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Post by jmilton on Feb 10, 2010 7:23:02 GMT -5
Lonnie- Question: The "old" version on the UMC, if in STEREO and going multi PCM, STEREO applied processing in multi channel. The "new" stereo is in 2 channel and if I send multi PCM now, it says DIRECT. Is DIRECT processing my multi PCM? If I choose STEREO for my multi PCM in the new updated version...it is down mixed into 2 channel with bass mgt. DIRECT implies that my multi PCM music is going into the UMC and no bass mgt. is being applied. Is that correct?
We are talking SACD surround and DVD-A surround via HDMI
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2010 7:55:21 GMT -5
Lonnie- Question: The "old" version on the UMC, if in STEREO and going multi PCM, STEREO applied processing in multi channel. The "new" stereo is in 2 channel and if I send multi PCM now, it says DIRECT. Is DIRECT processing my multi PCM? If I choose STEREO for my multi PCM in the new updated version...it is down mixed into 2 channel with bass mgt. DIRECT implies that my multi PCM music is going into the UMC and no bass mgt. is being applied. Is that correct? Your last point is correct. Lonnie said the "Direct" input is a straight path without bass mgt. |
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Post by jmilton on Feb 10, 2010 8:15:17 GMT -5
Lonnie- Question: The "old" version on the UMC, if in STEREO and going multi PCM, STEREO applied processing in multi channel. The "new" stereo is in 2 channel and if I send multi PCM now, it says DIRECT. Is DIRECT processing my multi PCM? If I choose STEREO for my multi PCM in the new updated version...it is down mixed into 2 channel with bass mgt. DIRECT implies that my multi PCM music is going into the UMC and no bass mgt. is being applied. Is that correct? Your last point is correct. Lonnie said the "Direct" input is a straight path without bass mgt. Then how do I process multi channel PCM (SACD or DVD-A) via HDMI now since the upgrade is stereo (2 channel) only? The "old stereo" at least played in multi channel and included processing. |
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Post by dkjohn on Feb 10, 2010 8:30:28 GMT -5
I finally got the upgrade to work but it was on my wifes computer running vista I tried a number of things and honestly don't know what I did to get it to work I have 4 computers in the house 2 windows7, 1 Vista, and an older desktop computer running XP the software runs fine but getting the other computers to find the UMC was not happening I install and uninstalled followed the directions to the letter and still had a red x in the communication box keeps saying drivers are not installed or cannot find hardware.
I even down loaded the newest drivers for the USBExpess and still no luck I am trying to find the problem because if there is another upgrade I want to be ready shipping back to EMO from Canada is a pain in the a$$ just to upgrade the firmware.
So I do have the upgrade but am screwed if I have to do it again. I have never had this much trouble upgrading a piece of equipment via computer the connection seems a little loose on the UMC also maybe it just my cables I tried 3 just curious why did they use the connection they did on the unit it self why not type A on both ends.
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Post by gocolts on Feb 10, 2010 8:34:37 GMT -5
Your last point is correct. Lonnie said the "Direct" input is a straight path without bass mgt. Then how do I process multi channel PCM (SACD or DVD-A) via HDMI now since the upgrade is stereo (2 channel) only? The "old stereo" at least played in multi channel and included processing. Good question. Considering I'm using a PS3 to watch Blu-Rays via PCM audio, this is sorta important to understand. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2010 8:50:28 GMT -5
Your last point is correct. Lonnie said the "Direct" input is a straight path without bass mgt. Then how do I process multi channel PCM (SACD or DVD-A) via HDMI now since the upgrade is stereo (2 channel) only? The "old stereo" at least played in multi channel and included processing. I don't know. Hopefully Lonnie will chime in. |
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Post by venaka on Feb 10, 2010 9:19:06 GMT -5
Guys with firmware updates that use the printer style usb cable, you must do every step to a "T". Powering Cycles and connecting and disconnecting the usb cabe are very important. Must be done in the order the instructions say. If any instruction is reversed, you will have a problem.
Make sure you guys turn off all your firewalls/antiviruses. check..Make sure all the items on the right side (start menu) of the desktop are off!..very important.Just right click on them and turn off.
USB cables are very picky, make sure U have a nice 3-4 foot cable. My neigbor had an old 10 foot cable, and I didnt even try it..
Make sure screensavers do not pop up..
Trust me I did it for my neigbor using vista 32 laptop and mine as well, with no issues..Have the pdf instructions minimized while you do it, and look at it.
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Post by robfive on Feb 10, 2010 9:23:23 GMT -5
Last night I was able to get everything installed and uploaded in 15-20 minutes including printing out the pdf instructions. It worked on the first try. I used a fairly new 32-bit laptop with XP, logged in as the administrator, and had all external connectivity switched off (wifi, bluetooth, etc.). Following the instructions was pretty straight forward.
I have not had time to go through the set up after switching to factory default settings but the install was painless enough for me. I cannot comment on the EMO-Q functionality before and after the update because I do not plan to ever use that feature.
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Post by Woodpecker on Feb 10, 2010 9:36:11 GMT -5
In my particular instance, Windows 7 x86, no problems installing, no problems connecting to UMC-1, no problems updating UMC-1. At the risk of being slammed, a lot of these posts, I'm viewing seem to have the lack of general computing common sense being used. 1. x64 OS'es, why?, you'all already, or should know that you are driver sensitive. 2. Mac with VM instances, why?, same as x64, drivers 3. Performing firmware updates with questionable power sources and long cables, why? There was a statement that most businesses are still running XP, that would be correct. Healthcare and manufacturing industries are the big examples. I would think most on this forum are techies, do you really not have an old computer in the closet with XP? A cheap Celeron notebook? Or for the venturous, multiple boot disks for those HackinTosh's? I understand the problem of having 1 computer and it's on the other side of the house. I'm currently on my 2008 Server x64 (workstation mode), which is my primary computer. Yes I did have the thought of cr@p, how am I going to connect to the UMC-1's USB port on the other side of house. For me, it was duh!!!, I have an HTPC with Windows 7 x86 sitting right next to the UMC-1. And I have a 3 year old notebook with XP in the garage that's used for OBDII auto diagnostics. And if I didn't have those, there's the XP laptop from work I could use. Sorry, but I had to post this. Lonnie, Dan and group seem to be have taken a beating for giving you a hammer to use and you'all hit your thumb with it. If they gave me a hammer, I'd hit my 64 bit POS with it! I've hit enough nails to know how not to hit my thumb.  At the time(2 years ago) I didn't realize the 64 bit OS would be such a nightmare. I've tried multiple cables, and every combination possible to try and get my computer to recognize the UMC. There is not a lack of general computing sense, but rather a hard time getting a machine doing what it is supposed to do. I will however equip it with another OS as not to have such problems in the future. Sorry, I do not have a closet full of old PC's... |
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Feb 10, 2010 9:38:40 GMT -5
Regarding the USB, another thought that came to mind, in most cases the USB ports on the front panel have much less power supply potential. Use the ones on the back that come straight off the main board - especially important with longer cables.
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Post by bobbart on Feb 10, 2010 9:44:56 GMT -5
I used my xp desktop and used a usb extension cat5 extender adapter. The cat5 was over 30 ft long it worked with no problems.
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Post by closetscifigeek on Feb 10, 2010 10:06:06 GMT -5
Ran EMO-Q after a successful update. Here are my findings:
1) The Equalizer outputs made a definite positive impact on sound and make sense to me.
2) The SPL Levels do not make sense to me. I am running 89db/watt left and right speakers and a 96db/watt center channel(not really a good match, but I am finishing the DIY center channel that matches the front Zaph ZDT3.5's). What I ended up with was -3db on left/rights and +3.5db on center channel. This was very unbalanced. Also the surrounds(4xERD-1's also 89db/watt) were set at -8db which was far too muted. I was able to reset all these levels manually and am very happy with it, but EMO-Q should have done this for me correctly.
3) The crossover setpoints do not make sense to me either. My front left/rights have a -3db down point at 42hz. EMO-Q set their crossovers at 20hz right channel and 250hz left channel. My sub/center/surrounds it set reasonable values that I kept. I changed my left/rights to 45hz and they seem to blend well with the sub so once again I am happy, but EMO-Q should have done this for me.
All told I am satisfied even if Emotiva doesn't fix these issues because I can set SPL levels with my own meter(old school I know) and crossovers by ear. The EQ working properly is a boon and my system sounds better. My daughter(a 15 year old budding audiophile) who did not know that I had updated and changed things mentioned that the audio system sounded especially good after the changes.
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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 10, 2010 10:15:01 GMT -5
Ran EMO-Q after a successful update. Here are my findings: 1) The Equalizer outputs made a definite positive impact on sound and make sense to me. 2) The SPL Levels do not make sense to me. I am running 89db/watt left and right speakers and a 96db/watt center channel(not really a good match, but I am finishing the DIY center channel that matches the front Zaph ZDT3.5's). What I ended up with was -3db on left/rights and +3.5db on center channel. This was very unbalanced. Also the surrounds(4xERD-1's also 89db/watt) were set at -8db which was far too muted. I was able to reset all these levels manually and am very happy with it, but EMO-Q should have done this for me correctly. 3) The crossover setpoints do not make sense to me either. My front left/rights have a -3db down point at 42hz. EMO-Q set their crossovers at 20hz right channel and 250hz left channel. My sub/center/surrounds it set reasonable values that I kept. I changed my left/rights to 45hz and they seem to blend well with the sub so once again I am happy, but EMO-Q should have done this for me. All told I am satisfied even if Emotiva doesn't fix these issues because I can set SPL levels with my own meter(old school I know) and crossovers by ear. The EQ working properly is a boon and my system sounds better. My daughter(a 15 year old budding audiophile) who did not know that I had updated and changed things mentioned that the audio system sounded especially good after the changes. Emo-Q seems to be broken. There are several other threads in which practically every poster is noting incorrect EQ values... |
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Post by jimbailey on Feb 10, 2010 11:11:34 GMT -5
Mac update: I'm trying to get the update to work via Parallels 5 and Windows 7 32-bit. I updated the drivers to 3.2.1. I've disabled everything I can find in Windows including networking, firewalls, etc. Using a very short (~2') USB cable. Amazingly, I got the firmware update to work (15 minutes of high anxiety!) But no luck with the MCO update after many reboot cycles and retries. Always fails after 2:03 minutes or so of "erasure chip @4." Anyone have any additional ideas?
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Post by alhull on Feb 10, 2010 12:13:26 GMT -5
I have a fairly old laptop with WinXP that was going insane with all the virus scan updates, etc, and I couldn't get it to stop accessing the hard drive, so I booted into Safe Mode (F8). I bought a used USB cable last night from my local computer store for $4. Installed the updater, then ran the process. First time around it failed the USB connection. Rebooted the laptop and power cycled the UMC-1.
2nd attempt was successful. As others have noted, the Inputs are all scrambled after this update with gibberish showing up. Lonnie - the program does not appear to preserve your settings. So I did the Load Defaults and went through and reset everything.
So far, it looks like the video rez lock is fixed, which was my big gripe. I will be trying out the multi-channel analog later today with some SACD's and DVD-A's. 2-ch CDs next.
My sub is out of commision for another couple days so I'm holding off trying to run Emo-Q. I just guestimated my speaker settings for now.
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Post by brettjb on Feb 10, 2010 12:14:54 GMT -5
wow.. Finally able to load the new code for the system. I confirmed that my new firmware version is 5.46.07.. Had to load each file individually in the updater. So, my question is how do I confirm that the front panel micro-controller (UMC1_V102_001) code updated correctly? Lonnie can probably better answer this, but I know in my case I could only get the MCU firmare to update correctly at first, and this would not allow my system to boot (Stuck in "Loading..." forever). Once I got the HDMI firmware to go, I was back in business. So I think the fact that your UMC starts up correctly with the new HDMI firmware is evidence that your MCU firmware also updated. |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 10, 2010 12:22:10 GMT -5
Guys with firmware updates that use the printer style usb cable, you must do every step to a "T". Powering Cycles and connecting and disconnecting the usb cabe are very important. Must be done in the order the instructions say. If any instruction is reversed, you will have a problem. I don't think there is any step where you are instructed to remove the USB cable. I know I never did. It took me about 5 tries, but finally it worked. I kept getting that "Send 0 response" whatever error. I just kept clicking start and screaming obsenities at my laptop in frustration. I didn't change anything, it just worked the last time for some reason. |
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Post by rk1981 on Feb 10, 2010 12:32:06 GMT -5
Regarding the USB, another thought that came to mind, in most cases the USB ports on the front panel have much less power supply potential. Use the ones on the back that come straight off the main board - especially important with longer cables. Mine had actually turned itself off and wouldn't power on at all. After I changed USB ports it came back to life, but still hasn't installed the updates. I'm going to ditch this laptop, get a new short printer cable, then switch to my desktop and try the "turn everything off " approach discussed above. If that and a USB driver update doesn't do it, I'll be out of ideas. |
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Post by brettjb on Feb 10, 2010 12:32:16 GMT -5
I don't think there is any step where you are instructed to remove the USB cable. I know I never did. It took me about 5 tries, but finally it worked. I kept getting that "Send 0 response" whatever error. I just kept clicking start and screaming obsenities at my laptop in frustration. I didn't change anything, it just worked the last time for some reason. This was my experience as well (the obscenities and last time just working for some strange reason...)  The only point in the directions to remove the USB is step 19 (i.e. after both updated complete successfully, and you're preparing to reboot the UMC...). Unless I'm missing something in my directions... |
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Post by dkjohn on Feb 10, 2010 12:50:32 GMT -5
Ok guys I have a ? I know when you want a 5.1 signal to be 7.1 you engage DPIIx but if the disc is native 7.1 do you have to use DPIIx also I was playing with a native 7.1 BD disc and could only engage the rear speakers by adding DPIIx do I have to go to the disc setup and choose DTS 7.1 or does it default I can only see 7.1 when the disc is first started after that it shows 3+2 and LFE also when I choose DPIIx it does not show if the rear speakers have been activated.
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At the time(2 years ago) I didn't realize the 64 bit OS would be such a nightmare. I've tried multiple cables, and every combination possible to try and get my computer to recognize the UMC. There is not a lack of general computing sense, but rather a hard time getting a machine doing what it is supposed to do. I will however equip it with another OS as not to have such problems in the future. Sorry, I do not have a closet full of old PC's... 
