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Post by Dan Laufman on Feb 16, 2010 15:59:42 GMT -5
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 16, 2010 16:03:08 GMT -5
I knew it was dead a few years back. An all in one A/V digital cable like HDMI is the way to go.
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Post by canadianbacon on Feb 16, 2010 16:23:32 GMT -5
i've been called a sh1t disturber on more than one occasion... It appears that component video seems to be the only way we'll be able to get certain HD-DVR's to play nice with your UMC processor. Not my first choice by any means because it seems to represent a step backwards in technology and will eventually create a limit when I am able to upgrade to a newer 1080P display. emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=preamps&action=display&thread=8909Is there a fix in the mix? from the sound of it, in reading, guys that had HDMI switching processors or AVR's prior to adding the UMC to their system were not experiencing the problems now presenting themselves. Sorry but the opportunity presented itself to ask the one guy that should have all the answers (WRT UMC, not necessarily in life ;-) ) |
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Post by aircav on Feb 16, 2010 16:55:20 GMT -5
There may well be some eggs broken here, just as there was when over the air analog transmission ceased, but the future is here already, however a lot of people haven't noticed it yet.
Analog audio is out except for the rare golden ear who is already hitting the reply button to tell me what a fool I am. The golden ears will keep their analog equipment, enjoy it very much but most everyone else will drop it and go digital.
When my UMC arrives Thursday I am looking forward to taking all but one analog signal out of the loop - my early Xbox 360.
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Post by bootman on Feb 16, 2010 16:55:53 GMT -5
Killing analog on one format does not a funeral make.  When STBs (the most matched source bar none) is HDMI only, then the fat lady has sung. ;D |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 16, 2010 17:19:54 GMT -5
If you think the posts complaining about the UMC-1's lack of HDMI to analog transcoding were difficult to digest, stand by.  |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Feb 16, 2010 17:25:59 GMT -5
Just think of how clean the back of the next gen AVR/pre-pro will be.
OK, maybe 2 generations from now.
I am looking forward to it.
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Post by kaa1954 on Feb 16, 2010 17:36:20 GMT -5
Dan,
Please explain fully what this will mean to the developement of the XMC. Will this alter any plans that you have? Also, with the new MacroVision license that you sprung for, what specific improvements can we look forward to in the UMC firmware update that will be released in a few weeks.
Alot of us still have legacy equipment that require component video connections.
Hardware developers will not introduce any component video outputs after this year but people will still be buying legacy stuff well into 2011.
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Post by lonnie on Feb 16, 2010 17:36:42 GMT -5
i've been called a sh1t disturber on more than one occasion... It appears that component video seems to be the only way we'll be able to get certain HD-DVR's to play nice with your UMC processor. Not my first choice by any means because it seems to represent a step backwards in technology and will eventually create a limit when I am able to upgrade to a newer 1080P display. emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=preamps&action=display&thread=8909Is there a fix in the mix? from the sound of it, in reading, guys that had HDMI switching processors or AVR's prior to adding the UMC to their system were not experiencing the problems now presenting themselves. Sorry but the opportunity presented itself to ask the one guy that should have all the answers (WRT UMC, not necessarily in life ;-) ) If every company making HDMI products would actually have them HDMI certified, then everything would play nice together. The problems arrise when companies for go the certifications and testing. Yes it may have the feature on it, but does it meet all the requirements, possably not. Right now I am looking into this issue to see what is going on, but not all cable boxes are certified and on the HDMI adoptors list, which makes you wonder if it is porting out all the apprpriate DCP and EDID info. This may or may not be the case here, but it is one thing I am looking into as well as others. |
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Post by canadianbacon on Feb 16, 2010 17:49:11 GMT -5
If every company making HDMI products would actually have them HDMI certified, then everything would play nice together. The problems arrise when companies for go the certifications and testing. Yes it may have the feature on it, but does it meet all the requirements, possably not. Right now I am looking into this issue to see what is going on, but not all cable boxes are certified and on the HDMI adoptors list, which makes you wonder if it is porting out all the apprpriate DCP and EDID info. This may or may not be the case here, but it is one thing I am looking into as well as others. This was more a "Pointy Stick" poke to see if someone was looking into it It's not like you have anything else to do right now! ;D ;D |
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Post by edvb on Feb 16, 2010 17:55:35 GMT -5
dyohn
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Post by oneliterpeter on Feb 16, 2010 18:36:00 GMT -5
I think that as far as DVD players and other High Def sources go... It is dead however... There are still a lot of legacy devices still out floating around and for someone that makes a pre-pro to assume that they no longer need to support analog video just because 2010+ sources will be constrained to HDMI may be a bad business decision. As for me... I would have been happy to have had an HDMI only version of the UMC-1 as all of my sources are currently HDMI. |
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Post by mlkmgr on Feb 16, 2010 19:00:22 GMT -5
will this help to lower price of equipment overall? i mean, if a mfg no longer needs (or feels the need) to support component, wouldn't the avrs and pre/pros become slimmer with just hdmi sources on the backside thus reducing the amount of hardware needed internally along with materials needed to for the case? just curious...
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Post by Mischief on Feb 16, 2010 19:29:28 GMT -5
This is a major concern for me. I have a very long component run to my projector (55') and will now have to invest in boosters and a new PJ since my current one accepts up to 1080i. I know I am not getting 1080p at the moment but that has been fine and would suffice for many years to come.
This sucks!
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Post by darien87 on Feb 16, 2010 19:36:20 GMT -5
i've been called a sh1t disturber on more than one occasion... It appears that component video seems to be the only way we'll be able to get certain HD-DVR's to play nice with your UMC processor. Not my first choice by any means because it seems to represent a step backwards in technology and will eventually create a limit when I am able to upgrade to a newer 1080P display. emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=preamps&action=display&thread=8909Is there a fix in the mix? from the sound of it, in reading, guys that had HDMI switching processors or AVR's prior to adding the UMC to their system were not experiencing the problems now presenting themselves. Sorry but the opportunity presented itself to ask the one guy that should have all the answers (WRT UMC, not necessarily in life ;-) ) If every company making HDMI products would actually have them HDMI certified, then everything would play nice together. The problems arrise when companies for go the certifications and testing. Yes it may have the feature on it, but does it meet all the requirements, possably not. Right now I am looking into this issue to see what is going on, but not all cable boxes are certified and on the HDMI adoptors list, which makes you wonder if it is porting out all the apprpriate DCP and EDID info. This may or may not be the case here, but it is one thing I am looking into as well as others. You're awesome Lonnie, thanks for the info. I'm glad to know you're on the case. It was great chatting with you on the phone the other day. That's right folks, I called Emotiva last week and asked for Tech support and Lonnie was the one that answered the phone. I was shocked. Being connected to one of the big dogs when I was expecting one of the "underlings" is just one of the many reasons I love Emotiva. |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 16, 2010 19:37:54 GMT -5
will this help to lower price of equipment overall? i mean, if a mfg no longer needs (or feels the need) to support component, wouldn't the avrs and pre/pros become slimmer with just hdmi sources on the backside thus reducing the amount of hardware needed internally along with materials needed to for the case? just curious... It would sure seem that it would reduce manufacturing costs to the manufacturers, whether or not they would pass that on to the consumer is another story. |
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Post by rooster on Feb 16, 2010 19:59:20 GMT -5
i'd be okay with this if hdmi actually worked consistently. when something doesn't work all the consumer gets is a bunch of finger pointing on which product is to blame.
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Post by bwfan on Feb 16, 2010 21:39:06 GMT -5
Gents,
A bit off topic but somewhat related to this post. I have been checking out a few other forums and the issues the UMC-1 is having with HDMI audio/video bugs is also prevalent in some processors 2 to 3x the price.
This news regarding the demise of analog video is concerning. The audio/video industry needs to get their codec standards figured out so they are compatible with all devices (good luck) and get this done...FAST!
Emo - keep up the great work and I am looking forward to seeing this processor come to fruition...then I will buy one! LOL
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