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Post by moe on Sept 6, 2010 13:32:29 GMT -5
Here's where I'm at on the 40%.I bought a LMC full price, got 40% off on the UMC(or if I want wait for the XMC).That's the end, if I buy a new prepro full price then I get 40% off the next gen, end of discounts. To expect any more than that you'd have to really have no understanding of biz and profits plus be hard core. Why can't you use the 40% discount on the UMC-1 (2nd gen.) from the LMC-1 (1st gen.) then use the 40% from the UMC-1 for the XMC-1 (third gen.)? I mean those that are buying the UMC-1 now (say a new customer) will get 40% off of the XMC-1. Why can't long standing loyal customers be taken care of? I'm sure Emotiva will clear this up. I understand business and profits quite well. It is Emotiva that is saying the XMC-1 will be a 3rd generation prepro where as before it was a 2nd generation unit. When it was a 2nd generation prepro one had to chose between the UMC-1 or the XMC-1 for the 40% discount. It is also Emotiva's choice to do the 40% discount offer to increase sales. You get that right ? Bill Bill, I'm sure you'll agree I'm a loyal customer.I got 40% off my new prepro, that's a loss I think? If I get my next one at 40% off of a 40% of deal, where's the profit? I like deals as good as the next guy but if I could not make a profit why even sell? I only speak to my understanding of the deal, which is very fair, imo.
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Post by oscartheclimber on Sept 6, 2010 13:45:07 GMT -5
Those that have been on the original XMC-1 pre-order list (since about the dawn of time) should be the Beta test group - as a reward for the extreme patience shown ;D
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Post by RSavage on Sept 6, 2010 13:51:00 GMT -5
Those that have been on the original XMC-1 pre-order list (since about the dawn of time) should be the Beta test group - as a reward for the extreme patience shown ;D Now there's an idea I can go along with ;D
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Post by geebo on Sept 6, 2010 13:54:18 GMT -5
Certainly we cannot expect EMO to offer 40% off on every new pre/pro after you buy just one at regular price. There would eventually be no motivation to introduce new products or they would have to increase prices to just cover all the 40% discounts to a price that would become prohibitive for many customers. I know of no other company that offers what EMO does. Certainly not Denon, Onkyo, Sony, Outlaw, Oppo et al.
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Post by jamrock on Sept 6, 2010 14:05:29 GMT -5
If Emotiva GAVE some forum members one of everything they ever make, those people would still find something to stir the pot about. Not pointing at anyone in particular......just making an observation. Oh wait....I almost forgot the obligatory smiley face Ok, I should be safe now. I agree with you 100%. However, I'm just trying to get members to break away from the bitterness and negativity surrounding the UMC-1 and to embrace the XMC-1 with a positive attitude. When we have a legitimate reason to be negative or sceptical, it's then o'k to let loose. Until then, let's all be cool! jamrock
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Post by ratmice on Sept 6, 2010 14:06:21 GMT -5
As much as the one 40% deal for each full price purchase makes sense - I distinctly remember an in depth discussion where the outcome was you can chain the discounts. I remember it not making much fiscal sense to me at the time - but who was I to argue. Of course, I can't find that thread, with the stellar proboards search feature, but I'm sure I'm not alone in remembering it this way. Or maybe I am
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Post by bootman on Sept 6, 2010 14:31:08 GMT -5
As much as the one 40% deal for each full price purchase makes sense - I distinctly remember an in depth discussion where the outcome was you can chain the discounts. I remember it not making much fiscal sense to me at the time - but who was I to argue. Of course, I can't find that thread, with the stellar proboards search feature, but I'm sure I'm not alone in remembering it this way. Or maybe I am You can't find it because its no longer there. A ton of pre 2009 posts are gone now.
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Post by billmac on Sept 6, 2010 14:34:23 GMT -5
Bill, I'm sure you'll agree I'm a loyal customer.I got 40% off my new prepro, that's a loss I think? If I get my next one at 40% off of a 40% of deal, where's the profit? I like deals as good as the next guy but if I could not make a profit why even sell? I only speak to my understanding of the deal, which is very fair, imo. Hey moe, Yes you are a loyal customer, no doubt. I could be totally wrong with my thoughts but I'm just throwing the idea out. Some would say that offering the 40% offer even once would be bad business. My take on this is Emotiva is making the 40% discount offer to make sales on products that might not be selling well. Some seem to be thinking it is out of the goodness of Emotiva's heart to be doing this . Its business and why is it a bad thing as a consumer to try get the most (price wise) from any purchase they make? If you don't ask then one will never know. All Emotiva has to say is nope the 40% discount does not work that way. Or they could say sure we can do that. If Emotiva does say sure we can do that would you not take advantage of the offer? I know I would . Either way nothing ventured nothing gained. So as usual there are a few here that think by asking these basic questions such as I am asking is stirring the pot or I'm a person that is never happy. Quite the opposite in fact . I just bought a new Laz-Boy at a great price. When I went to pick it up there was an even better sale going on. I asked the sales person if I would get the better sales price and she shrugged and said I guess so. So why not ask ? Bill
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Post by bootman on Sept 6, 2010 14:40:49 GMT -5
Bill, I don't consider your question pot stirring at all. Valid question to ask. I'm surprised that it is being thought of in another way.
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 6, 2010 14:41:00 GMT -5
It never hurts to ask. And, with the extra money you save ($400 off current list price of the XMC) you could buy more Emo-quipment!
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Post by bootman on Sept 6, 2010 14:41:51 GMT -5
Those that have been on the original XMC-1 pre-order list (since about the dawn of time) should be the Beta test group - as a reward for the extreme patience shown ;D Now there's an idea I can go along with ;D I'm on the original list. I also have beta tested equipment before. (DVDO Edge)
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Post by Bruce on Sept 6, 2010 14:53:59 GMT -5
I am on the original list !! Hope EMO uses this list as it has been a real LONG WAIT.I have beta tested the OPPO BDP 83 and it was very usefull to OPPO who does a lot of beta testing.
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Post by kt10r on Sept 6, 2010 15:06:05 GMT -5
Why can't you use the 40% discount on the UMC-1 (2nd gen.) from the LMC-1 (1st gen.) then use the 40% from the UMC-1 for the XMC-1 (third gen.)? I mean those that are buying the UMC-1 now (say a new customer) will get 40% off of the XMC-1. Why can't long standing loyal customers be taken care of? I'm sure Emotiva will clear this up. I understand business and profits quite well. It is Emotiva that is saying the XMC-1 will be a 3rd generation prepro where as before it was a 2nd generation unit. When it was a 2nd generation prepro one had to chose between the UMC-1 or the XMC-1 for the 40% discount. It is also Emotiva's choice to do the 40% discount offer to increase sales. You get that right ? Bill Bill, I'm sure you'll agree I'm a loyal customer.I got 40% off my new prepro, that's a loss I think? If I get my next one at 40% off of a 40% of deal, where's the profit? I like deals as good as the next guy but if I could not make a profit why even sell? I only speak to my understanding of the deal, which is very fair, imo. How are you so sure that is a loss? How do you know it doesnt cost them $150 to make one?
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Post by Topend on Sept 6, 2010 15:15:22 GMT -5
For me the 40% discount will move the price below the threshold so I won't have to pay tax and import duties. So my discount will be closer to 55%.
The downside is having to wait longer. At least I have a working UMC-1 to see me through.
Dave.
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Post by jerrin on Sept 6, 2010 16:00:32 GMT -5
For me the 40% discount will move the price below the threshold so I won't have to pay tax and import duties. So my discount will be closer to 55%. The downside is having to wait longer. At least I have a working UMC-1 to see me through. Dave. That's exactly the approach I am taking. It's really a great deal. I bought the UMC-1 at a nice price to get something to process my analog multichannel. When the top end pre/pro comes out I'll use the 40% on it. I admit I don't care one fig about extra channels beyond 7.1, but I do care about SQ... very much.
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Post by Captain Stubing on Sept 6, 2010 16:13:03 GMT -5
Why do people care what Emo's cost is to make new or existing pre/pro's? It's their business, not ours. Their gear is made in China, very good quality stuff. In China, the port cities have mass transit, roads, ports. It's very cosmopolitan. If you go inland more than 100 miles, there are no paved roads for cars and transportation is a donkey. Fields are plowed by an ox pulling a till. Water is transported by bucket instead of pipes. China's competitive advantage is cheap labor and a purposefully devalued yuan currency. This is very good for businesses who manufacture in China.
The 40% off coupon is to encourage repeat business by customers. The audiophile business is very fickle. Market share is very hard to come by. Loyalty to manufacturers is low. There are not a lot of high end audiophiles out there so the pie is quite small. Most people settle for a $300-$400 receiver. Some of those people come here to upgrade. You can tell who they are when they compare a $400 receiver to a separates pre/pro.
I have been waiting a long time for the XMC-1. I plan to use my 40% upgrade for the XMC-1
The main reason the UMC-1 was so late to market was caused by chip manufacturer Cirrus being very late to market with their DSP processor. The Cirrus processor is at the heart of the UMC-1. Once Emotiva had the processor, the UMC-1 came to market quite fast.
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Post by visiter555 on Sept 6, 2010 16:17:38 GMT -5
Lonnie & Dan: Please, please come to a decision to use some choiced members of this forum to do beta tersting of the XMC-1. These folks must have selected equipment and bound to utter secrecy. I believe that I know quite well the dispositions of most of the regular posters to this forum. I can provide assistance in selecting the group from which the the beta tester would be selected. jamrock Preferably some people who will stretch the XMC, not those that never have any problems.
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Post by visiter555 on Sept 6, 2010 16:22:30 GMT -5
Here's where I'm at on the 40%.I bought a LMC full price, got 40% off on the UMC(or if I want wait for the XMC).That's the end, if I buy a new prepro full price then I get 40% off the next gen, end of discounts. To expect any more than that you'd have to really have no understanding of biz and profits plus be hard core. Why can't you use the 40% discount on the UMC-1 (2nd gen.) from the LMC-1 (1st gen.) then use the 40% from the UMC-1 for the XMC-1 (third gen.)? I mean those that are buying the UMC-1 now (say a new customer) will get 40% off of the XMC-1. Why can't long standing loyal customers be taken care of? I'm sure Emotiva will clear this up. I understand business and profits quite well. It is Emotiva that is saying the XMC-1 will be a 3rd generation prepro where as before it was a 2nd generation unit. When it was a 2nd generation prepro one had to chose between the UMC-1 or the XMC-1 for the 40% discount. It is also Emotiva's choice to do the 40% discount offer to increase sales. You get that right ? Bill There was a great discussion on this with both Dan's commenting. It basically changed to a "discount" card which had to be used/redeemed (if lost tough) and was good on the next/following generation and could be LMC to UMC = 40% then to 3rd Gen = 40% again then to 4th Gen = 40% etc. I have looked and looked and it seems like that thread was part of the cleanup/deletion list. Too bad because Dann went into complete scenarios and basically the discount card came with any purchase and was good on the next/following gens BUT you had to have the card. No longer was it a "given" because you owned a UMC-1 that you automatically got the discount on the next gen. Only with "the card".
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Post by billmac on Sept 6, 2010 16:37:20 GMT -5
If Emotiva GAVE some forum members one of everything they ever make, those people would still find something to stir the pot about. Not pointing at anyone in particular......just making an observation. Oh wait....I almost forgot the obligatory smiley face Ok, I should be safe now. Well I guess I jumped the gun in that it was only one member that thought my question was stirring the pot . Bill
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Post by aussie on Sept 6, 2010 16:38:08 GMT -5
Why can't you use the 40% discount on the UMC-1 (2nd gen.) from the LMC-1 (1st gen.) then use the 40% from the UMC-1 for the XMC-1 (third gen.)? I mean those that are buying the UMC-1 now (say a new customer) will get 40% off of the XMC-1. Why can't long standing loyal customers be taken care of? I'm sure Emotiva will clear this up. I understand business and profits quite well. It is Emotiva that is saying the XMC-1 will be a 3rd generation prepro where as before it was a 2nd generation unit. When it was a 2nd generation prepro one had to chose between the UMC-1 or the XMC-1 for the 40% discount. It is also Emotiva's choice to do the 40% discount offer to increase sales. You get that right ? Bill There was a great discussion on this with both Dan's commenting. It basically changed to a "discount" card which had to be used/redeemed (if lost tough) and was good on the next/following generation and could be LMC to UMC = 40% then to 3rd Gen = 40% again then to 4th Gen = 40% etc. I have looked and looked and it seems like that thread was part of the cleanup/deletion list. Too bad because Dann went into complete scenarios and basically the discount card came with any purchase and was good on the next/following gens BUT you had to have the card. No longer was it a "given" because you owned a UMC-1 that you automatically got the discount on the next gen. Only with "the card". I hope this isn't the case as there was no card shipped with my UMC-1 and I would look to upgrade to the XMC-1 if I had a 40% discount
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