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Post by snodog on Feb 15, 2010 21:49:57 GMT -5
I can tell you that the settings on the left surround speaker had no adjustments made whatsoever. My two fronts were a bit different too and the one had the last 5 or 6 frequency settings down about 4-5 below the line
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Post by billmac on Feb 15, 2010 21:57:07 GMT -5
Ok so this is kind of weird but here goes, in order to regain sound from the Oppo I had to use its remote to turn up the volume from zero then the output on the Umc kicked back on. I dont know why the hell that would affect it I was looking for a way to shut off the volume entirely on the oppo so it would just be sent to processor, anyone know how to do this? I thought I recalled that the volume should be kept at 100. Below is a link to the FAQ in the BDP-83 thread over at AVS. In the FAQ it mentions that if the volume is set to 0 it mutes all audio. Maybe this is the cause of the issue you are having. watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-83-faq.html#what-is-the-optimum-volume-setting-that-preserves-full-audio-dynamic-rangeBill |
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Post by pynchon on Feb 15, 2010 21:58:05 GMT -5
EmoQ is probably 'technically' being accurate - I'd manually set it at 150hz for your mains The speakers have a rated bass extension down to 35 Hz, why would you set them to 150? That is fine, they're still bookshelf which is why they likely were set that high, small box not ideal for lower freq - the nice paradigm subwoofer handles up to 150hz so I'd let it handle freq at and below that range - anyway I'd manually set mains and center at 150hz, pump up the sub and watch a movie like saving private ryan or something with a lot of bombing (Spielberg's munich?) - see if it sounds good. You can always set them lower, say 50hz - watch the same material (a couple of chapters of the film where things blow up) and see what you personally prefer. I'm sure I'll play around with emo q once I get mine, but my mains are about 4ft tall with passive subwoffers in them - I am guessing emo q sets them @ 100 or so. We'll see. |
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Post by snodog on Feb 15, 2010 22:01:43 GMT -5
thanks billmac, I guess that explains that, bizarre I would have thought you would want it at zero
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Post by snodog on Feb 15, 2010 22:24:07 GMT -5
I will probably re-run the EmoQ again maybe a couple of times but cant really do it until after work due to people living below me. I hate that its so loud but I suppose it has to be.
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Post by snodog on Feb 15, 2010 22:26:10 GMT -5
I think I put them to around 60hz or so and my sub at 70hz. Or should I put the sub at 60 as well? Does that help to make the transition of bass smoother?
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Post by ratmice on Feb 15, 2010 22:39:55 GMT -5
Ok so this is kind of weird but here goes, in order to regain sound from the Oppo I had to use its remote to turn up the volume from zero then the output on the Umc kicked back on. I dont know why the hell that would affect it I was looking for a way to shut off the volume entirely on the oppo so it would just be sent to processor, anyone know how to do this? I thought I recalled that the volume should be kept at 100. Below is a link to the FAQ in the BDP-83 thread over at AVS. In the FAQ it mentions that if the volume is set to 0 it mutes all audio. Maybe this is the cause of the issue you are having. watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-83-faq.html#what-is-the-optimum-volume-setting-that-preserves-full-audio-dynamic-rangeBill Bill is right. Volume of the Oppo should be at 100 and there is no maybe about it, that's the cause of your problems. |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 15, 2010 22:41:37 GMT -5
The speakers have a rated bass extension down to 35 Hz, why would you set them to 150? That is fine, they're still bookshelf which is why they likely were set that high, small box not ideal for lower freq - the nice paradigm subwoofer handles up to 150hz so I'd let it handle freq at and below that range - anyway I'd manually set mains and center at 150hz, pump up the sub and watch a movie like saving private ryan or something with a lot of bombing (Spielberg's munich?) - see if it sounds good. You can always set them lower, say 50hz - watch the same material (a couple of chapters of the film where things blow up) and see what you personally prefer. I'm sure I'll play around with emo q once I get mine, but my mains are about 4ft tall with passive subwoffers in them - I am guessing emo q sets them @ 100 or so. We'll see. Ah, thanks for the explanation. |
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Post by snodog on Feb 15, 2010 23:23:18 GMT -5
I changed them a bit, around 100 or so, Ill try it out but I dont like too much bass either its annoying in my small room. Now if I can figure out the right curves to round the sound all off together. I think it will be great if I can do that. One thing annoying is Dolby volume. What is the deal with it? I watched a concert and right where chorus is supposed to get a little louder it didnt and made the whole performance just seem flat. I turned it to low maybe that will help. Im sure watching tv it is great cutting out slap chop Vince late night though.
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Post by snodog on Feb 16, 2010 0:45:57 GMT -5
One thing very exciting for everyone Dolby true HD is amazing! Watch the new Star Trek movie and the sound will blow you away!
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 16, 2010 2:05:25 GMT -5
Ok so this is kind of weird but here goes, in order to regain sound from the Oppo I had to use its remote to turn up the volume from zero then the output on the Umc kicked back on. I dont know why the hell that would affect it I was looking for a way to shut off the volume entirely on the oppo so it would just be sent to processor, anyone know how to do this? Does your Oppo offer a "fixed" output level as an option? Frequently, you are presented with the option of choosing "fixed" or "variable". If you want the UMC-1 to solely control the volume level select the "fixed" option from the Oppo. |
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Post by snodog on Feb 16, 2010 2:26:34 GMT -5
No it sure doesnt and that is why I thought it seemed odd. I am used to seeing exactly that and dont see it here. Its all ok I have it working thanks to billmac for pointing it out.
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Post by jimsfield on Feb 16, 2010 10:43:07 GMT -5
Set the volume on the OPPO to 100 and leave it alone. That way it will not compress the volume and cause distortion and you can use the UMC to control the volume. If you set the volume in the OPPO to 0 it sends no sound to the UMC and there is no sound for the UMC to process and send on to your amp and then your speakers.
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Post by klinemj on Feb 16, 2010 18:39:50 GMT -5
snodog...now that it appears you have the input situation figured out, back to the x-over settings...
can you either re-look at them again or preferably take a shot of the screen to post (esp. for the fronts). If I understood Lonnie's video correctly, if Emo-Q finds a place that the dB level drops 3 or more from the next higher increment - Emo-Q would reco that place as the x-over point. If I further understand what the 11-channel graphic EQ display will show is places that Emo-Q hear things that need to be flattened out...so, if you see a 3 dB or more jump as you go from higher frequencies to lower ones - you know Emo-Q was suggesting pumping that frequency up by that amount in an attempt to get a flat response. This would be the indication of where Emo-Q would be recommending the x-over to be set. (Net, what you would see on the EQ screen is opposite how you might think about it...)
If that point aligns w/what Emo-Q reco'd as the x-over point, then Emo-Q did its job as Lonnie described. If not...then the software seems suspect.
Does this make sense to anyone but me or am I a loony? (OK, well, we know I am loony, but is my point making sense?)
Thx,
Mark
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Feb 16, 2010 19:04:04 GMT -5
I'm ready to get my UMC-1 so i can see what it says about my speakers and room. I'm thinking Lonnie has it dialed in so tight it wants everything perfect and if it's not it lets you know.
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Post by klinemj on Feb 16, 2010 19:34:23 GMT -5
My guess is that you are right AND that if you know what you are looking for - it will "tell" you. That you can tweek from there is super, IMHO...
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Post by snodog on Feb 16, 2010 20:21:32 GMT -5
Ok I cant take a screenshot because I dont have a camera at the time. Im not so sure about the accuracy of this. My left surround had absolutely no activity with the EmoQ. That is, nothing was altered, there were no decibal increases or decreases. It was just well, flatline. This seems a bit strange since all the other speakers were quite up and down. My mic was dead center of listening area and really no obstructions in the way as I eyeballed everything. The distances really are dead on. If I can figure out how to tweak the gains on frequency and understand that better I will dial it in and leave it.
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Post by klinemj on Feb 16, 2010 21:26:15 GMT -5
Can you describe the EQ results of at least 1 of your fronts? So for example, starting at the highest frequency point, what is the reco'd dB drop/increase to the next lowest increment, and then on down to the lowest point. If I read properly on the UMC-1, there should be 11 frequency points at which is sets a gain/drop in dB level. If you don't mind, pick the front speaker with the biggest swings and report the results (including the frequency points that align w/the gains/drops).
Odd that the one surround is "flatline"...but it could happen I guess...
(Alternatively...of the others reporting what they believe to be an odd x-over selection...could you post a picture of the EQ reco's for at least 1 speaker you think EMO-Q reco'd the wrong x-over setting...?)
Thanks!
Mark
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Post by snodog on Feb 16, 2010 21:31:58 GMT -5
Like I said I dont have a camera right at the time, I can try with my phone I guess. I will have to rerun the EmoQ then since I changed some of them on my own. Im just not sure why one front speaker would be so much different than the other?
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Post by klinemj on Feb 16, 2010 21:47:01 GMT -5
One speaker could be a lot different than another based on what's going on w/the room. For example, in my room - it's a long, narrow space. But, the left speaker projects along a solid wall the whole length but with a couch along that wall, and the right wall goes for ~10' or so, then there's an opening to another room and a set of stairs to the floor above. Along the right wall, everything is reflective of sound...the wall + a larger set of shelves loaded w/600+ CD's. So, the left/right difference could be large in various places along the sonic spectrum. Not ideal, for sure...but it's what I have.
If you have already tweeked, don't bother re-running Emo-Q on my behalf. I was just curious to see the actual original EQ results for someone saying the x-over settings were odd...perhaps others can provide that.
(FYI...I am imminently on the list myself for a UMC-1 and just debating UMC and XMC. I could have had my UMC-1 shipped next week, but as a USP-1 owner I am awaiting the UMC/USP remote fix. So, I asked to be puton hold pending that fix. Net, I am gathering as much info as I can as I await that...any help would be appreciated from others reading this info request...)
Most importantly...now that you solved the input issue, are you liking the UMC-1?
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