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Post by Porscheguy on Feb 1, 2010 9:13:21 GMT -5
It would be interesting to "meld" an UMC-1 and UPA-7 (or 5) into a single chassis for a very cool av receiver. I'd bet it would have broad appeal for those who just aren't all that interested in separates. Man, it would be heavy though.......  Yes? No? |
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Post by alabamaboy on Feb 1, 2010 9:45:34 GMT -5
It would make no sense. From the Emo XPA-3 page:
"Does your receiver sound lifeless? No surprise there. Even most high-peformance receivers have trouble keeping up in the audio department. Why? Simple physics. There's only so much room in the chassis, and it's usually the amplifier that gets short-changed."
They would have to change their marketing scheme.
My $.02.
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Post by Porscheguy on Feb 1, 2010 10:13:45 GMT -5
It would make no sense. From the Emo XPA-3 page: "Does your receiver sound lifeless? No surprise there. Even most high-peformance receivers have trouble keeping up in the audio department. Why? Simple physics. There's only so much room in the chassis, and it's usually the amplifier that gets short-changed." They would have to change their marketing scheme. My $.02. Don't be so hasty... Have you ever looked at the big Denon, Yamaha or Pioneer receivers? They are huge...... Pioneer SC-09TX 70lbs Yamaha RX Z-11 75lbs Denon 5308 62lbs UPA-7 66lbs UMC-1 17lbs guessing... Total 88lbs * *It would probably be a bit less. Thats only 8 lbs more than the Yamaha. If it was the UPA-5/UMC-1 it would weigh the same as the Yamaha and the dimensions would be close to that of the Pioneer..... So it's not all that far fetched. .02 more cents |
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Post by alabamaboy on Feb 1, 2010 10:17:27 GMT -5
Agreed, technically quite feasible. I just think touting the advantages of separates is a good marketing strategy (seems to be working for them so far).
Personally, I would love a UMC/UPA7 all-in-one receiver.
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Post by Stevens on Feb 1, 2010 10:25:25 GMT -5
I have the UPA-7 and I'm waiting for the UMC-1. I think I'd prefer to keep them separate rather than joined inside one case. Gives more flexibility when it's time to upgrade to the UMC-2....  |
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Post by alabamaboy on Feb 1, 2010 10:31:41 GMT -5
There's a legion of folks out there that would not consider separates. Any additional cables and they get flustered.
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Post by Porscheguy on Feb 1, 2010 12:57:39 GMT -5
There's a legion of folks out there that would not consider separates. Any additional cables and they get flustered. I don'y know what the sales statistics are but I'll bet receivers outnumber preamp/amp combo's by a wide margin. Probably 90-95% of the market is all in ones... Thats a lot of customers to never have. It would probably be a totally different customer that is attracted by this product.... BTW, those receivers I mentioned earlier in the thread are 5K-7K. Imagine the groundswell if you could get a comparable or better product for $$1,300.00? |
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Post by SDMonkey on Feb 1, 2010 13:25:39 GMT -5
I am sure some would go for this but this is what I have always wanted to get away from. As long as I can remember I have always wanted separates.
The size and weight would be more than most can handle just to move around. Then the question will be what kind of entertainment system do you have, will it support the weight?
The majority of people buy all in ones only because they have no idea that a company like Emotiva even exist and they only buy from places like Best Buy with sales guys telling them whats what.
I have heard from many co-workers that they don't care to spend more than $300-500 bucks for a complete system. Most of my co-workers have HTIB and rant and rave about them. I had to laugh at them as it was just so funny, you would swear that they are all golden eared by the things they were saying to one another. Some used to work for Circuit City and Best Buy so "They know whats best".
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Post by Porscheguy on Feb 1, 2010 13:38:12 GMT -5
SD, I agree with you. But for every one of us that wants separates, there are probably 100 that don't. My whole thought was to broaden the sales appeal of the Emo line to non-HT addicts as well. It's also not fair for us to say that every receiver is poor quality in the amp section. I know those high end Yamaha, Denon and Pioneer units are quite good. It's the price point that stinks....
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Post by alabamaboy on Feb 1, 2010 13:49:39 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Emo would have to fork out some serious $$ to become a recognizable brand such as Denon, Yamaha or Onkyo. Not to mention, things like iPod docks are required for that market (I'm assuming one is planned for the UMC-1)?
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Post by Porscheguy on Feb 1, 2010 14:00:08 GMT -5
Good points there, but I still think in this new "internet direct world" there might be an opportunity there....
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Post by SDMonkey on Feb 1, 2010 14:05:34 GMT -5
PG, I see the appeal for an AVR for those who only want to buy AVR. To find an AVR from a company like EMO that could best the likes of the high end Denon, Yamaha and Pioneer would be something to consider for those looking for an AVR but the only way most would people buy AVRs is in BM stores. While I get what your point is I just don't see how it would bring more non-HT addicts over to a company like EMO. Those same people only know a "NAME BRAND" that they have seen over and over. Just look at the BOSE brand and loyal followers they have. Then take in the fact most AVRs selling are less than $500 bucks to all those non-HT addicts. I understand the high end AVRs have a niche class of customers but it's hard to say how many they sell or how many EMO would sell.....
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Post by alabamaboy on Feb 1, 2010 14:09:43 GMT -5
I think the addition of their subwoofer line(s) will certainly give Emo some much needed visability. How cool is that, one stop shopping... amps, processor, speaks, cables and now subs. Good stuff.
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Post by briank on Feb 1, 2010 19:08:41 GMT -5
I think Emo's getting plenty of visibility judging by the success of their Christmas Sale. And their success will continue to grow exponentially as their customer base increases. I also like their current marketing strategy: You make a great product, you get happy repeat customers but when you make a great product at a really good price, you've got customers that have to brag and tell everyone they know about the awesome gear and awesome deal they've gotten. Same goes when they take care of a customer whose had a problem. Word of mouth advertising is always the best, so this sounds like a pretty smart marketing plan to me. |
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Post by cgolf on Feb 1, 2010 20:00:25 GMT -5
Emotiva did have an AVR -- the DMR-1 -- in the beginning and decided not to continue that direction. It was a beast from what I've heard.
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Post by Stevens on Feb 2, 2010 5:30:18 GMT -5
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Post by Porscheguy on Feb 2, 2010 6:24:51 GMT -5
Most buttons I've ever seen on one receiver..... |
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Post by jannick on Feb 2, 2010 10:00:57 GMT -5
If Emotiva were to make an integrated amp/receiver, I think it would make more sense to focus on a 2-3 channel device. The kind of customers that are ready to put up 7 speakers in their living room or theater are surely: 1) ready to "suffer" seperates 2) interested in tweaking equipment to match speaker needs and nature, and more likely to want an upgrade of the pre-pro section as new tech comes to market My dream for an integrated Emotiva device is instead: - Hdmi input (3-4), decoding, ... (umc-1 hdmi functionallity), 1 hdmi output
- S/pdif inputs
- Dac, pre-amp and amps for 3 channels (L, R, C)
- Sub-out
- Network audio streaming ('networked dac')
- Rs-232 or other automation technology
- Some mean of attaching a (possibly 3rd party) ipod dock
as well as possible (lower priority) features: - Pre-amp out
- Internet radio
- Ethernet based (perhaps UpnP) automation support
- Usb-sound input
- Network video streaming
- (cd-player)
- (built-in harddrive/storage and audio and/or video handling and playback)
I know a TON of people who are 1) Unsatisfied by the SQ of their flatscreen TV 2) Wish to playback their digital music through proper speakers 3) Are never going to place a surround setup in their living room 4) Never going to go into seperates 5) Could use a device with hdmi as "central hub" of their av-setup a device such as the above could be a one-stop solution for a lot of non-audio-nerds, as well as a perfect 2nd (independent) zone amplifier unit. It seems silly to me that, in order to get onto the hdmi & lossless-hd-sound wagon, you always have to buy 7-channel devices. Theres a lot of potential customers who don't need more than 2-3 channels, and who would rather have a smaller unit, and a unit where the cost goes to improving the quality of only 3 channels. (Perhaps this is more true in europe than in the US) Edit: Halfway-there products, that need the hdmi switch & decoding : www.naim-audio.com/products/naimuniti.html - www.stereophile.com/integratedamps/407bryston/# |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2010 1:58:54 GMT -5
I have the UPA-7 and I'm waiting for the UMC-1. I think I'd prefer to keep them separate rather than joined inside one case. Gives more flexibility when it's time to upgrade to the UMC-2.... I probably will keep my XPA-5 longer than I will keep my XMC-1 (and it will be in my rack about 1.5 years or more behind the XPA-5. The idea of being able to upgrade the pre-pro and keep the same amp is for me one of the numerous no-brainer arguments in favor of the separates. |
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Post by Porscheguy on Feb 3, 2010 8:34:58 GMT -5
I have the UPA-7 and I'm waiting for the UMC-1. I think I'd prefer to keep them separate rather than joined inside one case. Gives more flexibility when it's time to upgrade to the UMC-2.... I probably will keep my XPA-5 longer than I will keep my XMC-1 (and it will be in my rack about 1.5 years or more behind the XPA-5. The idea of being able to upgrade the pre-pro and keep the same amp is for me one of the numerous no-brainer arguments in favor of the separates. Agreed. But I just can't help but think there are some who aren't as crazy as us upgrade wise and would like to the quality of Emotiva. They might have an easier time getting one piece by the wife instead of 2 or 3 (or 4)......... |
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