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Post by alamat on Mar 4, 2010 20:33:32 GMT -5
And I thought I was the only one having that problem. I also have a a UPA-7 which goes without saying....
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Post by darklight0tr on Apr 3, 2010 21:06:48 GMT -5
Is there any way to have the UMC-1 add the surround back channels to any 5.1 source?
My Pioneer receiver that the UMC-1 replaced was able to do this with the SBch feature, which worked great. Now, my surround back speakers basically do nothing and I can't figure out how to get them working properly with the UMC-1.
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 4, 2010 2:24:26 GMT -5
I am using my UMC-1 in a 5.1 set-up but isn't Dolby PLIIx suppose to be able to take 2.0 & 5.1 sources to 6.1 & 7.1? Try using that feature in your input setup for that source.
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Post by hemster on Apr 4, 2010 3:32:18 GMT -5
Dolby PLIIx also adds three listening modes - Movie, Music and Game to enable you to customize the sound to suit your programming.
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Post by rk1981 on Apr 4, 2010 14:53:09 GMT -5
And I thought I was the only one having that problem. I also have a a UPA-7 which goes without saying.... No. I have it too. For some reason my Sony DVD player works but my Pany BluRay player doesn't. Hoping for a firmware solution. Although if I knew that 5.1 could sound this good I would never have gone to 7.1. |
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Post by darklight0tr on Apr 4, 2010 15:43:42 GMT -5
I am using my UMC-1 in a 5.1 set-up but isn't Dolby PLIIx suppose to be able to take 2.0 & 5.1 sources to 6.1 & 7.1? Try using that feature in your input setup for that source. Dolby PLIIx also adds three listening modes - Movie, Music and Game to enable you to customize the sound to suit your programming. I just tried PLIIx on a Dolby Digital 5.1 source by going into Menu->Mode->PLIIx->Movie and it did activate my surround back speakers, but unfortuantely it deactivated my surround speakers. So, no dice. Any idea on why it would do that or how I can fix it? Also, the UMC-1 would randomly decide to flip it back to Dolby Digital 5.1, basically undoing the change I had made. I know this second problem is a bug in the current firmware. Also, when I tried with a bitstreamed Dolby True HD 5.1 source from my Blu-ray player I couldn't even select PLIIx, so again my surround back speakers went unused. Should enabling my surround back speakers be this hard? As I said before, with my Pioneer it was a simple change of the SBch setting to on and then selecting what mode to use for those surround back channel. There was no configuration beyond that. For 5.1 sources it layered the emulated source for the surround back speakers along with the existing primary source for the remaining speakers (ex Dolby True HD + PLIIx). If it was a stereo source it expanded it to all speakers as well, which I know the UMC-1 cannot do right now. I know that many people are opposed to the multi channel emulation but I really like it and think it sounds great. It doesn't seem like the UMC-1 is capable of this from what I can tell, which is a major negative for me if that is true. |
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Post by yellowjelly on Apr 4, 2010 20:25:49 GMT -5
Thought blu ray movie has to be in recorded in 7.1 for this setup to work? There are not too many movies in 7.1.
Can you get 7.1 setup to work on a 5.1 blu ray movie?
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Post by darklight0tr on Apr 4, 2010 22:09:15 GMT -5
Thought blu ray movie has to be in recorded in 7.1 for this setup to work? There are not too many movies in 7.1. Can you get 7.1 setup to work on a 5.1 blu ray movie? My previous Pioneer receiver had a feature that would "add" the surround back channels even if the source was 5.1. It was great, and something that I was told by customer service that the UMC-1 would have. I did some more testing with PLIIx and it appears that the PLIIx implementation in the UMC-1 is buggy. I can get the surround back channels to work when the UMC-1 lets me select PLIIx but the surround speakers only work intermittently. Hopefully the upcoming firmware will fix this. I will have to do some more testing to see if I can get the surround back channels to work with one of the HD sources. |
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Post by diskman on Apr 5, 2010 10:12:11 GMT -5
Thought blu ray movie has to be in recorded in 7.1 for this setup to work? There are not too many movies in 7.1. Can you get 7.1 setup to work on a 5.1 blu ray movie? My previous Pioneer receiver had a feature that would "add" the surround back channels even if the source was 5.1. It was great, and something that I was told by customer service that the UMC-1 would have. I did some more testing with PLIIx and it appears that the PLIIx implementation in the UMC-1 is buggy. I can get the surround back channels to work when the UMC-1 lets me select PLIIx but the surround speakers only work intermittently. Hopefully the upcoming firmware will fix this. I will have to do some more testing to see if I can get the surround back channels to work with one of the HD sources. Hello, It's a old know issue, Lonnie told me it will be fix in the next FW...Just wait couple of days if it will be fix...For me it's the major one issue I wait for resolution.....I think we are not a lot who have 7.1 setup because we only few members notice that.... |
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Post by hogweed75 on Apr 5, 2010 11:01:09 GMT -5
Last week I added a pair of side speakers and amps to try out 7.1. The 3 movies that I found in my collection that did have DTS-MA 7.1 sounded pretty good in 7.1 and I enjoyed being completely surrounded in the movie experience. But anything that I tried that was 5.1 with PLIIX was a real let down. Especially if it was a lossless codec like DTS-MA or TrueHD. The center and R/L channels lost significant detail, focus and highs. Even with standard DD 5.1 from TV I felt such a loss of articulation from the fronts that I really didn't enjoy the experience of the sides and rear enough to want to keep the 7.1 setup. For the few true 7.1 movies that I see coming out I deceided to pull the side speakers out and stay with 5.1 for now.
If there is a better way to experience 7.1 from 5.1 disc's and not lose the detail and quality from the fronts I'd try it again. Let me know if there is a better answer. I'd love to be able to enjoy the 7.1 surround and maintain the quality of the fronts!
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Post by tknice on Apr 5, 2010 20:44:58 GMT -5
Last week I added a pair of side speakers and amps to try out 7.1. The 3 movies that I found in my collection that did have DTS-MA 7.1 sounded pretty good in 7.1 and I enjoyed being completely surrounded in the movie experience. But anything that I tried that was 5.1 with PLIIX was a real let down. Especially if it was a lossless codec like DTS-MA or TrueHD. The center and R/L channels lost significant detail, focus and highs. Even with standard DD 5.1 from TV I felt such a loss of articulation from the fronts that I really didn't enjoy the experience of the sides and rear enough to want to keep the 7.1 setup. For the few true 7.1 movies that I see coming out I deceided to pull the side speakers out and stay with 5.1 for now. If there is a better way to experience 7.1 from 5.1 disc's and not lose the detail and quality from the fronts I'd try it again. Let me know if there is a better answer. I'd love to be able to enjoy the 7.1 surround and maintain the quality of the fronts! What processor are you using? I have a crappy Yamaha 663 which is a nice little receiver (but it's nothing special) and I can't complain one bit about its PLIIx mode. All of the lossless codecs matrix out to 7.1 perfectly. Maybe there is something you can configure? EDIT: I see in your signature that you have the UMC-1, probably with the old firmware...that explains it!  |
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Post by hogweed75 on Apr 6, 2010 7:57:52 GMT -5
I do have the UMC-1 with latest updated firmware. I'm hoping that the newer firmware really does come out this week and makes some improvements in this area.
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Post by sbavnut on Apr 6, 2010 15:28:52 GMT -5
I think Anthem has a similar feature - it basically does this "copy the surrounds to the rears and reduce the signal by half" (the "reduce the signal by half is needed, otherwise the side and back channels will sound "relatively" louder than the 3 front channels. Something like that would be a FANTASTIC addition to the available "surround modes" - take a 5.1 input and you get to hear just the way the mixer intended, no additional DSP processing incurred as it happens when you use the Dolby or DTS modes. Also, many, many companies let you do finer adjustments to the Dolby and DTS modes - AFAIR, the adjustments are called, PANORAMA, WIDTH and something else... The LMC-1 did not have these options and I am guessing that the UMC-1 doesn't either. How difficult can it be to allow these adjustments?  ?? Lonnie - Dan - comments? |
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Post by cappy on Apr 11, 2010 6:32:35 GMT -5
I have a UMC-1 with a 7.1 setup and believe I have this issue as well. The rear surrounds go through the calibration process without issue, but I have yet to hear a thing from them during playback. I hestitated to say whether it was a problem since I do not yet have a blu-ray player that plays in the latest audio formats; however, that said I haven't been able to get any of the other audio formats to play anything through the rear surrounds either. Can anyone recommend an audio setting on the UMC-1 that should guarantee to send content to the rear surrounds in a 7.1 setup so I can check this for sure? Thanks! On mine the LS and RS aren't even detected through the calibration...If I connect my old AVR to the UPA-7 all speakers work fine. Steve |
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