at each end and Wallah! Ladies and gentlemen, I now introduce to you - The long awaited, much speculated, the envy of audiophiles and H/T enthusiasts - The XPR-7.   ;D |
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Post by dragonV on Jul 3, 2011 6:43:41 GMT -5
......and is the new Sherbourn processor the XMC-1 in disguise as well?  I guess we can't have Emotiva products coming out before their elite Sherbourn cousins- |
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Post by jamrock on Jul 3, 2011 7:27:20 GMT -5
I think that it is now time for me to start to line up a buyer for my UPA-7. I have seen the light and I like it! Look at post #567. Was this premonition? I think so. A few surreal things happened yesterday. ;D |
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Post by sharkman on Jul 3, 2011 10:42:57 GMT -5
Seriously, if you don't care for the comments, maybe you should go away. Freedom of speech shouldn't be curtailed just because some don't want negative comments. This is not just another board, its an Emotiva board, owned and operated by the company. Why they are so tolerant of trolls I don't know but they would be perfectly within their rights banning you. Try to be at least a little bit less negative and perhaps you will be appreciated. Emotiva has been a great resource for me, especially since I am relatively poor, unlike you, and I appreciate the fact they gave me a way to have separates of good quality which otherwise I could not afford. I wasn't sure if you were directing your comment at me or Jim000, since you quoted both of us. Usually it's better to just quote the one whom you are speaking to.  Jamrock, I am among those who couldn't imagine needing this kind of power, but obviously there will be a market for it! |
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Post by BillBauman on Jul 3, 2011 11:12:32 GMT -5
Hey, guys, the Sherbourn amp isn't really new or a surprise. I mentioned it (I don't know in which thread), some time ago, and linked to it on the Emonatics XPR-7 page. I was even flamed for daring to mention that the XPR-7 would be 350WPC, not 400, and cited the Sherbourn amp. Unless something goes wrong in dev/test (which it is wont to do), all of the projected XPR amp specs are up to date now at Emonatics. I posted which pages in the recent XPR-5 thread. I try not to spam the board with Emonatics updates, but I figured I'd mention it again here since it's pretty clear word didn't get out. |
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Post by jamrock on Jul 3, 2011 11:17:37 GMT -5
Here is how I was able to turn the corner on my desire for this amp. I really don't need all that power. Currently, my speakers are very efficient book shelf types. I will be changing speakers that might require more power than the UPA-7 can provide, but not as much as the XPR-7 can dish out. (I am committed to book shelf speakers/subwoofers combination for the foreseeable future). Therefore, I was hoping that Emo would make a less powerful model at 200wpc - 300wpc. Currently, only Emo would produce such an amp at an affordable price for my budget. That with guaranteed performance and a 5 yr warranty. I don't believe that there is too powerful an amp for any given speaker. It is simply a question if you REALLY NEED the amount of power you have. And, if not, why waste money on it. However, when you ADD VALUE to the equasion, everything came into focus for me. Therefore, while I drool over getting my hands on this amp, buying it or not hinges how much it will cost. I feel pretty ceertain that Emo will make if very affordable. Hence my confidence getting one. |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 3, 2011 11:25:22 GMT -5
Thanks as always for checking in and keeping it real, Dan. Have a great fourth!
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;D 
I guess we can't have Emotiva products coming out before their elite Sherbourn cousins-
