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Post by darien87 on Feb 2, 2010 13:29:50 GMT -5
Hey guys,
Here's my issue. I have 2 set-ups for my cable TV on the UMC-1.
1. No amp - just using TV speakers for things like watching the news.
2. XPA-5 triggered for when I'm watching a movie or concert via cable.
I had my cable box set to output stereo sound to the UMC-1. Unfortunately, the UMC-1 was still sending a signal out to my subs when I was using set-up #1. This wasn't what I wanted since I just wanted the sound to be coming from my TV speakers. But I found that if I changed "Mode" to direct, the subs wouldn't come on. Everything was peachy.
But when I changed my audio output to surround on the cable box, I got the subs working again. I tried changing modes, I tried changing settings in Advanced Playback, I tried everything I could think of. I just couldn't find a way to not have my subs playing if the cable box is sending out a surround signal.
Can any of you other UMC owners think of a way to do this? I could just leave my cable box set to stereo and then change it to surround for the once in a while that I want to use my subs and other speakers. But I was hoping that there was a "set it and forget it" type of solution.
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Post by jmilton on Feb 2, 2010 13:37:24 GMT -5
Is the UMC sending audio out via HDMI to the TV? Mute the UMC and turn on the TV speakers and switch to direct. Direct will bypass all processing. Stereo uses processing and subs if you do not have the subs turned off in the UMC setup menu. Otherwise, use stereo outs from the STB to the TV and never turn the UMC on at all... Why wouldn't you listen to TV via the surround setup? I have my TV speakers turned off...everything goes thru the UMC and sounds great. There is a whole world of "surround sound goodness" out there in TV Land!  |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 2, 2010 13:47:16 GMT -5
Yes, the UMC is sending audio to the TV via HDMI. I'll try muting the UMC, but I think that might mute the audio sent to the TV. But again, that's another step. I was hoping for a simpler solution.
Sorry, but I just don't see the point of watching the news or David Letterman with surround sound. Plus when commercials come on, it can get pretty loud.
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Post by DYohn on Feb 2, 2010 13:52:41 GMT -5
Yes, the UMC is sending audio to the TV via HDMI. I'll try muting the UMC, but I think that might mute the audio sent to the TV. But again, that's another step. I was hoping for a simpler solution. Sorry, but I just don't see the point of watching the news or David Letterman with surround sound. Plus when commercials come on, it can get pretty loud. Sounds like you're asking it to do things it is not intended for. If you want to watch TV with the surround system off, I suggest you turn the amps off that you don't want. If they have remote triggers the UMC-1 might be able to do it for you, but most likely if you want the big system on sometimes when you use any particular HDMI input but off other times when you're using the exact same HDMI input, you have set up a situation where you will have to switch amps on or off manually. We use the living room system on for any viewing and it is wonderful. Built-in TV speakers sound sucks.  |
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Post by bootman on Feb 2, 2010 13:53:24 GMT -5
Yes, the UMC is sending audio to the TV via HDMI. I'll try muting the UMC, but I think that might mute the audio sent to the TV. But again, that's another step. I was hoping for a simpler solution. Sorry, but I just don't see the point of watching the news or David Letterman with surround sound. Plus when commercials come on, it can get pretty loud. Easiest thing is to run component to the TV from the STB for just this purpose and shut off the UMC. |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 2, 2010 15:05:20 GMT -5
Easiest thing is to run component to the TV from the STB for just this purpose and shut off the UMC. I tried doing this and then got this weird situation where the amp wouldn't trigger on with one of my inputs. It doesn't make sense, I can't explain it, but it worked again when I disconnected the component cables. Some kind of weird HDCP issue. |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 2, 2010 15:09:24 GMT -5
Yes, the UMC is sending audio to the TV via HDMI. I'll try muting the UMC, but I think that might mute the audio sent to the TV. But again, that's another step. I was hoping for a simpler solution. Sorry, but I just don't see the point of watching the news or David Letterman with surround sound. Plus when commercials come on, it can get pretty loud. Sounds like you're asking it to do things it is not intended for. If you want to watch TV with the surround system off, I suggest you turn the amps off that you don't want. If they have remote triggers the UMC-1 might be able to do it for you, but most likely if you want the big system on sometimes when you use any particular HDMI input but off other times when you're using the exact same HDMI input, you have set up a situation where you will have to switch amps on or off manually. We use the living room system on for any viewing and it is wonderful. Built-in TV speakers sound sucks. As I said, watching the news in surround doesn't make sense to me. I think you're misunderstanding the issue. I do have 2 set-ups, 1 that triggers my amp to turn on when I want to watch TV with surround sound on, and 1 that doesn't. But no matter what TV input I am watching, the UMC-1 sends a signal to my subs, that the built in sub amps pick up. This causes the auto-on circuits on the subs to turn on. There's no way around this other than to physically disconnect my subs if I don't want them to play while watching TV. It's just the subs that have the issue. The rest of my HT speakers stay off because the XPA-5 is not getting triggered when I'm using set-up #1. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 2, 2010 15:33:35 GMT -5
Sounds like you're asking it to do things it is not intended for. If you want to watch TV with the surround system off, I suggest you turn the amps off that you don't want. If they have remote triggers the UMC-1 might be able to do it for you, but most likely if you want the big system on sometimes when you use any particular HDMI input but off other times when you're using the exact same HDMI input, you have set up a situation where you will have to switch amps on or off manually. We use the living room system on for any viewing and it is wonderful. Built-in TV speakers sound sucks. As I said, watching the news in surround doesn't make sense to me. I think you're misunderstanding the issue. I do have 2 set-ups, 1 that triggers my amp to turn on when I want to watch TV with surround sound on, and 1 that doesn't. But no matter what TV input I am watching, the UMC-1 sends a signal to my subs, that the built in sub amps pick up. This causes the auto-on circuits on the subs to turn on. There's no way around this other than to physically disconnect my subs if I don't want them to play while watching TV. It's just the subs that have the issue. The rest of my HT speakers stay off because the XPA-5 is not getting triggered when I'm using set-up #1. Unless your subwoofer amp has a 12V trigger input, like I said you'll have to manually turn it on and off if there are times you don't want it on. |
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Post by Mr. Ben on Feb 2, 2010 15:41:45 GMT -5
Easiest thing is to run component to the TV from the STB for just this purpose and shut off the UMC. I tried doing this and then got this weird situation where the amp wouldn't trigger on with one of my inputs. It doesn't make sense, I can't explain it, but it worked again when I disconnected the component cables. Some kind of weird HDCP issue. It seems like bootman's suggestion should work for you. Can you explain the problem you have when you tried it with a bit more detail? To rephrase bootman, you would have your connections like this: cable box -> [HDMI] -> UMC-1 -> [HDMI] to TV, [RCA] to XPA-5, [RCA] to sub, etc cable box -> [component+stereo RCA] -> TV You then set the TV to the component input to watch without surround sound, and leave the UMC-1 off. If you want surround, you set the TV to the HDMI input, and turn the UMC-1 on. |
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Post by electroman on Feb 2, 2010 15:45:11 GMT -5
Do you have a crossover set for the speakers (not full range)? what about extended bass? The trigger turned off probably doesn't change the crossover. You might want to try using the 7.1 inputs - this should bypass the crossover.
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Post by darien87 on Feb 2, 2010 16:07:12 GMT -5
I tried doing this and then got this weird situation where the amp wouldn't trigger on with one of my inputs. It doesn't make sense, I can't explain it, but it worked again when I disconnected the component cables. Some kind of weird HDCP issue. It seems like bootman's suggestion should work for you. Can you explain the problem you have when you tried it with a bit more detail? To rephrase bootman, you would have your connections like this: cable box -> [HDMI] -> UMC-1 -> [HDMI] to TV, [RCA] to XPA-5, [RCA] to sub, etc cable box -> [component+stereo RCA] -> TV You then set the TV to the component input to watch without surround sound, and leave the UMC-1 off. If you want surround, you set the TV to the HDMI input, and turn the UMC-1 on. Here's how I had it set up. Inputs on UMC -1HDMI 1 - PS3 HDMI 2 - Samsung BD player HDMI 3 - Cable box HDMI from UMC-1 to TV Before I noticed the issue with the subs, I was going Cable box via HDMI to UMC, UMC via HDMI to TV. Everything worked fine, other than the sub issue. I then changed it to this to try and avoid the sub issue. Inputs on UMC-1HDMI 1 - PS3 HDMI 2 - Samsung BD Player HDMI 3 - Cable box Cable box via component directly to TV HDMI from UMC-1 to TV Then all of a sudden, the amp wouldn't trigger on when the Samsung BD player was selected. It still triggered just fine with every other input. (Now that I think of it, the Samsung BD player and TV have a feature called "Anynet" that allows you to have the TV turn on when the BD player is turned on. Pointless for me as I use my Harmony One remote to control all of my units. I turned this feature off, but perhaps there is still some type of communication going on that the UMC-1 is picking up that was causing HDCP to kick in). |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 2, 2010 16:10:00 GMT -5
So it seems like the easiest thing to do is to just leave my cable box audio set to stereo, and then change it to surround on the few occasions that I want to use my HT for TV viewing.
Lame.
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Post by Mr. Ben on Feb 2, 2010 16:23:12 GMT -5
You could use a power strip with outlets controlled by a 12v trigger for your sub, like the APC C10 or Niles AC-3. This would effectively put your sub on a trigger.
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Post by moe on Feb 2, 2010 16:48:50 GMT -5
I run my cable box hdmi to tv,I run a digital coax from cable box to the umc1.I watch the news,no umc,I watch a movie on cable,turn on umc,dolby digital no problems.
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Post by satow on Feb 2, 2010 19:29:38 GMT -5
There are some circumstances where you would like to listen to just the TV speakers. Everyone is sleeping and you are awake watching the news or the late show. I don't want my surround sound system fully activated.
I'm still waiting on my UMC-1. The way I am going to set it up is to just manually turn the power amps on when needed - like on movie night. Other than that, I just want the UMC-1 to be a input switcher and pipe out pure stereo to my TV speakers.
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Post by darien87 on Feb 2, 2010 19:30:54 GMT -5
You could use a power strip with outlets controlled by a 12v trigger for your sub, like the APC C10 or Niles AC-3. This would effectively put your sub on a trigger. Unfortunately, I have 2 subs at different ends of the room. |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 2, 2010 19:32:24 GMT -5
I run my cable box hdmi to tv,I run a digital coax from cable box to the umc1.I watch the news,no umc,I watch a movie on cable,turn on umc,dolby digital no problems. Can you get a HD picture from a coax connection? |
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