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Post by uopdrmark on Feb 12, 2010 19:11:41 GMT -5
I recently was offered a friends DHC-40.1 for $900 and I'm really torn now between this and the UMC-1. My friend just got the unit and decided he is going to get the DHC-80.1 for a few different features. He takes good care of his stuff so to me it is as good as new. I guess the real question is if the difference in money wasn't a big deal would you get the integra or a umc?
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Post by snodog on Feb 12, 2010 20:54:59 GMT -5
what would you really gain from the Integra? One more HDMI port? Im not sure if the two channel would be better on this or the UMC? Seems like for 699 the UMC is such a great deal and you dont have something that looks like an AV receiver. Im sure it sounds great too though, I want great sound but am kind of a cosmetic person too as much as I hate to admit it, the EMo stuff looks really good too!, just my two cents.
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Post by jahays32 on Feb 12, 2010 22:13:40 GMT -5
I recently was offered a friends DHC-40.1 for $900 and I'm really torn now between this and the UMC-1. My friend just got the unit and decided he is going to get the DHC-80.1 for a few different features. He takes good care of his stuff so to me it is as good as new. I guess the real question is if the difference in money wasn't a big deal would you get the integra or a umc? $900.00 or $699.00 and a 5 year warranty  |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 12, 2010 22:19:30 GMT -5
If it was me, I would try an audition at home from these two Pre/Pros. And from there, I would pick the one that sounds best to my ears and the one that has the features that I can benefit the most. But like I said, "if it was me".  * Now, the true question is, are you me? ...Or are you like me? |
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Post by BillBauman on Feb 12, 2010 22:35:52 GMT -5
The DHC-40.1. I'll leave my reasoning at that.
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Post by billmac on Feb 12, 2010 22:39:17 GMT -5
$900.00 or $699.00 and a 5 year warranty How about $899.00 compared to $700.00 . The 40.1 has a 3 year warranty. I'm sure his friend could submit the 40.1 for warranty repairs if needed. I would say it is a tough choice but I would take the 40.1 as the OP can put that right into his system to see if he likes it. Then when the UMC-1 is available try that as well. Then he can decide which one is more to his liking  . Bill |
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Post by moodyman on Feb 12, 2010 22:47:36 GMT -5
what would you really gain from the Integra? One more HDMI port? Im not sure if the two channel would be better on this or the UMC? Seems like for 699 the UMC is such a great deal and you dont have something that looks like an AV receiver. Im sure it sounds great too though, I want great sound but am kind of a cosmetic person too as much as I hate to admit it, the EMo stuff looks really good too!, just my two cents. I have a UMC-1 on the way..but I was seriously considering the DHC 40.1. The things that I like about it: 1. Ethernet connection: -Allows streaming of audio files. Very cool. -Pandora, Rhapsody, vTuner & SIRIUS Internet Radio Support. Also very cool. -Allows Firmware updates. nuff said. 2. Front HDMI port 3. IPOD dock 4. Max volume power on settings 5. Room correction that, arguably, works. 6. THX cert. (ok..not that big of a deal) However...I wasn't crazy about the $1,000 (at least) street price....I also suspect the UMC will have better build quality, better analog stage, and probaly just sound better. If the UMC doesn't work out for me I may revisit the DHC 40. |
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Post by pmd918 on Feb 12, 2010 22:54:28 GMT -5
what would you really gain from the Integra? One more HDMI port? Im not sure if the two channel would be better on this or the UMC? Seems like for 699 the UMC is such a great deal and you dont have something that looks like an AV receiver. Im sure it sounds great too though, I want great sound but am kind of a cosmetic person too as much as I hate to admit it, the EMo stuff looks really good too!, just my two cents. I have a UMC-1 on the way..but I was seriously considering the DHC 40.1. The things that I like about it: 1. Ethernet connection: -Allows streaming of audio files. Very cool. -Pandora, Rhapsody, vTuner & SIRIUS Internet Radio Support -Allows Firmware updates. nuff said. 2. Front HDMI port 3. IPOD dock 4. Max volume power on settings 5. Room correction that, arguably, works. 6. THX cert. (ok..not that big of a deal) However...I wasn't crazy about the $1,000 (at least) street price....I also suspect the UMC will have better build quality, better analog stage, and probaly just sound better. If the UMC doesn't work out for me I may revisit the DHC 40. Your analysis is virtually identical to mine. I'm considering the same options. The only thing keeping me in line for the UMC-1 is the lower price and the potentially better SQ. Definitely a tough choice IMHO because you do get a lot more features for the extra $$. |
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Post by tchaik on Feb 12, 2010 23:40:46 GMT -5
i don't need anywhere near the features that either pre-pro has available. i don't do gaming, don't care about the wifi stuff, nor the ethernet port, or 50 year old port, or cabernet savignon for that matter. what i am interested in is the sound quality, video quality and ease of use. so... i will add my own question to this thread since i have received as of today my pre-order e-mail...
which of the two will give me the best sound quality, video quality and ease of use? i am beginning to get a little worried having read some of the threads about the emo-q and other such stuff.
tchaik.................
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Post by suffolk112000 on Feb 12, 2010 23:46:08 GMT -5
I recently was offered a friends DHC-40.1 for $900 and I'm really torn now between this and the UMC-1. My friend just got the unit and decided he is going to get the DHC-80.1 for a few different features. He takes good care of his stuff so to me it is as good as new. I guess the real question is if the difference in money wasn't a big deal would you get the integra or a umc? Couple of things. 1. Are you currently on the pre-order list for the UMC-1? Because if your not, then you will be waiting till April at the earliest. 2. It is wrong to say the UMC-1 will be $699. Unless something has changed, the price is most likely going up. How much is un-known. $750... $850... $999...? Like someone else has said, the 40.1 is here now so that should be weighed into your decision. Unless you are on the pre-order list, you have to wait. |
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Post by akbungle on Feb 12, 2010 23:51:29 GMT -5
which of the two will give me the best sound quality, video quality and ease of use? i am beginning to get a little worried having read some of the threads about the emo-q and other such stuff. Well from what I've been noticing is that everyone seems very impressed with the sound of the UMC-1 and no one is forcing people to use the Emo-Q feature. As far as video if I remember correctly the 40.1 is the lower end unit compared to the 80.1 so the UMC-1 should either be on par with the 40.1 or slightly better. Unfortunately I'm not saying any of this with any first hand knowledge but my UMC-1 is on the way.  |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 13, 2010 0:16:14 GMT -5
$900.00 or $699.00 and a 5 year warranty How about $899.00 compared to $700.00 . The 40.1 has a 3 year warranty. I'm sure his friend could submit the 40.1 for warranty repairs if needed. I would say it is a tough choice but I would take the 40.1 as the OP can put that right into his system to see if he likes it. Then when the UMC-1 is available try that as well. Then he can decide which one is more to his liking . Bill That's what I just said!  * Are all the Bills going Onk? |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 13, 2010 0:21:56 GMT -5
The DHC-40.1. I'll leave my reasoning at that. That's it! Not even a mention that it only have Audyssey MultEQ, and not MultEQ XT? And no Reon video processor either? Me, without XT, I'm nothing, but just a bum without a home, without a solid foundation to rely on, no wife to love me, no job, even less a boss... But then, it's just me. * Hey, Hi to you, the other Bill. |
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Post by snodog on Feb 13, 2010 1:08:03 GMT -5
I certainly wouldnt use the EmoQ as a dealbreaker because some people have had issues with it. There are already reports of it having improved dramatically after the FW update. It isn't like nothing wont get done about it if there are more problems either. Im sure there will be regular updates, not a big deal really, or no different than any other piece of equipment now. Like the one guy said, what do you want or expect for video performance and sound quality.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Feb 13, 2010 1:45:44 GMT -5
I'm not trying to start a flame fest, but I've listened to most the competitions processors and although I have a great deal of respect for these brands.. IMHO, we kill on SQ. Our video engine doesn't have to make any excuses either. I'm not trying to be a fan boy for my own products, but there is a reason we've gone to all of this trouble and expense. We could have very easily re-branded a unit from one of the big boys but this was a dead end for us, and none of the candidates gave us the design approach that we required on the analog side and the human interface layout. There were just too many things we didn't agree with on most of these products approach to design. Open up ANY unit from one of the big boys and the open up a UMC-1. This should tell you something about us and our approach to design and build quality. This is why we show the internal construction of every product we make. It matters to us and we believe it matters to you too. Some people see no difference between cars, they're just transportation and specs. on a sheet of paper. They give no value to the driving and owner experience. A Casio watch keeps great time, why bother with an IWC? Having said that, if you want endless features, plastic knobs, faux aluminum grained plastic or 1/16" faceplate's, there are plenty of other options for you. Also, you'll be able to buy a new model every six months just for the sake of having the latest and greatest. And you can watch YouTube on your SOA home theater system! We can't please everyone. BTW, there's a reason Mercedes is still in business... and don't get me started on Audyssey. Just MHO. Big Dan |
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Post by Bruce on Feb 13, 2010 6:05:47 GMT -5
+++1 BIG DAN I have purchased many of the BIG NAME BRANDS and they are just all right with all the new options and was not IMPRESSED with their sound quality.I have the UMC-1 and just did the firmware upgrade and this is one fine sounding processor for MUSICand FILM.I recalibrated with the new firmware and WOW this unit is fantastic{make sure you do a system reboot after installing new upgrade}.The price i paid for the UMC-1 none of the BIG BOYS can compare in sound and video quality to my UMC-1!!!!!
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Post by vthokies on Feb 13, 2010 8:26:21 GMT -5
I'm not trying to start a flame fest, but I've listened to most the competitions processors and although I have a great deal of respect for these brands.. IMHO, we kill on SQ. Our video engine doesn't have to make any excuses either. I'm not trying to be a fan boy for my own products, but there is a reason we've gone to all of this trouble and expense. We could have very easily re-branded a unit from one of the big boys but this was a dead end for us, and none of the candidates gave us the design approach that we required on the analog side and the human interface layout. There were just too many things we didn't agree with on most of these products approach to design. Open up ANY unit from one of the big boys and the open up a UMC-1. This should tell you something about us and our approach to design and build quality. This is why we show the internal construction of every product we make. It matters to us and we believe it matters to you too. Some people see no difference between cars, they're just transportation and specs. on a sheet of paper. They give no value to the driving and owner experience. A Casio watch keeps great time, why bother with an IWC? Having said that, if you want endless features, plastic knobs, faux aluminum grained plastic or 1/16" faceplate's, there are plenty of other options for you. Also, you'll be able to buy a new model every six months just for the sake of having the latest and greatest. And you can watch YouTube on your SOA home theater system! We can't please everyone. BTW, there's a reason Mercedes is still in business... and don't get me started on Audyssey. Just MHO. Big Dan Big Dan, you can open up that can of worms about Audyssey. I would love to hear your response. In my opinion Emo Q is just not that stable at the moment where is Audyssey is pretty rock solid. Please explain your reasoning for this comment. |
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Post by markd on Feb 13, 2010 8:26:33 GMT -5
I'm trying to make this choice too. While the UMC video scaler has the potential to be better, it isn't clear to me that enough of the functions are being exposed. Features not in moodymans list-
40.1 has
per-input ISF settings, night and day modes for each one.
per-input aspect ratio settings and control (important to me because my TV doesn't let me zoom on an HDMI input)
per-input scaling settings
firmware updates nearly transparent over ethernet
I expect the UMC has the edge on
sound quality
build quality
size
price
number of inputs
From the reports on the forum, I am not yet convinced that the FW on the UMC is ready for prime time.
40.1 has "clicking" issue when ffwd/skip on DVRs, and possibly mis-handles 23.98Hz.
Emotiva seems more likely to correct bugs with FW updates, but several users have had difficulty getting their units to update.
I've also looked a little at TX-NR807, which gives up the ISF settings (retains per input basic video settings), but that unit doesn't have triggers, so something else would be needed there. Brings the price closer though. Possible heating issues too.
Argh. No easy choice!
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Post by vthokies on Feb 13, 2010 8:30:01 GMT -5
I expect the UMC has the edge on sound quality build quality size price number of inputs From the reports on the forum, I am not yet convinced that the FW on the UMC is ready for prime time. 40.1 has "clicking" issue when ffwd/skip on DVRs, and possibly mis-handles 23.97Hz. Emotiva seems more likely to correct bugs with FW updates, but several users have had difficulty getting their units to update. I've also looked a little at TX-NR807, which gives up the ISF settings (retains per input basic video settings), but that unit doesn't have triggers, so something else would be needed there. Brings the price closer though. Possible heating issues too. Argh. No easy choice! [/quote] Sound quality is so personal. The UMC-1 probably will best the 40.1 in analogue but if the end user is going to go all digital it is not so clear cut and in fact the sound quality between the two will probably be equal especially in a double blind test. |
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Post by markd on Feb 13, 2010 9:53:08 GMT -5
Sound quality is so personal. The UMC-1 probably will best the 40.1 in analogue but if the end user is going to go all digital it is not so clear cut and in fact the sound quality between the two will probably be equal especially in a double blind test. All digital is a bit of a misnomer though- you still need to go analog to your pre-outs. . . power supplies and such look better in the UMC1. Although the engineer in me looks at the empty 40.1 chassis and says "hmm, I could put a couple of nice big toroid supplies in there..." |
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