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Post by flamingeye on Apr 22, 2010 13:56:31 GMT -5
^And on that note the rat shack meter is good for sub duty you just need a better mic for proper full rang accuracy
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Post by markus on Apr 22, 2010 14:40:07 GMT -5
what's the is the point of having an LFE channel EQ??? What would you use to set them?? I do not know of any way to run LFE test tones. I heard that the Avia test disc has LFE test tones..but I'm not sure. As I said before, the whole graphic EQ thing is useless. Having an EQ in the LFE but not in the subwoofer sum is useless + pointless. A parametric EQ after the LF summing stage would be useful. Best, Markus |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 22, 2010 14:49:52 GMT -5
Lots of speculation in this thread...
FWIW, I like the graphic EQ system and all channels including the LFE channel EQ in my UMC-1 has worked properly since day one.
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Post by Bruce on Apr 22, 2010 15:10:41 GMT -5
Lots of speculation in this thread... FWIW, I like the graphic EQ system and all channels including the LFE channel EQ in my UMC-1 has worked properly since day one. :shrug: How do you set your Sub EQ up?  Do your other manual EQ for speakers work?? How do you set them up and do you use REW or just a meter?? |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 22, 2010 15:40:34 GMT -5
Lots of speculation in this thread... FWIW, I like the graphic EQ system and all channels including the LFE channel EQ in my UMC-1 has worked properly since day one. :shrug: How do you set your Sub EQ up? Do your other manual EQ for speakers work?? How do you set them up and do you use REW or just a meter?? All the EQs work. I let Emo-Q set a starting point then I corrected the Emo-Q errors such as the +10db on out of pass band frequencies, then adjusted them using my RTA to get the effect I needed in my room. Works great. |
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Post by markus on Apr 22, 2010 15:58:29 GMT -5
All the EQs work. I let Emo-Q set a starting point then I corrected the Emo-Q errors such as the +10db on out of pass band frequencies, then adjusted them using my RTA to get the effect I needed in my room. Works great. How did you confirm that the EQs "work"? I measured my unit and all I've said so far is backed up by measurements. |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 22, 2010 16:17:05 GMT -5
All the EQs work. I let Emo-Q set a starting point then I corrected the Emo-Q errors such as the +10db on out of pass band frequencies, then adjusted them using my RTA to get the effect I needed in my room. Works great. How did you confirm that the EQs "work"? I measured my unit and all I've said so far is backed up by measurements. I know they work both because I can hear the difference and because I played with them while watching my RTA readout change. This is how I determined the frequency band labels are accurate within about a half a hertz and that the Q of each band is 1.0 (which was confirmed by Lonnie.) |
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Post by markus on Apr 22, 2010 18:05:09 GMT -5
How did you confirm that the EQs "work"? I measured my unit and all I've said so far is backed up by measurements. I know they work both because I can hear the difference and because I played with them while watching my RTA readout change. This is how I determined the frequency band labels are accurate within about a half a hertz and that the Q of each band is 1.0 (which was confirmed by Lonnie.) We were talking about the EQ labeled "SubWoofer" that appeared not to work. It turned out that this EQ is actually a LFE only EQ which makes no sense. EQs for all other channels work - nobody questioned that. |
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Post by rp on Apr 29, 2010 9:36:52 GMT -5
what's the is the point of having an LFE channel EQ??? What would you use to set them?? I do not know of any way to run LFE test tones. I heard that the Avia test disc has LFE test tones..but I'm not sure. As I said before, the whole graphic EQ thing is useless. Having an EQ in the LFE but not in the subwoofer sum is useless + pointless. A parametric EQ after the LF summing stage would be useful. Best, Markus Have anyone heard if this issue will be solved in the upcoming firmware? EQ is most important for low frequencies, and if this is not fixed EmoQ is useless and better not been applied by the user. |
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Post by nickwin on Apr 29, 2010 11:49:07 GMT -5
Man, I wish Lonnie would step in here and let us know how this works. This is the type of thing that really worries me about the UMC. People are just discovering these kind of issues, it makes you wonder how many more there are that haven't been noticed yet.
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Post by bfisher on May 1, 2010 15:55:24 GMT -5
Using the beta 2... by ear - it seems to work properly. However I have not used REW to confirm. I plan/hope to pull it out tomorrow to confirm.
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Post by rp on May 2, 2010 2:23:53 GMT -5
Using the beta 2... by ear - it seems to work properly. However I have not used REW to confirm. I plan/hope to pull it out tomorrow to confirm. Can anyone confirm issue is fixed in V6 Beta2? |
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Post by Lonnie on May 2, 2010 7:49:06 GMT -5
Using the beta 2... by ear - it seems to work properly. However I have not used REW to confirm. I plan/hope to pull it out tomorrow to confirm. Can anyone confirm issue is fixed in V6 Beta2? That was fixed with the Beta 1 and is in the Beta 2 as well.  |
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Post by markus on May 2, 2010 8:31:02 GMT -5
Lonnie
What was fixed in b1 and b2? The subwoofer EQ is still a LFE EQ and has no effect on the subwoofer signal after summing.
Best, Markus
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Post by Lonnie on May 2, 2010 9:02:50 GMT -5
Lonnie What was fixed in b1 and b2? The subwoofer EQ is still a LFE EQ and has no effect on the subwoofer signal after summing. Best, Markus I am sorry I forgot to post the release notes. I don't have them here but will post in hte morning. You are correct the EQ does not affect the summed bass range. It is done prior to the summing. |
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Post by rp on May 2, 2010 9:25:15 GMT -5
Lonnie What was fixed in b1 and b2? The subwoofer EQ is still a LFE EQ and has no effect on the subwoofer signal after summing. Best, Markus I am sorry I forgot to post the release notes. I don't have them here but will post in hte morning. You are correct the EQ does not affect the summed bass range. It is done prior to the summing. I'm confused. Is it a bug that will be fixed in future FW? Or it was originally planned working this way? |
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Post by Lonnie on May 2, 2010 9:42:56 GMT -5
I am sorry I forgot to post the release notes. I don't have them here but will post in hte morning. You are correct the EQ does not affect the summed bass range. It is done prior to the summing. I'm confused. Is it a bug that will be fixed in future FW? Or it was originally planned working this way? This is not a bug, it it just how it works based on the hardware design. |
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Post by markus on May 2, 2010 9:55:35 GMT -5
You are correct the EQ does not affect the summed bass range. It is done prior to the summing. Thanks Lonnie. A couple of people waited for that clarification. Here's a feature request that would make the EQ really useful: - Parametric EQ after summing stage Optimal feature set: - Automated EQ that optimizes the steady state response of sub(s) and satellite speakers within the modal frequency range (<200 Hz). Optimization strategy like Anti-Mode 8033 or REW + BFD. Best, Markus |
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Post by petew on May 2, 2010 10:23:43 GMT -5
I'm confused. Is it a bug that will be fixed in future FW? Or it was originally planned working this way? This is not a bug, it it just how it works based on the hardware design. Bummer. UMC-1 just got knocked off my short list. |
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Post by markus on May 2, 2010 12:29:32 GMT -5
UMC-1 just got knocked off my short list. Why? A graphic EQ has not much value from a practical point of view regardless where it sits in the signal path. |
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