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Post by moe on Feb 15, 2010 11:11:56 GMT -5
you dont have a umc, ur done already..nail+hammer=done.  assumptions, you know what they are. OK, the maturity level on this forum from select members makes me laugh at times . Assumptions? Maybe you are not reading the recent posts here regarding Emo-Q  . I'm done, mind telling me why that is. So someone is not supposed to comment on the UMC-1 if they do not own one? If I was here going on about how great the UMC-1 is or slamming Denon, Marantz, Onkyo or Pioneer that would be no problem right . Bill I don't know that you've helped bring the maturity level up??? Maybe you could point at your post complaining about the Onkyos and all their issues,please do?cause I know they've got em',I got a broke one,or two.Burned out channels in one and burned out hdmi in another.I hate Onkyo and Denon room correction,I don't surf the internet crying about it,I just don't use it.I suppose I could visit every forum and whine endlessly and people would think it's got widespread problems.I don't know it's got widespread problems,it just makes my gear sound like crap,don't work for me. |
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Post by billmac on Feb 15, 2010 11:59:38 GMT -5
I don't believe I said that I did . I believe I have said many times here and at AVS that Onkyo AVR/prepros have had their share of issues. Also that the service for the most part from Onkyo is non existent. If you want the specific posts find them yourself . I have also suggested Emotiva amps and the USP-1 to many people. Of course thats fine but post negative factual thoughts on a feature of an Emotiva product is totally different though right. Thats too bad you have had issues with Onkyo components. From what I have read you are not alone in that regard. I have been very lucky with the three Onkyos I have owned, not a single problem. But I knock on wood as I have friends that have not been as lucky with Onkyo components . You seem to express quite a bit of anger towards Audyssey are you sure you calibrated your system properly? Maybe not but you are posting your thoughts here. You seem quite upset about it though, would you like a tissue . So when someone visits here and questions the workings of a feature on the UMC-1 they are whining? I believe what I have stated is fact by the many posts here from UMC-1 owners that have had issues with Emo-Q. My opinion is that the system has issues whether it is a software or mic related issues. Now are you and others here saying myself and others do not have the right to express their thoughts on Emo-Q here on this forum? I have a lot of respect for Emotiva, Dan L., Lonnie and Dann for answering many tough questions on the UMC-1 by many members here. Both Dan L. and Dann have answered several questions I have asked in a civil and respectful manner. It is the select few members here that feel that they can dictate what other members say here especially if it is negative that I have no respect for. They know who they are as do others who visit here. I actually got a PM from one of these individuals that was so bizarre and off the wall that it was sad. I have also received PMs from other members here some long time members that have said they are also tired of the obsessive "Fanboism". To be a fan for a specific companies products is great but when it becomes obsessive then it is a little too much IMO. Bill |
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Post by Woodpecker on Feb 15, 2010 12:56:12 GMT -5
Maybe not but you are posting your thoughts here. You seem quite upset about it though, would you like a tissue .Now that is maturity at its best. So when someone visits here and questions the workings of a feature on the UMC-1 they are whining? I believe what I have stated is fact by the many posts here from UMC-1 owners that have had issues with Emo-Q. My opinion is that the system has issues whether it is a software or mic related issues. Now are you and others here saying myself and others do not have the right to express their thoughts on Emo-Q here on this forum?It is kind of like telling someone a story and then they tell another and so on. The story usually ends up 'bloated' or wrong altogether. Honestly, how can you actually come here and critisize and/or compliment a product that just came out, and most importantly, one that you do not own yet? I don't mean that as a slam, but asking questions is one thing, critisizing is another. I have a lot of respect for Emotiva, Dan L., Lonnie and Dann for answering many tough questions on the UMC-1 by many members here. Both Dan L. and Dann have answered several questions I have asked in a civil and respectful manner.
It is the select few members here that feel that they can dictate what other members say here especially if it is negative that I have no respect for. They know who they are as do others who visit here.
BillAbsolutely. I agree 100%! The UMC-1 does in fact sound better and work a little smoother with the firmware upgrade. It seems that maybe the audio code section was more corrupt than expected. For some reason Dolby D sounds way better than before. So does the rest for that matter, to my ears atleast. It is obvious though that EMO-Q does not work properly. If anyone has had it work right, there are atleast as many reports on this board that say otherwise. After trying multiple times, the values for X'over, distance, and phase are obviously wrong. Now on the EQ side of things, I think it is fairly close. I've used ADSY many times on Onkyos. There was not any feature to allow you to 'see' what the auto correction had done. With that said, how does anyone really know that their room correction was really working without an RTA? That is what EMO-Q has going for it. Atleast you can go in and correct what it obviously cannot measure accurately yet. Yes it should work as advertised, but I can live without it doing what I and most here will do anyway; maually set it up and tweak from there. I believe the problem lies either within the mic or software and possibly both. Well, that's my 2 pennys worth on the firmware upgrade, + another dimes worth of IMHO's  |
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 15, 2010 12:59:50 GMT -5
No I do not own the UMC-1. Yes I did base my thoughts on what I have read here (as many others do as well) and what I have read the general consenus is that Emo-Q in its present form is not working correctly. Only a diehard Emotiva fan would not admit that Emo-Q does not have serious issues. Could be that I missed some posts of people having issues with MCACC and Audyssey but as I said I have not seen the issues I mentioned in my earlier post. I must have missed the posts of Emo-Q working flawlessly. I have seen posts of UMC-1 owners getting good results but then if they did another calibration the results were totally different than the calibration they just took. Then doing a third calibration the results were totally different from the first two calibrations. This clearly shows that there are serious issues with the Emo-Q system. Again the consenus I see here is that most UMC-1 owners who bought the UMC-1 expecting Emo-Q to work consistently without having to take the time to RTA their systems are disappointed. I also read quite a bit about Audyssey when I felt I was not using the system correctly. The one thing I never read was someone doing multiple calibrations one after another from the same exact mic location and getting totally different results everytime. By that I do not mean slightly different SPL levels, speaker distances or crossover differences. I mean one measurement with speakers not used being shown, huge differences in crossover settings and speaker distances. I also have read of some taking measurements with no phase issues than they take another measurement and there are phase issues. I understand fully that there is no perfect auto room correction system. Whether someone is happy with the way an automated calibration system calibrates their system or whether they prefer to tweak it more is all a matter of preference. What I think most people expect is consistent results and that is not what Emo-Q is capable of doing from what I have read. If you are not understanding that then you are not reading the posts here about Emo-Q in this forum. Bill Sorry but my yamaha`s auto correction does the same thing as I hear Emo-Q does it never gives me the same results form fist to last not even close I have to try 3 to 6 times till I get a reasonable/close enough correction/reading that I can start with but I always have to go in after words and tweak everything further , auto Eq never gets it right the first or last time but it can get you to a reasonable/close enough starting point that may save you some time then from starting from scratch like starting with out auto EQ in the first place but that`s debatable, but one thing I`m suer of even though I do not have the UMC is it gives you a lot of powerful tools so you can manually tweak like no other pre/pro on the market and to me that gives it tremendous value IMHO. with or with out auto-EQ |
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Post by hogweed75 on Feb 15, 2010 14:18:17 GMT -5
The UMC-1 does in fact sound better and work a little smoother with the firmware upgrade. It seems that maybe the audio code section was more corrupt than expected. For some reason Dolby D sounds way better than before. So does the rest for that matter, to my ears atleast. It is obvious though that EMO-Q does not work properly. If anyone has had it work right, there are atleast as many reports on this board that say otherwise. After trying multiple times, the values for X'over, distance, and phase are obviously wrong. Now on the EQ side of things, I think it is fairly close. I've used ADSY many times on Onkyos. There was not any feature to allow you to 'see' what the auto correction had done. With that said, how does anyone really know that their room correction was really working without an RTA? That is what EMO-Q has going for it. Atleast you can go in and correct what it obviously cannot measure accurately yet. Yes it should work as advertised, but I can live without it doing what I and most here will do anyway; maually set it up and tweak from there. I believe the problem lies either within the mic or software and possibly both. Well, that's my 2 pennys worth on the firmware upgrade, + another dimes worth of IMHO's I completely agree on the emo-q change-ability. I like that you can do a quick run through with emo-q and then go in and make some corrections and fine tune things according to your personal taste and be able to see and hear what you've done. I'm really getting a fantastic sound and wonderful spatial effects on surround. Except for loosing lock on multi ch. LPCM when you skip or fast forward everything else is working very well. I think with a bit of fine tuning on the firmware and we'll have an outstanding unit, especially for the money. I'm excited to hear what the XMC will sound like with improved DAC's and analog section! That should be amazing! |
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Post by bootman on Feb 15, 2010 15:00:49 GMT -5
I'm excited to hear what the XMC will sound like with improved DAC's and analog section! That should be amazing! Which reminds me, what is the official status of the XMC?  |
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Post by lonnie on Feb 15, 2010 15:15:08 GMT -5
I'm excited to hear what the XMC will sound like with improved DAC's and analog section! That should be amazing! Which reminds me, what is the official status of the XMC? At present, it is on hold while I am checking into the reported issues to see what are real and need to be addressed and what are just operational issues and or user issues. But I will get back on it as soon as I move through these. |
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Post by mlkmgr on Feb 15, 2010 15:15:37 GMT -5
It is obvious though that EMO-Q does not work properly. If anyone has had it work right, there are atleast as many reports on this board that say otherwise. After trying multiple times, the values for X'over, distance, and phase are obviously wrong. Now on the EQ side of things, I think it is fairly close. well, according to Lonnie, it must be your room that has issues and according to Dann G, if you are unhappy, return it. yes i am being a smart azz, but seriously these are some of the replies that are being given by company spokesman. a simple "hey, it still has some minor bugs we are working out, hang in there" rather than these types of replies may help settle the debate on usability. i can understand their frustration as much as the end users, but a little more tact from the company could go a long way to help minimize this fiasco. i for one am hoping emo-q and any of the other bugs do get worked out as this is a very exciting product at this price point. i am a huge fan of onkyo/integra but if i can obtain a pre/pro for a lower cost with just about as many usable functions, i am all for it. |
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Post by moe on Feb 15, 2010 15:15:38 GMT -5
I don't believe I said that I did . I believe I have said many times here and at AVS that Onkyo AVR/prepros have had their share of issues. Also that the service for the most part from Onkyo is non existent. If you want the specific posts find them yourself . I have also suggested Emotiva amps and the USP-1 to many people. Of course thats fine but post negative factual thoughts on a feature of an Emotiva product is totally different though right. Thats too bad you have had issues with Onkyo components. From what I have read you are not alone in that regard. I have been very lucky with the three Onkyos I have owned, not a single problem. But I knock on wood as I have friends that have not been as lucky with Onkyo components . You seem to express quite a bit of anger towards Audyssey are you sure you calibrated your system properly? Maybe not but you are posting your thoughts here. You seem quite upset about it though, would you like a tissue . So when someone visits here and questions the workings of a feature on the UMC-1 they are whining? I believe what I have stated is fact by the many posts here from UMC-1 owners that have had issues with Emo-Q. My opinion is that the system has issues whether it is a software or mic related issues. Now are you and others here saying myself and others do not have the right to express their thoughts on Emo-Q here on this forum? I have a lot of respect for Emotiva, Dan L., Lonnie and Dann for answering many tough questions on the UMC-1 by many members here. Both Dan L. and Dann have answered several questions I have asked in a civil and respectful manner. It is the select few members here that feel that they can dictate what other members say here especially if it is negative that I have no respect for. They know who they are as do others who visit here. I actually got a PM from one of these individuals that was so bizarre and off the wall that it was sad. I have also received PMs from other members here some long time members that have said they are also tired of the obsessive "Fanboism". To be a fan for a specific companies products is great but when it becomes obsessive then it is a little too much IMO. Bill Bill,I'm not upset at all.I do however wonder why someone that does not own a unit complains more than all the ones that do put together,it's a legitimate curiosity.I said nothing about your right here or to complain,(only the motive?)you're as welcome as me,I'm sure.I see nothing wrong with a friendly discussion of all issues,done in the spirit of making things better,in a friendly way.I still find it curious that you're obcessed with every little thing that could be negative and there's NO way you can post positive as you don't have one to judge.So,it appears you see no positive,only negative,no balance. I try to dwell on positives,some dwell on negatives.I have every confidence the emoq will be tweeked to do the best it can,it will always be short of perfect,enough to send some over the edge.It don't matter to me cause it sounds great with no eq at all in my room.If I had a room so bad I depended on a system to solve it,I'd move.I don't have to have it done yesterday,I'm willing to give Emotiva the bennefit of the doubt,and time needed.That's just me,ymmv...... |
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Post by lonnie on Feb 15, 2010 15:33:42 GMT -5
It is obvious though that EMO-Q does not work properly. If anyone has had it work right, there are atleast as many reports on this board that say otherwise. After trying multiple times, the values for X'over, distance, and phase are obviously wrong. Now on the EQ side of things, I think it is fairly close. well, according to Lonnie, it must be your room that has issues and according to Dann G, if you are unhappy, return it. yes i am being a smart azz, but seriously these are some of the replies that are being given by company spokesman. a simple "hey, it still has some minor bugs we are working out, hang in there" rather than these types of replies may help settle the debate on usability. i can understand their frustration as much as the end users, but a little more tact from the company could go a long way to help minimize this fiasco. i for one am hoping emo-q and any of the other bugs do get worked out as this is a very exciting product at this price point. i am a huge fan of onkyo/integra but if i can obtain a pre/pro for a lower cost with just about as many usable functions, i am all for it. Given the lack of information in most post other than these figures can't be right, so it must be broken and the unknown variables as in room configurations, mic placements, etc. It is very difficult to determine what is trully an issue that needs to be resolved and what is not. Some have given very good details and I am currently looking into what I can but at this time, I can tell you that the system is solid from my testing and have not found the issues some have reported. This is by no means the final word on it as I am continuing to look into this to try and first isolate the issue and second rectify it whether by better explanantions on how to use the system or by software depending on what I find. What I do know is this. In the lab, the theatre here and in multiple homes, I can run the system and get repeatable and correct results. This is a good place to start as it shows the system is running as designed. The next step is to try and isolate the variables that may cause anomolies and see how they affect the system. Further investigation is needed at this point. |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Feb 15, 2010 15:43:01 GMT -5
So would you like more info like Type of speakers and maybe pics of the room along with the settings the UMC-1 gets when it runs EMO-Q?
I don't have mine yet, so just wondering.
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Post by harmon on Feb 15, 2010 15:44:36 GMT -5
The UMC-1 does in fact sound better and work a little smoother with the firmware upgrade. It seems that maybe the audio code section was more corrupt than expected. For some reason Dolby D sounds way better than before. So does the rest for that matter, to my ears atleast. It is obvious though that EMO-Q does not work properly. If anyone has had it work right, there are atleast as many reports on this board that say otherwise. After trying multiple times, the values for X'over, distance, and phase are obviously wrong. Now on the EQ side of things, I think it is fairly close. I've used ADSY many times on Onkyos. There was not any feature to allow you to 'see' what the auto correction had done. With that said, how does anyone really know that their room correction was really working without an RTA? That is what EMO-Q has going for it. Atleast you can go in and correct what it obviously cannot measure accurately yet. Yes it should work as advertised, but I can live without it doing what I and most here will do anyway; maually set it up and tweak from there. I believe the problem lies either within the mic or software and possibly both. Well, that's my 2 pennys worth on the firmware upgrade, + another dimes worth of IMHO's Well put. I don't have a UMC-1 (wish I did), but it's pretty obvious from the postings on this forum that the inconsistencies and inaccuracies with Emo-Q is the remaining major bug of the unit. That would not be a deal breaker for me, but I think it makes the product's QC look suspicious to those considering buying one. Not to be overly negative but, I don't know how anyone can say that Emo-Q is consistently working as it's supposed to work. Way too many people have one front main xo'd at 20Hz and the other one xo'd at 250Hz. (There should be an internal check in the software to know that something is not right so that it would tell you to run it again instead of displaying those silly results.) Too many phantom speakers ID'd or real speakers not ID'd. Too many "out of phase" speakers, etc. I hope Emotiva comes out of denial on this and does one of three things: (1) make fixing Emo-Q so that it is more consistent and accurate a top priority; (2) scrap auto-setup on the UMC-1 altogether (don't know that this is a viable option at this point ... might have been do-able prior to product launch); or (3) license Audyssey or something similar that has a proven track record (this option has my vote). From what I've read the UMC-1 is an amazing piece of equipment for the price, and one that I hope to own myself soon. I just hate that its auto-setup program, which doesn't appear prime-time ready yet, is giving it a black eye in the audio community and with some of the company's customers. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 15, 2010 15:51:48 GMT -5
Given the lack of information in most post other than these figures can't be right, so it must be broken and the unknown variables as in room configurations, mic placements, etc. It is very difficult to determine what is trully an issue that needs to be resolved and what is not. Some have given very good details and I am currently looking into what I can but at this time, I can tell you that the system is solid from my testing and have not found the issues some have reported. This is by no means the final word on it as I am continuing to look into this to try and first isolate the issue and second rectify it whether by better explanations on how to use the system or by software depending on what I find. What I do know is this. In the lab, the theatre here and in multiple homes, I can run the system and get repeatable and correct results. This is a good place to start as it shows the system is running as designed. The next step is to try and isolate the variables that may cause anomalies and see how they affect the system. Further investigation is needed at this point. Lonnie, In my room the system gets repeatable results, it's just that those results are *very* dependent on microphone positioning. I can generate a wide variety of Xover and distance settings depending on pretty small mic position changes such as rotating the "mouth" (the electret diaphragm?) by 10 or so degrees toward or away from the front of the room, or by moving it by a foot or so right or left. The EQ function also has a few issues where the system seems to want to add boost in out-of pass-band frequencies. Plus the phase results are variable in the same mic position ways. In my book, these look like relatively minor software issues or perhaps microphone sensitivity issues. Me, I run Emo-Q then enter the system and adjust to my liking, but I can see how some users, especially those less familiar with making such adjustments, could find it "unusable" or at the very least confusing. Please don't limit our ability to manually make adjustments as this is where the real power of the system lies, IMO.  |
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Post by harmon on Feb 15, 2010 15:53:23 GMT -5
Given the lack of information in most post other than these figures can't be right, so it must be broken and the unknown variables as in room configurations, mic placements, etc. It is very difficult to determine what is trully an issue that needs to be resolved and what is not. Some have given very good details and I am currently looking into what I can but at this time, I can tell you that the system is solid from my testing and have not found the issues some have reported. This is by no means the final word on it as I am continuing to look into this to try and first isolate the issue and second rectify it whether by better explanantions on how to use the system or by software depending on what I find. What I do know is this. In the lab, the theatre here and in multiple homes, I can run the system and get repeatable and correct results. This is a good place to start as it shows the system is running as designed. The next step is to try and isolate the variables that may cause anomolies and see how they affect the system. Further investigation is needed at this point. Lonnie, Perhaps you should provide a list of precisely what info you need from people with squirrely Emo-Q results (yes, that's a technical term). It seems that it's more than an isolated problem when a number of people are getting huge differences in the xo values of their front main speakers (i.e., 20Hz on one and 250Hz on the other). Kudos on an excellent device. It's obvious that designing and manufacturing a pre-pro today is very complex and worlds different than what it was even 10 years ago. |
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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 15, 2010 15:53:46 GMT -5
Chalk up another EMO-Q failure. I recently got the unit and ran EMO-Q several times. Mic on the back of chair like suggested. It said that front three speakers were out of phase, all rear and subs in phase. It crossed the mains (rocket 850s) at 250hz, and center (rocket bigfoot) at 20. Rears (X-omnis) were crossed at 20hz and the sub was at 90. I watched all of Lonnie's videos and what he said did make sense. There is no doubt in my mind that the capability of this player with Emo support is tremendous, but values like those cannot simply be explained by room dynamics. There has to be a bug somewhere.
Audyssey, in contrast, nails the X-overs for all speakers EVERY single time, without fail. Whereas Emo-Q gave these values EVERY time. Yes, I understand that I could go through and set the X-overs correctly, but since the intial readings were so incorrect I do not have any confidence in the EQ settings. and YES, I COULD go out and buy an RTA and set the EQ myself, but that would defeat the entire point of Emo-Q. I would be 1000x happier if Emo would just say, "yep, it is a bug, please hold on while we find a fix" rather "its room dynamics, not the software". Too many of us have good experiences with other room correction software for it to be user error.
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Post by DYohn on Feb 15, 2010 15:56:47 GMT -5
Chalk up another EMO-Q failure. I recently got the unit and ran EMO-Q several times. Mic on the back of chair like suggested. It said that front three speakers were out of phase, all rear and subs in phase. It crossed the mains (rocket 850s) at 250hz, and center (rocket bigfoot) at 20. Rears (X-omnis) were crossed at 20hz and the sub was at 90. I watched all of Lonnie's videos and what he said did make sense. There is no doubt in my mind that the capability of this player with Emo support is tremendous, but values like those cannot simply be explained by room dynamics. There has to be a bug somewhere. Audyssey, in contrast, nails the X-overs for all speakers EVERY single time, without fail. Whereas Emo-Q gave these values EVERY time. Yes, I understand that I could go through and set the X-overs correctly, but since the intial readings were so incorrect I do not have any confidence in the EQ settings. and YES, I COULD go out and buy an RTA and set the EQ myself, but that would defeat the entire point of Emo-Q. I would be 1000x happier if Emo would just say, "yep, it is a bug, please hold on while we find a fix" rather "its room dynamics, not the software". Too many of us have good experiences with other room correction software for it to be user error. ripcordaff: In my testing the EQ is really accurate. it's just the Xover and phase measurements that seem to be having difficulty. |
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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 15, 2010 15:59:00 GMT -5
Chalk up another EMO-Q failure. I recently got the unit and ran EMO-Q several times. Mic on the back of chair like suggested. It said that front three speakers were out of phase, all rear and subs in phase. It crossed the mains (rocket 850s) at 250hz, and center (rocket bigfoot) at 20. Rears (X-omnis) were crossed at 20hz and the sub was at 90. I watched all of Lonnie's videos and what he said did make sense. There is no doubt in my mind that the capability of this player with Emo support is tremendous, but values like those cannot simply be explained by room dynamics. There has to be a bug somewhere. Audyssey, in contrast, nails the X-overs for all speakers EVERY single time, without fail. Whereas Emo-Q gave these values EVERY time. Yes, I understand that I could go through and set the X-overs correctly, but since the intial readings were so incorrect I do not have any confidence in the EQ settings. and YES, I COULD go out and buy an RTA and set the EQ myself, but that would defeat the entire point of Emo-Q. I would be 1000x happier if Emo would just say, "yep, it is a bug, please hold on while we find a fix" rather "its room dynamics, not the software". Too many of us have good experiences with other room correction software for it to be user error. ripcordaff: In my testing the EQ is really accurate. it's just the Xover and phase measurements that seem to be having difficulty. Well that is good news I suppose. I know what the correct X over values should be (phase is more complicated). I could set those myself. But what experiences are referring to that lead you believe the EQ is accurate? I think it would put alot of minds at ease if they could set crossovers and rest assured that the EQ values are correct. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 15, 2010 16:03:32 GMT -5
ripcordaff: In my testing the EQ is really accurate. it's just the Xover and phase measurements that seem to be having difficulty. Well that is good news I suppose. I know what the correct X over values should be (phase is more complicated). I could set those myself. But what experiences are referring to that lead you believe the EQ is accurate? I think it would put alot of minds at ease if they could set crossovers and rest assured that the EQ values are correct. As I described in my mini-review thread, I set up my RTA and watched the real-time effect of adjusting each Xover band manually. They were consistently accurate with a Q of about 1. |
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Post by Woodpecker on Feb 15, 2010 16:07:38 GMT -5
well, according to Lonnie, it must be your room that has issues and according to Dann G, if you are unhappy, return it. yes i am being a smart azz, but seriously these are some of the replies that are being given by company spokesman. a simple "hey, it still has some minor bugs we are working out, hang in there" rather than these types of replies may help settle the debate on usability. i can understand their frustration as much as the end users, but a little more tact from the company could go a long way to help minimize this fiasco. i for one am hoping emo-q and any of the other bugs do get worked out as this is a very exciting product at this price point. i am a huge fan of onkyo/integra but if i can obtain a pre/pro for a lower cost with just about as many usable functions, i am all for it. Given the lack of information in most post other than these figures can't be right, so it must be broken and the unknown variables as in room configurations, mic placements, etc. It is very difficult to determine what is trully an issue that needs to be resolved and what is not. Some have given very good details and I am currently looking into what I can but at this time, I can tell you that the system is solid from my testing and have not found the issues some have reported. This is by no means the final word on it as I am continuing to look into this to try and first isolate the issue and second rectify it whether by better explanantions on how to use the system or by software depending on what I find. What I do know is this. In the lab, the theatre here and in multiple homes, I can run the system and get repeatable and correct results. This is a good place to start as it shows the system is running as designed. The next step is to try and isolate the variables that may cause anomolies and see how they affect the system. Further investigation is needed at this point. Well I can tell you that my room is far from perfect without going into details. With that being known, I do not expect EMO-Q to fix what it inherently cannot. I do believe that it should be able to determine the most simplest of things being: distance, x-over, and phase. None of which it is doing, atleast on mine. And I do not have a mic placement issue. Secondly, come fairly close(within reason) to the EQ portion, which mine does. Lonnie, what types of scenarios(homes) were the UMC-1 tested in? I'm sure your lab and theater are pretty good rooms, but what about the oddballs? I think a fair majority of us here are using our living room as double duty for listening/movies. Most main living areas these days are arranged so that they are not so great with home audio. Maybe some of the anamolies are due to not being able to determine measurements with less than perfect room dimensions? |
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 15, 2010 16:24:51 GMT -5
you dont have a umc, ur done already..nail+hammer=done. assumptions, you know what they are. OK, the maturity level on this forum from select members makes me laugh at times . Assumptions? Maybe you are not reading the recent posts here regarding Emo-Q . I'm done, mind telling me why that is. So someone is not supposed to comment on the UMC-1 if they do not own one? If I was here going on about how great the UMC-1 is or slamming Denon, Marantz, Onkyo or Pioneer that would be no problem right . Bill Get real. Stop distorting what everyone posts. Read the entire post and take it in context. I know that is probably impossible for you to do, but give it a try. You, yourself, frequent respond to other people posting about products they don't own by telling them they should not be talking about a product they don't have. Are you someone special that you are allowed to do what you keep telling others they can't do? Forgive me, your Highness, I didn't realize you don't have to practice what you preach. Grow up. Everyone else on this forum has just as much right to state their opinions as you do. Who appointed you God of what can and cannot be posted? |
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. I'm done, mind telling me why that is. So someone is not supposed to comment on the UMC-1 if they do not own one? If I was here going on about how great the UMC-1 is or slamming Denon, Marantz, Onkyo or Pioneer that would be no problem right 
