NorthStar
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Post by NorthStar on Sept 9, 2010 23:03:34 GMT -5
I was told something completely different. What we have here........is a failure.........to communicate It's called "BabblebubbleLarks'TonguesinAspic". ;D * A mix of 'Alan Parsons Project' and 'King Crimson'.
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Post by BillBauman on Sept 9, 2010 23:09:26 GMT -5
I believe he's there now. I thought he left on Tuesday (the 7th). That's what I thought I heard on Sunday. Oh, well, assuming that's the case, then, following that logic, he'd still make it back in time for CEDIA.
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Post by dougie085 on Sept 10, 2010 0:00:38 GMT -5
No point for a video processor when all sources are HDMI? Boy are you mis-informed. For one just because a device is HDMI doesn't mean it's running at your displays NATIVE resolution, or refresh rate. There for unless every device you have can output the exact native resolution and frequency then you definitely need a processor as most TV's while better then they used to be still do a pretty crappy job. Heck even Pioneer Kuro's can benefit from a decent scaler.
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Post by billmac on Sept 10, 2010 7:19:19 GMT -5
No, it's not. But you may continue to believe what you will. I have stated several times now, what is on that page is from direct conversation with both Lonnie and Eric at Emotiva. Enjoy your evening. One would think that someone from Emotiva would comment on this issue. There was a post from a member recently that ripped Emotiva and there was a fairly quick response from both Lonnie and Dan on that post. So I do not understand why this issue has not been clarified. Even if it has not been decided whether there will or will not be video processing it would be nice to hear from Emotiva on this. Quite a bit of he said she said going on with the XMC-1. As usual no shortage of drama on a proposed Emotiva prepro . Bill
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Post by littlesaint on Sept 10, 2010 7:31:16 GMT -5
No point for a video processor when all sources are HDMI? Boy are you mis-informed. For one just because a device is HDMI doesn't mean it's running at your displays NATIVE resolution, or refresh rate. There for unless every device you have can output the exact native resolution and frequency then you definitely need a processor as most TV's while better then they used to be still do a pretty crappy job. Heck even Pioneer Kuro's can benefit from a decent scaler. Exactly. Still many devices out there that do not output 1080p. ATSC programming is not 1080p. Many internet streaming services are not 1080p. DVD is not 1080p. Nintendo Wii is not 1080p. All of these would benefit from a decent scaler, and it should be expected that a pre/pro in the neighborhood of $1K would provide that.
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Post by billmac on Sept 10, 2010 7:55:21 GMT -5
I assume by independent you mean the capability to output two different signals, is that correct? This could be true with HDMI 1.4 but even if two separate signals can not be output why not offer two HDMI outputs like many other higher end AVR/prepros? This for people that have both a PJ and a Plasma displays. Well there seems to be some here that spoke with Emotiva that say there will not be video processing and some that are saying there will. Whats up with that ? Again why not offer two HDMI outputs even if they do not output separate signals. Also there seem to be quite a few HDMI 1.4 equipped AVRs and some prepros that have dual HDMI outputs with ARC. Will the XMC-1's one HDMI output be ARC capable? Then why does every recent HDMI 1.4 AVR/prepro released by Denon, Onkyo, Pioneer and Yamaha that I just looked at quickly have composite, S-Video and component input/ouputs? Some of these AVRs were entry level so one would think the applicable fees can not be that expensive. Apparently these companies that have been making AVRs for quite sometime do not feel the same way as Emotiva regarding legacy video support. I recall the similar issues of what was said to this one and that one after Emofest last year. I agree it would be good if someone from Emotiva would clarify this issue. I would think that if Emotiva is still exploring video processing options that a early 2011 release of the XMC-1 would be rather optimistic to say the least . Bill
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Post by gonk on Sept 10, 2010 8:43:47 GMT -5
...But many do output 1080i. Your 1080p display should be able to handle that fine. No scaling needed (the hard part) just interlacing. Actually, I've heard many times from folks who are very informed on video processing that the hardest part is often deinterlacing, not scaling.
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Post by oscartheclimber on Sept 10, 2010 8:45:15 GMT -5
It is possible that no one from Emo has chimed in as they threw this out there to see what the response would be - testing the waters. Dan and Lonnie may be lurking .........
Ultimately Emo may have to (again) significantly delay the release of the XMC while waiting for the new, more robust chip. Wasn't part the long UMC delay blamed on the chip delays?
Perhaps there is a need for two separate products - release an pre/audio decoder/HDMI switch soon, and call it XAP-1 (or whatever), and later release a full blown version of the same with video processing 12 or 18 months later (a true XMC).
Of course potential sales volume may make this impossible, but it certainly will give users/installers more options.
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Post by bborzell on Sept 10, 2010 9:36:35 GMT -5
It is possible that no one from Emo has chimed in as they threw this out there to see what the response would be - testing the waters. Dan and Lonnie may be lurking ......... Ultimately Emo may have to (again) significantly delay the release of the XMC while waiting for the new, more robust chip. Wasn't part the long UMC delay blamed on the chip delays? Perhaps there is a need for two separate products - release an pre/audio decoder/HDMI switch soon, and call it XAP-1 (or whatever), and later release a full blown version of the same with video processing 12 or 18 months later (a true XMC). Of course potential sales volume may make this impossible, but it certainly will give users/installers more options. I seriously doubt that Dan/Lonnie would have thrown anything out to this forum to "test the waters". The outcome of such a move would never be in question. Wild speculation, arguments based upon assumptions that haven't even remotely been established or verified, attacks on Emo staff honesty, competence and credibility; are but a few of the responses that are guaranteed from this forum. I am fairly certain that Dan and Lonnie know this fact all too well. Notwithstanding the existence of several members who strive to maintain some degree of order and decorum, this forum continues to be a haven for others whose need to pontificate and speculate has become the order of the day. Anyone wanting information on the XMC-1 or who might have suggestions for features would do well to call Emo directly rather than wade through the multitude of meaningless postings masquerading as thoughtful dialogue. As for me, I will simply wait until my name comes up and use my 40% discount to buy what I am certain will be the best $600 pre/pro ever offered by any manufacturer. That decision will not be influenced by anything I read here unless it's from Dan or Lonnie.
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Post by scott66 on Sept 10, 2010 10:13:56 GMT -5
A quick question for the group. Would lack of video processing mean that there would be no ability to overlay graphics for an on-screen display? If so that IMO is a very significant shortcomming.
Scott
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Post by littlesaint on Sept 10, 2010 10:56:47 GMT -5
...But many do output 1080i. Your 1080p display should be able to handle that fine. No scaling needed (the hard part) just interlacing. Actually, I've heard many times from folks who are very informed on video processing that the hardest part is often deinterlacing, not scaling. True, but depends on the display. More so when you start talking about 24p conversion and being able to detect odd cadences. To bootman's point I would say it depends on the source device. Sat/Cable boxes and BD/DVD players may output 1080i, but if their scaler is sub-par, you're still in the same boat.
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Post by billmac on Sept 10, 2010 11:25:03 GMT -5
So would those as you say that "strive to maintain some degree of order and decorum" here be members that do not say anything remotely negative towards Emotiva? Are members here that might question an Emotiva product or its feature set be those that "pontificate and speculate"? This is a forum where members come to discuss Emotiva products both positive and negative. Do you think it should be an only a pro post Emotiva forum? Wow . So every members post in this thread here discussing the XMC-1 is "meaningless" . Talk about speculation ;D. Maybe for you it will be a $600.00 prepro but actually it is a $999.00 prepro. I think it would be the only $600.00 prepro ever offered if it in fact cost $600.00. So the odds that it would be the best are quite good . Bill
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Post by MukAudio on Sept 10, 2010 12:03:42 GMT -5
Personally I like the idea of breaking out the video duties. My ideal is to take the "separates" philosophy further and have 3 boxes, not 2. The amp obviously,and then separate components for video and audio processing. If the XMC doesn't have a video processor in it, then I don't feel like I'm wasting money if I also bought something from Anchor Bay. When some new gee whiz feature comes out, I can get a new Emo processor and my video processor doesn't necessarily become obsolete in the process.
Mark
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Post by bborzell on Sept 10, 2010 12:22:10 GMT -5
So would those as you say that "strive to maintain some degree of order and decorum" here be members that do not say anything remotely negative towards Emotiva? Are members here that might question an Emotiva product or its feature set be those that "pontificate and speculate"? This is a forum where members come to discuss Emotiva products both positive and negative. Do you think it should be an only a pro post Emotiva forum? Wow . So every members post in this thread here discussing the XMC-1 is "meaningless" . Talk about speculation ;D. Maybe for you it will be a $600.00 prepro but actually it is a $999.00 prepro. I think it would be the only $600.00 prepro ever offered if it in fact cost $600.00. So the odds that it would be the best are quite good . Bill My point is simple. Discussing positive and negative attributes of something that does not exist is senseless. Some very pointed comments are being made based upon other comments that are pure speculation. People who strive to maintain order and decorum don't have to have pollyannish support of Emotiva. All they have to do is be respectful and speak from facts as opposed to producing words that appear to have been pulled out of the lower parts of their digestive systems. No one should have a problem with informed points of view. Nobody has an informed point of view on a product that has not been produced. My experience with the UMC-1 gives me confidence that the XMC-1 will be worth the $600 that I will pay for it. Creative accounting notwithstanding, it will be a $600 pre/pro for any of us who bought a UMC-1.
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Post by bootman on Sept 10, 2010 12:50:54 GMT -5
Actually, I've heard many times from folks who are very informed on video processing that the hardest part is often deinterlacing, not scaling. I'm taking my post back. You are correct sir.
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Post by billmac on Sept 10, 2010 16:21:01 GMT -5
Then why did you post the comment below if you feel it is senseless to speculate on a product that does not exsist? Seems like you are doing exactly what you say everyone else should not be doing. Did you pull that out of the lower parts of your digestive system . Wow ;D. So I guess in your opinion there should be no discussion of the XMC-1 as it would be all speculation . Well you did just that in the fact that you said the XMC-1 will be the best $600.00 prepro ever offered by any manufacturer. This without having any information on the finished product which will be the XMC-1. So then that would be an uninformed opinion ? Creative accounting? The XMC-1 will have a projected MSRP of $999.00 nothing creative about that. Bill
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Post by jdskycaster on Sept 10, 2010 16:21:12 GMT -5
My experience with the UMC-1 gives me confidence that the XMC-1 will be worth the $600 that I will pay for it. Creative accounting notwithstanding, it will be a $600 pre/pro for any of us who bought a UMC-1. Not so. I bought a UMC-1. My experience was definitely not the same as yours and as such even though I am interested in the XMC-1 I would not be purchasing it for 40% off as was the same for the UMC-1 I purchased. I am more concerned that the XMC-1 share none of the negative attributes of the UMC-1 that I experienced and was happy to hear that it will be a departure. JD
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Post by jamrock on Sept 10, 2010 18:22:15 GMT -5
I am definitely not interested is any product at any price, if it cannot function reliably & consistenly as advertised. This goes for the UMC-1 and by extension, the XMC-1. The fact that Emo has or will forego the chipset used in the UMC-1 is very hopeful.
Give me a MM phono input, ACS, HDMI 1.4a, true video pass through, conventional bass management and reliable connectivity and I'm well set. This is certainly not expecting too much I hope. Just basic expectations really.
jamrock
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Post by dougie085 on Sept 10, 2010 19:03:14 GMT -5
Personally I like the idea of breaking out the video duties. My ideal is to take the "separates" philosophy further and have 3 boxes, not 2. The amp obviously,and then separate components for video and audio processing. If the XMC doesn't have a video processor in it, then I don't feel like I'm wasting money if I also bought something from Anchor Bay. When some new gee whiz feature comes out, I can get a new Emo processor and my video processor doesn't necessarily become obsolete in the process. Mark I think this is a great idea, but as I stated I feel the XMC-1 is the wrong price point for this.
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Post by synmag on Sept 11, 2010 21:37:39 GMT -5
This is very disappointing to me. I have been on the pre-order list for a long time and I was looking forward to the replacement for my lmc-1. I wanted the extra inputs the xmc had over the umc and the headphone jack and would have liked the option of using a turntable. I also don't like the flashy UFO style faceplate with the myriad of blue bottons. I love the simplistic but very elegant design of the lmc.
I will have to see how things shake out but will have to read up on the umc issues to see if I should go that route instead.
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