ERM 6.2 for 2-channel

[flosstycoon]

Just got my pair of 6.2s and am working on placement (2-channel with a sub). Any thoughts on tweeters facing out, tweeters facing in, or placing them on their sides (like center channel)?

So far they sound best on their sides (heresy?), toed in a little, about 6 feet from front wall and 3 feet from the side walls. Still can't get them to "disappear" like some smaller 2-ways I have owned, but this seems to get better the more hours I log with them. I do think these need some break-in time.

Also, how are these speakers crossed over? I am assuming the two 6.5" drivers are essentially doubling the output of one as opposed to each one handling different frequency ranges. The reason I ask this is that this might affect their dispersion when placed on their sides. Any ideas?

Oh, and these are built like tanks- beautiful finish. Still shaking my head at what I paid for these.

[cgolf]

Dec 2, 2009 16:24:53 GMT -5 flosstycoon said:

Just got my pair of 6.2s and am working on placement (2-channel with a sub). Any thoughts on tweeters facing out, tweeters facing in, or placing them on their sides (like center channel)?

So far they sound best on their sides (heresy?), toed in a little, about 6 feet from front wall and 3 feet from the side walls. Still can't get them to "disappear" like some smaller 2-ways I have owned, but this seems to get better the more hours I log with them. I do think these need some break-in time.

Also, how are these speakers crossed over? I am assuming the two 6.5" drivers are essentially doubling the output of one as opposed to each one handling different frequency ranges. The reason I ask this is that this might affect their dispersion when placed on their sides. Any ideas?

Oh, and these are built like tanks- beautiful finish. Still shaking my head at what I paid for these.

I'm running 6.2s with my TV and for 2 channel music also. I have the tweeters on the outside because the speakers sounded much fuller that way. I hadn't thought about putting them on their sides but I'm going to try that tonight. I would think with the tweeters on the top.

[strindl]

I've found that my 6.2's sounded best in two channel standing vertically with the tweeters on the outside. Very nice wide soundstage.

I never tried them horizontally for two channel. As a center speaker that would be how I'd do it though...with the tweeter on top.

[flosstycoon]

Yep - tweeters on top. I was surprised that the horizontal orientation would sound so good. The drivers must have pretty amazing vertical and horizontal dispersion. I also have them tilted back a little. The best thing I am hearing (compared to my other two-ways) is a much fuller and more evenly presented range of bass notes (acoustical and electric).

I have these crossed over with in-line high-pass filters (FMOD made by Harrison Labs) at 70Hz - they don't make an 80Hz model. I have a real old school pre-amp with monoblocks and not many bells and whistles. These 6.2s so far are blending very nicely with my sub.

[jlafrenz]

Here is the setup I used from Caradas to set up my 2 channel room. It worked out really well for me and should for you too if you have the space. This is a pic of how they suggest to do it. I have also posted the link for you to read the full setup.



www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup

[flosstycoon]

Many thanks for the link. I have seen this before and always wanted to try it. Luckily I have freedom and space to place these out into the room and away from boundaries. I have to go to a meeting tonight so it may be tomorrow before I'm able to do it. I'll report back tomorrow.

Great forum. Thanks for all the ideas.

[jlafrenz]

When I first set it up and tried it I thought my speakers looked way to close, but it sounded good. The music comes from the room and not the speakers. Looking forward to hearing your results.

[cgolf]

Dec 2, 2009 16:24:53 GMT -5 flosstycoon said:

Just got my pair of 6.2s and am working on placement (2-channel with a sub). Any thoughts on tweeters facing out, tweeters facing in, or placing them on their sides (like center channel)?

So far they sound best on their sides (heresy?), toed in a little, about 6 feet from front wall and 3 feet from the side walls. Still can't get them to "disappear" like some smaller 2-ways I have owned, but this seems to get better the more hours I log with them. I do think these need some break-in time.

Also, how are these speakers crossed over? I am assuming the two 6.5" drivers are essentially doubling the output of one as opposed to each one handling different frequency ranges. The reason I ask this is that this might affect their dispersion when placed on their sides. Any ideas?

Oh, and these are built like tanks- beautiful finish. Still shaking my head at what I paid for these.

Tried the 6.2s on their side and had interesting results. In some strange way they sounded different and even better-maybe more bassy but I still like the sound better with them upright with the tweeters on the outside. Interesting though.

[flosstycoon]

I went to the Cardas page (thanks jlafrenz) and it seems their calculations are for a rectangular symmetrical room. Well, I have a semi- L-shaped room with angled ceilings at two ends! Decided to try it anyway since part of the L is rectangular.

Yep - they do look a little close. I found it funny that my sidewall to center of speaker cone was 44.7" and the original diatance of my left speaker was exactly that... Maybe I only have one good ear.

Now for some listening. Gonna try tweeter in, out, and horizontal placement. Film at 11.

cgolf - Gonna try the tweeter out first and see if the even bass remains.

[jlafrenz]

The room I have mine in isn't exactly perfect either. There is a slant on the front of the ceiling and there is a little corner space that is extra. I did what I could to correct it with some acoustic panels.

[Porscheguy]

Dec 2, 2009 16:24:53 GMT -5 flosstycoon said:

Just got my pair of 6.2s and am working on placement (2-channel with a sub). Any thoughts on tweeters facing out, tweeters facing in, or placing them on their sides (like center channel)?

So far they sound best on their sides (heresy?), toed in a little, about 6 feet from front wall and 3 feet from the side walls. Still can't get them to "disappear" like some smaller 2-ways I have owned, but this seems to get better the more hours I log with them. I do think these need some break-in time.

Also, how are these speakers crossed over? I am assuming the two 6.5" drivers are essentially doubling the output of one as opposed to each one handling different frequency ranges. The reason I ask this is that this might affect their dispersion when placed on their sides. Any ideas?

Oh, and these are built like tanks- beautiful finish. Still shaking my head at what I paid for these.

In my view, there is no right answer. Why don't you try them in each configuration and see which sounds best to you? After all, you are the final judge on their sound and as long as you are pleased, that's all that matters. It's all subjective IMHO

[ntrain42]

Dec 2, 2009 16:24:53 GMT -5 flosstycoon said:

Just got my pair of 6.2s and am working on placement (2-channel with a sub). Any thoughts on tweeters facing out, tweeters facing in, or placing them on their sides (like center channel)?

So far they sound best on their sides (heresy?), toed in a little, about 6 feet from front wall and 3 feet from the side walls. Still can't get them to "disappear" like some smaller 2-ways I have owned, but this seems to get better the more hours I log with them. I do think these need some break-in time.

Also, how are these speakers crossed over? I am assuming the two 6.5" drivers are essentially doubling the output of one as opposed to each one handling different frequency ranges. The reason I ask this is that this might affect their dispersion when placed on their sides. Any ideas?

Oh, and these are built like tanks- beautiful finish. Still shaking my head at what I paid for these.

Tweeters facing out is best IMO. Don't expect them to dissapear like other speakers. These speakers are best suited for HT setups needing good dynamics and db output.

The 6.5's are each 8 ohm drivers, both play the same frequencies and run in a parallel I believe and the tweeter is a 4 ohm unit. The xover slopes are 24/db linkwitz riley arrangements.

[flosstycoon]

Thanks ntrain42 for the info about the 6.5" drivers. I agree with you after many hours of listening - tweeters on the outside. I tried them again on the inside as well as the horizontal placement. The horizontal placement sounded weird.

I think what I am finding is that I am enjoying the fuller, more fleshed-out sound of the ERM 6.2s. I have placed them according to the Cardas formula and put the tweeters at ear level. They actually have disappeared - I mean no instruments or tones seeming to come directly from the speaker enclosure unless they were panned hard right or left. I also think some "pinpoint imaging" effects are not natural and don't represent what was intended in the mix.

I think the continued improvement of the sound may be a result of them breaking in. Don't think this is my imagination since i have listened to some bits of music repeatedly over the last week and there is a definite change for the better.

I am also hearing things very clearly in some recordings that have been kinda buried up until now. These are recordings I have played many times. I still can't believe what these speakers deliver for the money. Thanks again for all the responses.

[ntrain42]

Dec 5, 2009 18:43:11 GMT -5 flosstycoon said:

Thanks ntrain42 for the info about the 6.5" drivers. I agree with you after many hours of listening - tweeters on the outside. I tried them again on the inside as well as the horizontal placement. The horizontal placement sounded weird.

I think what I am finding is that I am enjoying the fuller, more fleshed-out sound of the ERM 6.2s. I have placed them according to the Cardas formula and put the tweeters at ear level. They actually have disappeared - I mean no instruments or tones seeming to come directly from the speaker enclosure unless they were panned hard right or left. I also think some "pinpoint imaging" effects are not natural and don't represent what was intended in the mix.

I think the continued improvement of the sound may be a result of them breaking in. Don't think this is my imagination since i have listened to some bits of music repeatedly over the last week and there is a definite change for the better.

I am also hearing things very clearly in some recordings that have been kinda buried up until now. These are recordings I have played many times. I still can't believe what these speakers deliver for the money. Thanks again for all the responses.

I agree, for the money of about $450 shipped for the pair they are a very good performing loudspeaker. If you ever feel you have an extra $200 to spend, think about going over to the ninja forum and have the xovers upgraded and see what those 6.2's are really capable of! ;D

[flosstycoon]

Funny you should mention this! I have already looked at this and was wondering if anybody has done this upgrade. I tend to like overbuilt stuff and as soon as I have some hours on these babies I will seriously consider this. I think it is noteworthy that out of all the potential candidates for a crossover mod, the Ninja has included the 6.2s. I am not a parts snob but wonder how the Ninja mods would sound. I mean, wouldn't it be cool to get another pair of 6.2s, add the Ninja mods, and see what happens. Right now I am wondering how much better these speakers since, to quote Vincent Vega, "I dig 'em the most."

[ntrain42]

Dec 5, 2009 19:24:40 GMT -5 flosstycoon said:

Funny you should mention this! I have already looked at this and was wondering if anybody has done this upgrade. I tend to like overbuilt stuff and as soon as I have some hours on these babies I will seriously consider this. I think it is noteworthy that out of all the potential candidates for a crossover mod, the Ninja has included the 6.2s. I am not a parts snob but wonder how the Ninja mods would sound. I mean, wouldn't it be cool to get another pair of 6.2s, add the Ninja mods, and see what happens. Right now I am wondering how much better these speakers since, to quote Vincent Vega, "I dig 'em the most."

The "ninja" xover mod is more than worth it. Your basically going from a $5-10 cheap passive encomony xover to a reference grade setup that has alot less signal loss/distortion. IMO its more than worth the money. I have heard a set of 6.2's with a high quality xover swapped in and its very much worth the money IMO.

[bfisher]

Is there a link to this crossover mod? you have peaked my curiousity What about 6.3s?

[ntrain42]

Dec 7, 2009 19:09:43 GMT -5 bfisher said:

Is there a link to this crossover mod? you have peaked my curiousity What about 6.3s?

www.skiingninja.com

cheers