directv and umc-1

[venaka]

Im on my third reset of direct tv h21-100 after connecting umc to directv box via hdmi and hdmi out to tv.
my problem is after shutting down umc-1 and tv. when I go ahead and turn on umc-1 and the h21-100 back on, it will say searching for satellite signal..

to me it looks like the same problem i located on another thread regarding dish network..Im going to run components straight from the h21 to tv and run optical to umc for 5.1 and see if this fixes issue(handshake?).

[bootman]

Jan 26, 2010 9:40:21 GMT -5 venaka said:

Im on my third reset of direct tv h21-100 after connecting umc to directv box via hdmi and hdmi out to tv.
my problem is after shutting down umc-1 and tv. when I go ahead and turn on umc-1 and the h21-100 back on, it will say searching for satellite signal..

to me it looks like the same problem i located on another thread regarding dish network..Im going to run components straight from the h21 to tv and run optical to umc for 5.1 and see if this fixes issue(handshake?).

The other issue was with a dish STB.

Did you try a different power down/power up sequence to see if the problem still happened?

Example:

Power up 1)TV 2)UMC 3)STB
Power down 1)STB 2)UMC 3)TV

then check if the STB still acts up.

[aircav]

I don't think I would power down the STB? I never power mine down. In truth I have an HR 22-100 but i did have a HR 21 and it stayed on all the time

This is an interesting problem, there should be no effect on the signal by the output device. Have you tried just doing a pass thru of the signal?

[venaka]

ok problem fixed, but who knows how it got fixed.
I powered up and powered down just like you said so but I also changed my hdmi out to a newer one that I just got (monoprice 1.3) and put the older hdmi on the H21 to umc..
Im also going to order a new hdmi to replace the old one.


this is a bug right? cause if this power up power down thing is gonna be the new way of turning on and turning off my equip..

[venaka]

Jan 26, 2010 10:13:43 GMT -5 aircav said:

I don't think I would power down the STB? I never power mine down. In truth I have an HR 22-100 but i did have a HR 21 and it stayed on all the time

This is an interesting problem, there should be no effect on the signal by the output device. Have you tried just doing a pass thru of the signal?

im done with passthrough..every time there is a problem..pass through has to be the resolution?i though this umc was suppose to be a better video processor than my h21..

[aircav]

I was only suggesting pass thru to help to debug the problem by eliminating variables. You could reasonably expect the video processing on the UMC to be superior to the HR21.

[DYohn]

"Searching for signal" is a message from the UMC-1 I see all the time when initially powering on, and then it locks into the signal from the DTv DVR. This is normal. It only lasts about three seconds. If your system displayed this message for a longer time, you probably had a bad cable or other signal strength issue.

[venaka]

Jan 26, 2010 10:59:53 GMT -5 aircav said:

I was only suggesting pass thru to help to debug the problem by eliminating variables. You could reasonably expect the video processing on the UMC to be superior to the HR21.

im thankful..trust me.
Its working now with the power up and power down theory.

Searching for signal stays on 4 ever..but with the power up/down theory it solved that..

My settings were left @ automatic not passthrough.

Thanks again guys.
Emotiva should give u guys commission.

[rskarvan]

QUESTION (Somewhat related):

Does the UMC-1 do a good job "improving" the video quality of the 720P coming out of the HR21? Question assumes that the tv is getting a signal from the UMC-1 that has been upscaled to 1080P. I'd like to hear opinions on just how good the UMC-1 is at improving my very good Directv picture.

Does upscaled Directv approach the detail of Blueray?

[venaka]

Jan 26, 2010 11:24:29 GMT -5 rskarvan said:

QUESTION (Somewhat related):

Does the UMC-1 do a good job "improving" the video quality of the 720P coming out of the HR21? Question assumes that the tv is getting a signal from the UMC-1 that has been upscaled to 1080P. I'd like to hear opinions on just how good the UMC-1 is at improving my very good Directv picture.

Does upscaled Directv approach the detail of Blueray?

It could just be a placebo , but yes..
SOmehow my ps3 image looks sharper too!

[bootman]

Jan 26, 2010 11:24:29 GMT -5 rskarvan said:

QUESTION (Somewhat related):

Does the UMC-1 do a good job "improving" the video quality of the 720P coming out of the HR21? Question assumes that the tv is getting a signal from the UMC-1 that has been upscaled to 1080P. I'd like to hear opinions on just how good the UMC-1 is at improving my very good Directv picture.

Does upscaled Directv approach the detail of Blueray?

It should do a fine job of upconverting 720p to 1080p.

However its signal bitrate that makes the biggest perceived differences between HD sources.

Bluray with bitrates approaching 50Mb/sec always trumps cable's and sat's bitrates of ~10Mb/sec.

[rherrmann]

Jan 26, 2010 11:24:29 GMT -5 rskarvan said:

QUESTION (Somewhat related):

Does the UMC-1 do a good job "improving" the video quality of the 720P coming out of the HR21? Question assumes that the tv is getting a signal from the UMC-1 that has been upscaled to 1080P. I'd like to hear opinions on just how good the UMC-1 is at improving my very good Directv picture.

Does upscaled Directv approach the detail of Blueray?

If you have a 1080p display, why don't you have the HR21 output 1080p?

Just wondering, Rick

[littlesaint]

Jan 26, 2010 14:58:03 GMT -5 rherrmann said:

Jan 26, 2010 11:24:29 GMT -5 rskarvan said:

QUESTION (Somewhat related):

Does the UMC-1 do a good job "improving" the video quality of the 720P coming out of the HR21? Question assumes that the tv is getting a signal from the UMC-1 that has been upscaled to 1080P. I'd like to hear opinions on just how good the UMC-1 is at improving my very good Directv picture.

Does upscaled Directv approach the detail of Blueray?

If you have a 1080p display, why don't you have the HR21 output 1080p?

Just wondering, Rick

Broadcast content is 1080i or 720p. These have to be scaled to 1080p. If you set the STB to 1080p, it is scaling. DTV does offer some 1080p on-demand films, but everything else has to be scaled.

[closetscifigeek]

I think the Direct TV Cable Boxes have been out for a while and may not follow the HDMI 1.3 convention. This may be causing handshake issues. I simply switched my output from hdmi(Had the same issues you guys did-couldn't find signal unless I hard rebooted the UMC-1 and Direct TV box) to component out for video and SPDIF for audio. Since this unit only puts out 1080i or 720p I don't really care that much that there are issues with the hdmi. When a new cable box becomes available from Direct TV that will handshake with the UMC-1 or Emotiva works some majic(don't think it's their fault, think it is the older Direct TV box that is the culprit) with a software fix I will stick with this hookup. Everything other than EMO-Q is working great.

[goodwinaj]

DirecTV boxes are crap, have handshake issues with direct connection to bedroom tv. Late 2010 get the new TiVo box for Directv.

[littlesaint]

My DTV DVR (HR21?) works fine over HDMI to my AVR. In fact, of all the devices I have using HDMI (5 total) it's the best performer as far as handshake goes. Maybe I'm just lucky.

[venaka]

this helped with my h21
and also switching my old hdmi to a new 1.3 one


Power up 1)TV 2)UMC 3)STB
Power down 1)STB 2)UMC 3)TV

then check if the STB still acts up.[/quote]

[johnnyg]

Is anybody else experiencing audio dropouts with DirecTV and the UMC-1, even with the new firmware?
I am still experiencing them, although the UMC-1 recovers very fast and doesn't drop the center channel any more (so far...fingers crossed). Now the dropouts are short in duration, usually less than a second, with quick recovery. Occasionally there is a weird crackling noise when it resumes.

I'm trying to figure out how much is DirecTV and how much is UMC-1. I rarely had these dropouts with my Yamaha RXV-2700, maybe once per week, not we get as many as a dozen per hour.

If it is an HDMI handshake issue as others have suggested, would connecting the audio via optical be worth trying?

[cawgijoe]

Feb 11, 2010 15:06:37 GMT -5 @johnnyg said:

Is anybody else experiencing audio dropouts with DirecTV and the UMC-1, even with the new firmware?
I am still experiencing them, although the UMC-1 recovers very fast and doesn't drop the center channel any more (so far...fingers crossed). Now the dropouts are short in duration, usually less than a second, with quick recovery. Occasionally there is a weird crackling noise when it resumes.

I'm trying to figure out how much is DirecTV and how much is UMC-1. I rarely had these dropouts with my Yamaha RXV-2700, maybe once per week, not we get as many as a dozen per hour.

If it is an HDMI handshake issue as others have suggested, would connecting the audio via optical be worth trying?

I would definitely give the optical a shot.

[monkeypimp]

Feb 11, 2010 15:06:37 GMT -5 @johnnyg said:

Is anybody else experiencing audio dropouts with DirecTV and the UMC-1, even with the new firmware?
I am still experiencing them, although the UMC-1 recovers very fast and doesn't drop the center channel any more (so far...fingers crossed). Now the dropouts are short in duration, usually less than a second, with quick recovery. Occasionally there is a weird crackling noise when it resumes.

I'm trying to figure out how much is DirecTV and how much is UMC-1. I rarely had these dropouts with my Yamaha RXV-2700, maybe once per week, not we get as many as a dozen per hour.

If it is an HDMI handshake issue as others have suggested, would connecting the audio via optical be worth trying?

Which Dtv box do you have? When I had the HR20 i used to get audio dropouts regularly running it with hooked up via optical....now I have a HR22 box and never get dropouts....Can't comment on the UMC quite yet but I was curious if you had an older dtv box.