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Post by mlkmgr on Dec 11, 2009 12:23:51 GMT -5
as the title states, i am considering dropping my paradigm adp-190 v5 surrounds paradigm.com/en/paradigm/speaker_only-specification-8-1-4-4.paradigm. i have a modest paradigm v5 set up but with some titan v2's as rear duty. i was looking to replace the titans with some adp's. i was looking to purchase a second set of adp-190's but the price has gone up $175 from when i purchased a couple years ago. don't quite understand how that is possible considering the specs are the exact same. i have searched the used market but cannot find any matching set. basically, i could purchase 2 sets of erd's for the price of one pair of adp's. so now i am considering selling the adp-190's along with the titans and picking up some erd's for both rear and side surround. however the questions are: will i be gaining or losing by switching surrounds? i understand they won't be timbre matched to the fronts, but will it be that noticable of a difference? also, will my receiver (marantz 5003) have to work harder to power the rears going from 8 ohm to 4 ohm? thanks to anyone that can offer some insight.
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Post by sanjaygolf on Dec 11, 2009 12:36:01 GMT -5
I recently went from ADP-170 v3 to ERDs and like the ERDs more. They just seemed a lot clearer and I felt I was hearing more from the surround channels which in turn provided a more engrossing HT experience. It's also nice to have the different settings for bipole, dipole, etc. so that you can customize them to your room. And I think others have chimed in saying that there receivers havent had any problems powering the ERDs. For the Holiday sale price of 250 I think it's a no brainer.
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 11, 2009 15:35:53 GMT -5
Skip dipolars, stay with traditional monitors, were are dealing with true 5.1 dedicated surround channels now, not pro-logic ambience surround.
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Post by RayoVac on Dec 11, 2009 19:44:35 GMT -5
Skip dipolars, stay with traditional monitors, were are dealing with true 5.1 dedicated surround channels now, not pro-logic ambience surround. My biggest gripe of normal speakers in the surround position is the mounting hassles. Purpose build surrounds like the ERDs so smoothly integrate into the HT environment, without a big box hanging off the wall. The WAF alone determines this choice for a lot of us. If I were to attempt to mount four, even small, monitors where my RS-7s are... my wife would have big issues with it.
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Post by strindl on Dec 11, 2009 19:55:51 GMT -5
That was my problem as well. When I wanted to add side surrounds last summer, there was no way a pair of monitor type speakers would look right hanging on the wall there. They are just too deep. The erd-1's look great in the room and also happen to sound damn fine.
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 11, 2009 20:08:29 GMT -5
Skip dipolars, stay with traditional monitors, were are dealing with true 5.1 dedicated surround channels now, not pro-logic ambience surround. My biggest gripe of normal speakers in the surround position is the mounting hassles. Purpose build surrounds like the ERDs so smoothly integrate into the HT environment, without a big box hanging off the wall. The WAF alone determines this choice for a lot of us. If I were to attempt to mount four, even small, monitors where my RS-7s are... my wife would have big issues with it. PRoblem is they ruin the front to back imaging by diffusing the sound. Don't want a "big box" monitor? Then get a low profile one(which many mfg's make) or an in wall point source monitor.
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Post by jlafrenz on Dec 12, 2009 16:12:51 GMT -5
i was looking to purchase a second set of adp-190's but the price has gone up $175 from when i purchased a couple years ago. don't quite understand how that is possible considering the specs are the exact same. i have searched the used market but cannot find any matching set. basically, i could purchase 2 sets of erd's for the price of one pair of adp's. Many speaker manufacturers have increased prices on their speakers over that last couple of years. Cost of production has gone up.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Dec 12, 2009 18:48:37 GMT -5
ERD-1s in bi-pole do not ruin the front-rear imaging (in my setup anyway), so that is worth a try,
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Post by checkereddemon on Dec 12, 2009 19:12:49 GMT -5
I *strongly* recommend going with timbre-matched apeakers all around. This usually means using the same brand and model of speakers at all positions. This will give you a much better and cohesive sound field allowing for a much smoother and more seamless transition from side to side and front to rear. If this means that you will have to wait a little while to build up your funds, DO IT!
Don't get hasty and compromise to save a few dollars - you will be living with this setup for many years to come, be patient and do it right, paduan!! <g>
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Post by strindl on Dec 12, 2009 20:07:02 GMT -5
No, they do not.
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Post by roadrunner on Dec 12, 2009 20:10:24 GMT -5
I *strongly* recommend going with timbre-matched apeakers all around. This usually means using the same brand and model of speakers at all positions. This will give you a much better and cohesive sound field allowing for a much smoother and more seamless transition from side to side and front to rear. If this means that you will have to wait a little while to build up your funds, DO IT! Don't get hasty and compromise to save a few dollars - you will be living with this setup for many years to come, be patient and do it right, paduan!! <g> This is Emotiva's philosophy on HT speakers as well. That is why all of their speakers are voice matched. No matter which model you choose in the Emotive line, it will perfectly timbre match any other speaker in their line up. The little ERD-1, with all it's flexiblity, is the perfect surround speaker. When Audioholics tested the ERD-1, they gave it a rave revue and compared it against other vendor surrounds and pronounce that the ERD-1 was in a class all by itself -- even though the Axiom surround costs more than double the price. This is a very good review to peruse if you are in the market.
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Post by bfisher on Dec 13, 2009 12:22:26 GMT -5
PRoblem is they ruin the front to back imaging by diffusing the sound. I don't agree with this comment. I mounted my office ERM-1s for a couple weeks as surrounds and strongly prefer the sound the ERDs create for movies. Surround music might be different... but for movies - I think the ERDs create a much better feeling and fill the room with the proper sounds. I'm no expert - but the wife and I both agreed the ERDs not only look better but work better for movies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 12:52:49 GMT -5
I'm with Ntrain42 on this one. I've had dipoles in my system at one time and I hated them. Doesn't mean you will, it's just my experience with them.
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 13, 2009 14:40:58 GMT -5
I *strongly* recommend going with timbre-matched apeakers all around. This usually means using the same brand and model of speakers at all positions. This will give you a much better and cohesive sound field allowing for a much smoother and more seamless transition from side to side and front to rear. If this means that you will have to wait a little while to build up your funds, DO IT! Don't get hasty and compromise to save a few dollars - you will be living with this setup for many years to come, be patient and do it right, paduan!! <g> When Audioholics tested the ERD-1, they gave it a rave revue and compared it against other vendor surrounds and pronounce that the ERD-1 was in a class all by itself -- even though the Axiom surround costs more than double the price. This is a very good review to peruse if you are in the market. When is the last time ANY review site or company, magazine gave ANY product a BAD review in reality? Hell my old $15k Revel Salons got a Stereophile "Class A" recommendation and was a product of the year for a number of publishing companies. Means squat. I have set up simple 2 channel systems that are vastly superior in overall performance/sound for pennies on the dollar literally. In fact I did a small 2 channel system for my father that cost in total about $1600(CD player, preamp, amp, speakers and sub) that out performs my old Revel setup which cost me over $40k retail that was loaded with Class A recommended products. Review sites are many times are worthless.
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Post by jmilton on Dec 13, 2009 14:50:36 GMT -5
Forunately, we have you instead of all those silly reviewers!
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Dec 13, 2009 15:04:40 GMT -5
I'm with Ntrain42 on this one. I've had dipoles in my system at one time and I hated them. Doesn't mean you will, it's just my experience with them. That said (as I mentioned earlier) you can have the ERDs in bi-pole if you don't like the di-pole. Di-pole didn't "work for me" in my room, but in bi-pole they are spot on.
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 13, 2009 15:22:37 GMT -5
I'm with Ntrain42 on this one. I've had dipoles in my system at one time and I hated them. Doesn't mean you will, it's just my experience with them. I just don't like the ERD's arrangement of 2 tweeters with a single smaller 5" woofer in the middle. Especially when going from say a 6.2, 6.3, 8.3 etc. effect to the back. Your not going to get the same full bodied impact from a pair of tweeters and a small 5" driver, that would would from a pair of 6" drivers and a single tweeter. Or larger(using the Emotiva speakers for example). If Emotiva made a larger bi/dipole speaker with say 2 tweeters and 4 6" drivers I would be more for em. Then the front/rear biasing would be more in order. The only time I am a fan of dipolar speakers are from open/infinite baffle designs like ML's, maggies, quads etc. because of the 180 degree radiating pattern which sill allows for good point sourcing when set up in the room correctly(which means the will be more perpendicular to the wall or slightly toed) in correlation to the listening position and the adjacent wall. Dipolar box speakers normally have a 70 degree or so radiating pattern parallel to the wall diffusing the sound, and this affects front to rear point sourcing.
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Post by dreadpiratemarc on Dec 13, 2009 15:36:45 GMT -5
Ntrain, I'm interested in the $1600 awesome stereo system. What did you use?
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 13, 2009 16:56:56 GMT -5
Ntrain, I'm interested in the $1600 awesome stereo system. What did you use? A NOS Adcom GCD700 for $150 Aragon 8008ST for $450 Magnepan MMGW $300 Epik Vanquish sealed 12" Subwoofer $700 Very simple setup, the MMGW is basically a crossoverless planer wall mounted single driver design(no time or phase distortion), best sounding IB "monitor" for under $1000 IMO.
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Post by bigred7078 on Dec 13, 2009 17:07:53 GMT -5
I just don't like the ERD's arrangement of 2 tweeters with a single smaller 5" woofer in the middle. Especially when going from say a 6.2, 6.3, 8.3 etc. effect to the back. Your not going to get the same full bodied impact from a pair of tweeters and a small 5" driver, that would would from a pair of 6" drivers and a single tweeter. Or larger(using the Emotiva speakers for example). If Emotiva made a larger bi/dipole speaker with say 2 tweeters and 4 6" drivers I would be more for em. Then the front/rear biasing would be more in order. They are actually pretty nice surrounds. I have been using them for some time now and enjoy them just as much today as i did when i got them. Lonnie mentioned a larger 6" woofer design some time ago, but it was dropped since it really didnt make a difference in sound.
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