Blue Jean Cables question w/emo gear

[Mister L'fe]

Mar 16, 2010 19:35:13 GMT -5 oneliterpeter said:

Mar 16, 2010 8:36:20 GMT -5 Mister L'fe said:

Has anyone tried these?

www.cs1.net/products/canare/L-4E6S_balanced_audio.htm

I ordered a full set to go between preamp ,amps and subs. They should be here Friday. I could have gone with BJC. They make basically the same thing. Cable Solutions had theses in white. Good camouflage for my white base boards and white carpet.

I was just going to say... Doesn't bluejeans sell these too? But I guess you've got that covered.

I don't know if it was really better to go with the Canare wire over the Belden. Supposedly the common mode rejection is better, but the capacitance is a little higher. Since the cables are relatively short I didn't think the extra capacitance would be an issue. The longest subwoofer cable is 4 meters and high frequencies aren't an issue there.

[powerwindow]

Feb 18, 2010 23:30:57 GMT -5 teedub21 said:

I've played around with the system some more tonight and it seems to be "gelling" a bit more. I think it is a combo of the new wires and getting my USP1 set up right. My 2 channel system consists of Triad silver monitor in wall speakers with a Triad powered in wall sub under each one. I'm playing with the cross over settings on the USP1 along with the gain on the Triad sub amp and it is sounding much better. I took the Coincident wires out of the system and put some BJC's on the sacd player too. Sad that they sound every bit as good, if not a bit more detailed than the Coincidents that cost $400/meter pair!

Now, my UPA-1's are arriving tomorrow and I'll have to make more changes. The XPA5 will then go back to driving the Triad 5.1 in wall system. Probably order more BJC cables. They do seem great for the money.

I read an artical recently about interconnects that unfortunately I cannot remember where I came across it. One thing it mentioned was how interconnects oxidize quickly after they are installed. Because of this when new interconnects are introduced they often sound 'better' just because they are a clean connection. This may also explain 'breaking in' of cables as they become oxidized. Just thought I'd mention this as much as my memory warrants.

Along Blu Jeans cable lines, I use their interconnects for analog and think their build quality to value is great. I'm using DVI Gear HDMI's that I came across early in building my setup on Audioholics and have been satisfied w/ although I have nothing to compare to. I know not everything on Audiohlics is a winner, but I do believe it was on their site that I saw Emotiva and I've never looked back.

[Mister L'fe]

My cables arrived this morning from Cable Solutions. They look pretty nice. The Canare wire is nice and flexible, unlike the very stiff Emotiva X Series RCAs I have. I'm waiting on a new DMM so I won't change the cables until I get it. I have some suspicions as to where some of my hum/buzz may be coming from and want to try chasing it with the DMM (Fluke 115). At least I think I can get some quantifiable numbers to back up what I hear.

[teedub21]

I also bought some Belden 12ga speaker cable from BJC. Boy, was this a mistake. I don't feel it sounds bad, it is just terrible to work with. It is very stiff. Wish I'd ordered the Canare speaker cable too. Much nicer looking and more flexible.

[briank]

I tried the Belden 10 ga cable, but felt that it made the vocals a little "chesty" and there was also a loss of the detail when compared to the Emotiva Ultra series speaker cable. Myself and my teenage son both preferred the Emotiva Ultra series speaker cable. We also compared the Blue Jean LC-1 interconnects vs Emo X-series. The testing was "blind testing" for him but not for me as I did the switching. Long story short, we both preferred the BJ LC-1 over the X-series although the difference was very very subtle. I'm sold on the Blue Jean lc-1's for my interconnects, so no more shopping/comparing there. Next, I'll compare the X-series vs Ultra series Emo speaker cable to see if I can hear any difference. I'll probably wait on the next sale on speaker cable though before this happens.

[jtmjnow]

I use the serpentine cable that runs between my sub and pre/pro UMC-1 and its done a great job. Maybe the name it serpent? Then I bought some 1.4 cables from a new on line store and forgot the name. They were fast on delivery and I believe they are out of the NY area, the cables were white and these cables were medium in grith. The UMC gives me issues until the firmware will hopefully remedy this issue so when the UMC-1/OPPO runs smooth or over Dish also, then the HDMI 1.4's seem to do a very good job as far as I can tell. I have not used them enough to discern their effectiveness but believe they will do a good job. Most of the time though I buy from Monoprice and like their quick reply and their quality of cables. Only problem, one needs to exclusively use the internet and there are times I want to talk person to person during the procurement process. I was fortunate to receive two very thin fine tightly wound Mike Morrow Cables and they seem to do fine. I believe the interconnects may have some sort of ceramic material at the ends. The customer care is beyond reproach and he follows up with regular check in's and newsletters and in the newsletter that I believe he sends out monthly, he gives interesting ways to improve sound qualities to sound systems. He is great to speak with via phone. The cables are financially midwayin price, but they are certainly not as inexpensive as Monoprice.com or as huge as the esoteric folks out there. He starts out somewhere around the 200 dollar range and goes up from there, if my memory serves me right. I entertain senior moments from time to time, or maybe they entertain me.

So there you have it! Be sensible in your purchases; and NOW YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE STORY! GOOD DAY!

JTMJ

[solidstate]

Bluejeans is a great source of Belden stock. I've used the LC-1 a LOT! It's a great coax for sure for single ended RCA interconnects. It's particularly good IMHO as an LFE cable. It's important to note that the LC-1 is a coax where as the X series is not. There is much debate as to what is the better cable topology/geometry best used for a single ended RCA line level connection. The reason some non coax cables have a directional arrow is because at one end the RCA ring/sleeve isn't connected to the shielding. Rane has some great white papers on how cables should be terminated in terms of a non coax two conductor shielded single end run as well as double ended/balanced lines, grounding et al.

www.rane.com/note110.html
www.rane.com/note151.html

I guess the best idea for a single ended shielded interconnect is to use two conductor in a twisted geometry with shielding pigtails at each end connected to an isolated ground. LOL most people can't so this! I personally have using Mogami cable as the shielding geometry is fantastic for creating/terminating to a pigtail. I honestly feel though that most cable is total BS. DIY is always the best way to go. The problem is the put on a lot of the stock I'd like to use is in the KM range.

My ideal cable is a Mogami W3173 with Vampire C9X RCAs.

www.mogamicable.com/Bulk/micr_cables/dig_interfcabl/aes_ebu_dig/digital2.html
www.vampirewire.com/pc-79-21-c9xcb.aspx

This is the cable stock and connector source a lot of "highend" boutique honest snake oilers use. LOL

For HDMI bluejeans F2 is the best HDMI around. I seriously wonder about flat cable designs with HDMI though due to shielding issues. These are all really short run digital TDMS communications that should be fine even with cheap monoprice cables. I wouldn't use crap monoprice chinese coax with poorly terminated RCAs for an analog interconnect though! These people have bought into the cable makes no difference BS. Believe me it does with an analog connection!

One last cable to mention... The Outlaw PCAs are prob the best all around single ended RCA in the business... "for the money"

and IMHO avoid bi-metal cables at all costs!!! Especially the bi-metal copper/aluminum semi transparent acrylic speaker wire CRAP! That speaker cable is HORRIBLE and should be banned or something...

PS Believe me a Hakko 936 is the best investment a true A/V hobbyist should make.

Two other hint URLs...
www.partsconnexion.com/product6294.html
www.redco.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=128&cat=Mogami+SPDIF%2FAES+Bulk+Cable

PSS Hey if any Emotivites want to pay me $250 bucks an hour to terminate cables I can make ANYTHING you want! LOL (basically this is the pricing on ANY "HIGHEND" cable including push above)

Double PSS I guess I could put wood blocks on my shielding pigtails and sell them for thousands ROTFL like XLO !!!

[tommyv]

I just wanted to weigh in on this discussion. I have spent much time considering all cable options and even making my own though nothing as nice as the pictures earlier in this thread.

For analog RCA interconnects, I use Cable Solutions. I prefer the Canare LV-61S over BJCs LC-1 and Belden's 1505F for audio use. The Canare is more flexible than the LC-1 and the 1505F uses a tinned copper braided shield as opposed to bare copper. Both CS and BJCs are great interconnects but I have given the edge to CS in my setup. I really like CS's build quality as well. They seem to put immense amount of effort into the quality of their cable construction.

Now for HDMI I go with BJC. They are THE best HDMI cables for the price hands down. I have started replacing a lot of monoprice HDMIs that I was getting more handshake issues and sparkes in the picture. Plus I hate the ferret cores on the monoprice. BJC HDMIs are amazing though some are kind of thick. I just ordered some F2s so maybe they will be more flexible than my other ones.

For speaker cables I just bought a pair of Emotiva X series. These things are monsters. They are beautiful to look at and have amazingly high quality construction. I did not notice an increase in sound quality over my previous Dayton SCPs (some great cables for the price). The Emos are pretty expensive. I ordered one cable and thought I was ordering a pair haha. I had to order another one at over $100 for the pair. I could not get the spade connector to stay on my speaker binding post so I just stuck with bananas on both ends. The bananas are also kind of long and stick out of the back of the amp pretty far. For the price I wish they could have gone with OCC copper instead of OFC for the price being charged. Overall though I am happy with them.

For my other cable runs in my HT setup I use Belden 5100UP 14ga in-wall speaker cable.

Like others have said I am shifting away from monoprice for my setups. I used to be all about the monoprice for every cable but as I have upgraded to Cable Solutions/Blue Jeans Cables/Emotiva, I can really tell a difference with my high end equipment. Monoprice is ok if on a tight budget or for simple setups.

[NezFF]

[RichGuy]

This is what I like to use, Mogami snake cable with Neutrik XLR connectors.



www.proaudiola.com/8-Channel-Mogami-2932-XLR-to-XLR-Analog-Snake-p/8-m2932-xlr2xlr.htm

[JKCashin]

Resurrecting an old thread.... I am trying to decide between the Belden 1505F version of the BlueJeans RCA unbalanced interconnect, or the BJC-LC1.

For those who own the BJC-LC1 cables, are the cables very stiff? I have read that they are, and that they are very stiff indeed. I don't want anything placing stress on my RCA jacks, so the Belden 1505F version would be a little more flexible, yes?

Also, my run is about 5', but I was thinking of ordering a 6' length. I know that the shorter the better, but will 1' make any difference at this length? I can't see me noticing any difference between a 5' and 6' interconnect, in terms of SQ. If it was 30' vs 20', then yes, I can see length being an issue.

Jamie

[AudioHTIT]

Jan 12, 2016 0:08:04 GMT -5 JKCashin said:

Resurrecting an old thread.... I am trying to decide between the Belden 1505F version of the BlueJeans RCA unbalanced interconnect, or the BJC-LC1.

For those who own the BJC-LC1 cables, are the cables very stiff? I have read that they are, and that they are very stiff indeed. I don't want anything placing stress on my RCA jacks, so the Belden 1505F version would be a little more flexible, yes?

Also, my run is about 5', but I was thinking of ordering a 6' length. I know that the shorter the better, but will 1' make any difference at this length? I can't see me noticing any difference between a 5' and 6' interconnect, in terms of SQ. If it was 30' vs 20', then yes, I can see length being an issue.

Jamie

I've used both the 1505F and LC-1 cables. The LC-1 cables are indeed stiff, especially in short lengths (1 - 3 feet). I'd go for the 1505F if I were you, I've used them up to 20' with excellent results.

[JKCashin]

Thanks AudioHTIT... since my runs will be only 5-6', I don't think the extra foot will make a difference in audio quality given what you have said. I think I'd like a touch of flexibility, so it's looking like 1505F.

[JKCashin]

I ended up getting the standard LC-1 cable after all. Stiff but not as stiff as I feared. At 6 feet it was not an issue.

Thanks for your replies.

[rtg97229]

I vote for using the cable that you find most pleasant to work with and possibly look at for a price point comfortable to you. I mostly use monoprice cables because they are well hidden and I don't switch out cables very often.

[Boomzilla]

I use BlueJeans cables both for interconnects and for speaker wiring. They are the best-made cables I know of since their welded connections preclude oxidation and galvanic corrosion.

As to their sound, I find them completely neutral. The only wiring that I've found to have any significantly different sound (speaker wires only) are Nordost (very bright) and Kimber (very NOT bright). As to interconnects, I've been able to hear no differences. Sometimes I think I can, but not consistently.

The Emotiva board is THE most "no differences in wires" location on the internet. For the most part, I think they're right, but with the exceptions mentioned above. I wouldn't spend any more that what I dd on BlueJeans cables.

Now that said, trust your own ears and don't let any internet loudmouth (including me) tell you what you "should" hear or, more importantly, what you "can't" hear. Your money, your choice.

Boomzilla

[Loop 7]

Glad this thread surfaced up a bit.

After the Audioquest fiasco, I've been reading a lot and BLC seems to make sense. I'm currently using some 14 yr old stock cables purchased from PartsExpress. good build quality but I think BJC will give me some inexpensive peace of mind.

[509Paul]

I like Blue Jeans Cable because you can get custom cut lengths to keep all that chaos in cabling a little more organized without paying a huge premium. My HDMI and XLR are all BJC.

[vneal]

All cables sound the same. Just use an old rusty lamp cord.

[JKCashin]

Must be the right kind of rust though.