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Post by moodyman on Feb 5, 2010 9:17:21 GMT -5
It now has a digital input so other devices can use its great DAC. How about it Emotiva??
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Post by sanjaygolf on Feb 5, 2010 10:04:38 GMT -5
Emotiva is already coming out with a DAC that utilizes the same DAC in the ERC-1. IMO it seems redundant to have both.
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Post by littlesaint on Feb 5, 2010 10:36:58 GMT -5
I think it's a great idea even if they also have a separate DAC. I'd much rather have a CD player that can also serve as a DAC than just a DAC. One less powered device, and why have 2 identical DACs, when you could just have one. I also found this a great feature of Cambridge CD players, who also make standalone DACs.
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 5, 2010 10:45:46 GMT -5
Emotiva is already coming out with a DAC that utilizes the same DAC in the ERC-1. IMO it seems redundant to have both. According to Lonnie the standalone DAC will be an improvement sonically on the ERC-1 DAC. |
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 5, 2010 18:57:37 GMT -5
I think it's a great idea even if they also have a separate DAC. I'd much rather have a CD player that can also serve as a DAC than just a DAC. One less powered device, and why have 2 identical DACs, when you could just have one. I also found this a great feature of Cambridge CD players, who also make standalone DACs. I agree that Emotiva would be well advised to offer the ERC-1 both with and without digital inputs to access the DAC. Many of their customers and potential customers would love to be able to choose the one that best fit their unique HT needs. I believe it would be a real money maker for Emotiva -- especially when you consider how easy it would be to add this capability to the existing design. Minimal incremental cost with great potential for another income stream. Sounds like a WIN-WIN situation. |
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Post by cheetah on Feb 6, 2010 12:17:51 GMT -5
I just don't see the point to them doing this. Running any device through a CD player to use it as a DAC kind of seems like jerry rigging things together, and they're already releasing a standalone DAC.
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Post by frankv on Feb 6, 2010 20:14:10 GMT -5
Depends on pricing. I'd pay another $100 for a combo unit for the convenience sake.
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Post by littlesaint on Feb 6, 2010 21:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by rygher3 on Feb 6, 2010 23:02:37 GMT -5
I just don't see the point to them doing this. Running any device through a CD player to use it as a DAC kind of seems like jerry rigging things together, and they're already releasing a standalone DAC. Yeah, makes sense for us to pay for two good DACs if we want a cd player as well? If you want your gear to look alike and still want that sound you in essence would have to pay for it twice. The only ways around that is either what the OP suggested or Emo comes out with a transport only CDP (which i don't see the latter happening for sure). |
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Post by robin on Feb 8, 2010 11:07:23 GMT -5
It would make little business sense to build another CD player with a DAC input at this point with a separate DAC on the way.
Separates are the way of high end audio. If anything, it would make more sense to make a cheaper CD transport only unit to be used with external DACs.
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Post by wowfactor on Feb 8, 2010 11:27:03 GMT -5
I would rather see Emo make a higher end stand alone DAC so I could use it on other equipment!
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 8, 2010 18:25:34 GMT -5
I would rather see Emo make a higher end stand alone DAC so I could use it on other equipment! Emotiva will be releasing their first separate DAC in short order. Lonnie is currently putting the pre-production unit through its paces to ensure it is ready for prime time. There is no need to view this debate on the ERC-1 Special Edition as an either or situation. You can always offer both an SE version and separate DACs. It would offer Emotiva a new income stream while satisfying the needs of another group of potential customers. The Cambridge CD offerings demonstrate that the demand for such a product is strong. Emotiva could tap this demand with little change to an existing product. It is a different group of people from those looking for the separate DAC solution. Why not satisfy both groups of customers? |
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Post by jedinite24 on Feb 8, 2010 19:59:50 GMT -5
Hi everyone
I understand the CD Transport to a separate DAC but I'm having trouble grasping this concept/benefit of the ERC-1 SE with a digital input. So an audio enthusiast has another CD transport plugs it into the ERC-1 SE and then the ERC-1's SE's DAC does the decoding and outputs to a preamp and so on and so forth.
Does anyone have a real-world example of how the Cambridge 840C or ERC-1 SE would be used?
Thx so much. JD
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Post by rygher3 on Feb 8, 2010 20:25:48 GMT -5
Hi everyone I understand the CD Transport to a separate DAC but I'm having trouble grasping this concept/benefit of the ERC-1 SE with a digital input. So an audio enthusiast has another CD transport plugs it into the ERC-1 SE and then the ERC-1's SE's DAC does the decoding and outputs to a preamp and so on and so forth. Does anyone have a real-world example of how the Cambridge 840C or ERC-1 SE would be used? Thx so much. JD The ERC-1 with digital input would allow any other device to utilize the ERC-1's DAC. One of the prime examples would be a laptop. |
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Post by wowfactor on Feb 8, 2010 21:14:15 GMT -5
I would rather see Emo make a higher end stand alone DAC so I could use it on other equipment! Emotiva will be releasing their first separate DAC in short order. Lonnie is currently putting the pre-production unit through its paces to ensure it is ready for prime time. There is no need to view this debate on the ERC-1 Special Edition as an either or situation. You can always offer both an SE version and separate DACs. It would offer Emotiva a new income stream while satisfying the needs of another group of potential customers. The Cambridge CD offerings demonstrate that the demand for such a product is strong. Emotiva could tap this demand with little change to an existing product. It is a different group of people from those looking for the separate DAC solution. Why not satisfy both groups of customers? I'm not speaking for everyone here but I really don't think there would be a large enough market to warrant an ERC-1 Special Edition  ... Lets face it... If I'm going to buy a DAC....I'm going to buy a DAC... ;)I for one would not want to be plugging into my ERC-1 and sharing the DAC with another unit.... The majority of people that would be looking at a Digital To Analog Converter are those people that already have some sort of unit already and they are looking to upgrade the DAC Section... Eg.... lower end CD players, DVD Players, Blue Ray, people using laptops for there music, etc.. Of course that is just MO |
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Post by cheetah on Feb 9, 2010 17:45:23 GMT -5
I just don't see the point to them doing this. Running any device through a CD player to use it as a DAC kind of seems like jerry rigging things together, and they're already releasing a standalone DAC. Yeah, makes sense for us to pay for two good DACs if we want a cd player as well? If you want your gear to look alike and still want that sound you in essence would have to pay for it twice. The only ways around that is either what the OP suggested or Emo comes out with a transport only CDP (which i don't see the latter happening for sure). Emotiva has already stated that their standalone DAC will have sonic benefits over the DAC inside the ERC-1. Even if they added a digital input, that's only one device. Most of us have a lot more than one device so it only makes sense to just use the DAC, which will have multiple inputs. The only reason I see to have an input on a CD player to try to use it as a DAC is if you're on a tight budget and can't afford a standalone DAC. If they're going to market this special edition CD player, we can assume there'd be a price increase, so I would only assume it'd be at least $450 at that point. So it would make more sense to buy the actual DAC at $299 and then get a cheap CD transport, which would be cheaper, likely sound better, and have more functionality. Doesn't make much marketing sense for Emotiva to have to face the production costs of another product that doesn't really have a place in the whole scheme of things. If they're creating a new CD player, it would only make sense for it to be a basic CD transport to use alongside their DAC. If I'm buying a CD player, I'm buying it to play CD's, not to run iPod's through it. If I want something to function as a DAC, I'll do it right and buy an actual DAC. But to each his own I guess. |
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... Lets face it... If I'm going to buy a DAC....I'm going to buy a DAC... ;)I for one would not want to be plugging into my ERC-1 and sharing the DAC with another unit.... The majority of people that would be looking at a Digital To Analog Converter are those people that already have some sort of unit already and they are looking to upgrade the DAC Section... Eg.... lower end CD players, DVD Players, Blue Ray, people using laptops for there music, etc.. Of course that is just MO