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Post by monkumonku on Dec 2, 2010 13:50:01 GMT -5
Re-posting my comparison from a year ago. BTW, I kept the Emos & they now reside in my bedroom along with a pair of ERM-1s & Ultra 12 subs. ;D The smooth, wide-open, enveloping presentation of the OM's vs. the crisp, precise, punchy ERT's could be tough to choose. After 2 days of comparing the two systems, (OM-5's, OM-C2 vs. ERT-8.3's, ERM-6.3) I'd have to totally agree with the above quote. They are definitely "twin sons of different mothers", i.e. both project excellent SQ, both exhibit outstanding build quality, & both possess extended dynamic range. The most obvious differences I've noticed (aside from the quote above) are that the "timbre matching" between the EMO trio is not nearly as transitionally smooth as it is between the Mirage trio. The ERM-6.3 does not seem to tonally match the ERT-8.3's compared to the way the Mirage trio seamlessly blend together. It's most evident on test tones during the Audyssey setup. Also, the OM-5's delve deeper into the lowest octave than the ERT-8.3's do, though the ERT-8.3's mid-bass sounds slightly tighter and better defined. The ERM-6.3 also calls attention to itself in a way that the omni polar OM-C2 doesn't during TV/DVD/BD viewing, which I believe is due to the dispersion characteristics ( & speaker positioning) of a direct radiator vs. an omni design. Voices emanate from below the screen while using the ERM-6.3 (which is where the speaker is positioned), but when putting the OM-C2 in the same position, they seem to project out from the screen in a much more realistic presentation. To summarize, at half the price of the Mirage trio, the EMO trio do an admirable job of "keeping up with the Joneses". I really love both sets, but the smooth, wide-open, enveloping presentation of the OM's just happens to be my cup of tea. I haven't yet decided if I'll keep the EMO trio, but with 5 HT setups in my house, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to find a spot to use them. IMHO, for the money, they are an incredible value, & if I wasn't so enamored of the Mirage sound & presentation, I could easily live with the EMO's in my main system. For anyone looking at a budget of $2000.00 for a trio of main speakers, I wholeheartedly recommend auditioning an ERT-8.3/ERM-6.3 combo. I sincerely doubt you'll be disappointed! I was using a 6.3 center with 6.2 fronts and the 6.3 timbre did not match the 6.2's at all. I ended up selling the 6.3 and replacing it with another 6.2. Even doing that, the sound from the center was still a bit different because of placement. The Mirage OMD C1 center is a very close tonal match to the 15's and like your center, it projects the sound so that it does seem to be coming more from the center of the screen even though it is below (although I was quite happy with the Emo's as well). My feeling is that it is definitely worth it to consider the Emo line of speakers because they are very good. I just thought the 6.3 was kind of an oddball, though.
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Post by regulator on Dec 2, 2010 16:02:43 GMT -5
Well, FWIW I completely agree with Bigred here. I have heard Emotiva's speakers twice (both at the RMAF), and I was never really impressed with them. For the money, I think there are other options that I personally would go for. The first time I heard them, I think Emotiva brought the 8.3's and I thought they did lack in the bass dept. as well. At that time, they did have a sub set up, but it was not playing. This past RMAF, they had the 8.3's along with two 10 inch subs, and yes they did sound nice, but I walked away unimpressed again. I heard many other speakers that day that I really got excited about. I did hear the Omens which someone mentioned earlier in the thread. I thought they were much better than the 8.3's and IMO looked a lot better too. For two channel, I think the Omens would be fantastic. I would also suggest to the OP to read reviews (not just pro reviews) of Emotiva speakers on other forums as well as here. IMO, there is a tendency on this forum that if you deviate from the pro-Emotiva mentality, you are quickly attacked or challenged. I also tend to ignore certain members 'reviews' of Emo products, because I already know what it will say before even reading it. Certain members here will always deliver a glowing review of a product here no matter what, deserving or not. Go to other forums and read what people say about these speakers if you are really interested. Factor it in with your decision, and more importantly go and listen to as many speakers as you can. Good luck with your search, and let us know what you find. Excuse me now while I put on my protective flame resistant suit, because I think I already see the pitchforks and torches coming my way
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Post by regulator on Dec 2, 2010 16:19:18 GMT -5
Bob, we're trying to get back to the thread subject here and you butt in and keep it going. You have no knowledge of the past. Would you like me to send you a copy of the PM's I received and the posts made over at the AVS forum about me? Bigred can have the last word if he wants, I've made my point very clear about the 8.3's and how I feel about their relative retail price. There's no need to attack Bob. Chuckie, take a step back and analyze for a moment. It's great to like a product and want to fully support it. The hardest part is to present an argument and be able to accept a different opinion from someone else. If at any point in the interaction, the counter argument seems logical and plausible, then tip your hat and move on. If you don't feel the counter argument is a logical one, then you debate it in a civil matter. These tit for tat explosions only make assumptions that you are letting your emotions get the best of you. These interactions are supposed to be educational and fun. Over the years I have learned quite a bit from people on audio, but I have also been able to share my experience and knowledge of equipment. If I disagree with someone, I chalk it up for a difference of opinion and move on. If the interaction becomes personal, then it is harder to disengage. Remember, it's ok for someone to not agree on or like an Emotiva product. This is how the company will take suggestions from owners and critics and make adjustments to improve it. Case in point, the UMC-1. I absolutely HATED it the two times I owned it because it did not work right, however it appears it has become much more stable as of late... Just thoughts... +1 Well said. It would be very cool if people could post their true feelings about products on this forum without being attacked or whatever. It's kinda amusing how some really take it personal if you say you don't like an Emotiva product. Strange.
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Post by floridapoolboy on Dec 2, 2010 17:54:17 GMT -5
Interesting thread, to say the least! I have owned a complete Swan setup (5.1s, C3 center, R3 surrounds), as well as a Rocket setup (850s, bigfoot center, 250s), and now I own the 8.3s, 6.3 center, and ERD-1 surrounds. For me the Emotiva setup wins, no question. The Swans were very nice, excellent wood finish, center was well matched to the mains. I didn't like the reflections from the gloss finish when the lights went down in my theater, and the surrounds didn't do it for me. The Rockets were very nice as well, but the reflections were still there, and I never liked Bigfoot so much, probably due to the rear ports. The Emotivas gave me what I wanted, the totally disappear during movies. The 8.3s have terrific midbass slam, and crossover nicely to my subs. The center blends well, and the ERD surrounds are terrific! The adjustment possibilities on the speakers are very nice as well, something the others couldn't match. The only way the Emotivas could be better is if the price was lowered, but I still think they are a great bargain.
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Post by Pauly on Dec 2, 2010 19:03:20 GMT -5
Well it's no wonder why people get attacked. Emo gear is the best there is at any price point. Nothing else comes close! There will never be another piece of gear in the world to even come close to Emo.
I kid I kid lol
However, I do feel that some people need to let up on others who post their negative feelings about Emo gear. It does get a bit ridiculous sometimes. I'll be the first to admit that I'm an Emo fanboy, but I'll also be the first to admit that I like other gear as well. But, I also don't understand the people who remain on this forum, and usually have nothing but bad things to say about Emo gear. Why even bother to hang out here if you're only going to rag on Emo products? That can be taken somewhere else IMO. There's nothing wrong with saying that you don't like this pre/pro, or you don't like that amp, but some go out of their way, and take every chance they get to steer someone away from certain Emo products. So in that sense, you get what you deserve sometimes. Could you imagine what the Polk forum would do if somebody went on there and bashed Polk products every chance they got? They wouldn't get very far. Same goes with any other manufacturer's forum. So for crying out loud, everybody be nice! Fanboys, stop getting so defensive! Bashers, stop bashing so much! lol
Ok, my turn to get my fire suit on lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 19:17:46 GMT -5
Pauly, are you wearing your emo undies ?
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Post by NorthStar on Dec 2, 2010 19:21:51 GMT -5
Ya, that's a good example for the others Pauly (Emo undies)! ;D
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Post by stiehl11 on Dec 2, 2010 19:24:09 GMT -5
Ain't no one picked on me yet! Not that I want them to, either
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Post by bigred7078 on Dec 2, 2010 19:31:22 GMT -5
To be clear I'm in no way shape or form an Emotiva basher.
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Post by Pauly on Dec 2, 2010 20:02:22 GMT -5
Oh no, I know you're not Steve.
Neekos, no I'm not wearing my Emo undies. I going commando today! lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 20:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by NorthStar on Dec 2, 2010 22:58:59 GMT -5
Pauly, just stick to your avatar's uniform!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 6:01:27 GMT -5
To be clear I'm in no way shape or form an Emotiva basher. Oh, thank God! Maybe we were mistaken. Perhaps some folks here had the Emo Lounge Bigred confused with the Bigred7078 who posted this over at the AVS Forum in March: ".....Can anyone else no longer stand the Emotiva Lounge? What a friggen nazi camp it is now....." Sorry, must have been a different Bigred.
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Post by bigred7078 on Dec 3, 2010 8:44:01 GMT -5
To be clear I'm in no way shape or form an Emotiva basher. Oh, thank God! Maybe we were mistaken. Perhaps some folks here had the Emo Lounge Bigred confused with the Bigred7078 who posted this over at the AVS Forum in March: ".....Can anyone else no longer stand the Emotiva Lounge? What a friggen nazi camp it is now....." Sorry, must have been a different Bigred. You mean back in the "good ole days" when you were a moderator? Yup, it was horrible and many many people agreed with me. Thank God that regime has ended That post was about you and you only, not emotiva products. I could also copy and paste some of your delightful hypocritical posts but 1.) It's pretty immature and it has nothing to do with this thread other than you trying to stir the pot and take jabs at me.... and 2.) Oh wait I couldn't anyway because you had some sort of meltdown deleted your emotiva account and all your posts back in March or April. Perhaps you need another "break" eh chuck?
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Post by broncsrule21 on Dec 3, 2010 11:45:32 GMT -5
I think most people would prefer that you guys keep your personal beefs with each other private. It's clear you guys can't get along, but please keep the thread on track.
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Post by ray on Dec 16, 2010 14:42:53 GMT -5
I really like my 8.3s in my Ht setup. I previously had a pair of Dalis that are equally awesome even though they are almost 38 years old with many thousands of hours of use on them. I never regretting buying the 8.3s, and they seem to sound better the more I use them. I have the two larger Epik 18 inch subs so I dont use all the bass they are capable of as those signals go to the subs. The system and the sounds they reproduce are clean, clear, and capable of some intense volume levels. Even when pushed they are remarkably clean and clear. Combined with my Emo amp, 3/4th cranked is about all I can stand, and I seldom do that. When I do however, its most impressive, and never fails to bring a grin to all those in the room with me.
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Post by monkumonku on Dec 16, 2010 14:51:50 GMT -5
I really like my 8.3s in my Ht setup. I previously had a pair of Dalis that are equally awesome even though they are almost 38 years old with many thousands of hours of use on them. I never regretting buying the 8.3s, and they seem to sound better the more I use them. I have the two larger Epik 18 inch subs so I dont use all the bass they are capable of as those signals go to the subs. The system and the sounds they reproduce are clean, clear, and capable of some intense volume levels. Even when pushed they are remarkably clean and clear. Combined with my Emo amp, 3/4th cranked is about all I can stand, and I seldom do that. When I do however, its most impressive, and never fails to bring a grin to all those in the room with me. You have the volume turned up 3/4 of the way using a USP-1? That must be really LOUD!
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Post by bigred7078 on Dec 16, 2010 18:05:02 GMT -5
You have the volume turned up 3/4 of the way using a USP-1? That must be really LOUD! Haha no kidding! That's almost to 11
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Post by ray on Dec 16, 2010 19:46:27 GMT -5
I need to correct that tag line.....the umc1 has been here for some time!
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Post by Bukowski on Dec 18, 2010 17:23:28 GMT -5
Well, I appreciate the input (and lively discussion!). After much consideration, I went to my local shop and picked up a pair of Magnepan 1.7's. ;D
Pics to follow...
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