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Post by kse on Aug 8, 2011 10:57:17 GMT -5
4. I think hardcore music has ruined metal. Hmm, not sure about that. Hardcore is basically an underground derivative of punk. Hardcore specifically, has been of little significance since the very early 90s.
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Post by DYohn on Aug 8, 2011 11:02:24 GMT -5
4. I think hardcore music has ruined metal. Hmm, not sure about that. Hardcore is basically an underground derivative of punk. Hardcore specifically, has been of little significance since the very early 90s. While I do agree with you I think it could be argued that bands like Slipknot took hardcore and blended it with metal to create their sound - and influenced all those who came after. Bands like Rise Against started out as hardcore outfits but are now verging on pop...
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Post by kse on Aug 8, 2011 11:05:10 GMT -5
Hmm, not sure about that. Hardcore is basically an underground derivative of punk. Hardcore specifically, has been of little significance since the very early 90s. While I do agree with you I think it could be argued that bands like Slipknot took hardcore and blended it with metal to create their sound - and influenced all those who came after. That's entirely reasonable.
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 8, 2011 11:38:32 GMT -5
^ Wow.. so you likely think AC/DC is lounge music then? ;D No, not Lounge music, but Classic Rock with a touch of Hard Pedal. - But you can also put them in the Heavy Metal section if you wish (it all depends of who's doin' the talkin' and your personal musical journey).
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 8, 2011 12:13:15 GMT -5
It's interesting posting in this thread because I am way behind the latest in this genre. Of course I'm a bit aware of the Heavy hitters from Germany and America, but this is simply not my 'soul hellraiser' type of music. Punk, Rap, Metal, and all the derivatives are for the young at heart and people who have a certain rage against the machine (system created by Man). There is no harmony, peace, relaxation with those musical genres. It is for a certain class of people without a real home in their heart, and looking for one. Music is a journey for everyone, and it's intensity varies from one to another. What we classify in one genre or another is free to be, and no one can dissect it. ____________________ Radiohead, NIN, Nirvana, Jane's Addiction, Jeff Beck, Iggy, The Sex Pistols, Sleater-Kinney, Sven Gali, Rage Against the Machine, Pantera, Metallica, Black Sabbath & Ozzy, AC/DC, Steve Howe, Joe Satriani, Jimi Hendrix, Hole, Lou Reed, Patti Smith, and a bunch more were all part of my growing up, and most of them still are. But I just don't listen to them as I used to. ...Sometimes I wish I can be reborn again.
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Post by bootman on Aug 8, 2011 12:18:23 GMT -5
I love it all! Black Sabbath started it all that's for sure. Let's see Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Ozzy, AC\DC, Dio, Black Label Society,Scorpions, Pantera, Tool, System Of A Down, Def Leppard, Dokken, Godsmack, GNR, Metallica, Motorhead, Slayer,Korn, Queensryche.......the list goes on and on. I like a well produced album unfortunately,IMO most metal isn't recorded well. "Operation Mindcrime" is one of my all time favorite albums after "Dark Side of the Moon" and"Live After Death". ;D Are we long lost twins? I destroyed my copy of mindcrime in my youth by playing it too much. ;D You nailed my list.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Aug 8, 2011 12:19:24 GMT -5
Go and listen to some Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden and come back to us.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Aug 8, 2011 12:20:19 GMT -5
Well in general, I hate country music. Except I do like Dwight Yoakam and Johnny Cash and Clint Black, and some older stuff like Buck Owens and Glen Campbell, and since I don't normally listen to country I'm sure there are many other artists I could like as well. So it's unwise to make sweeping generalizations about music (or about anything, really) because they will always be wrong once you discover the exception. As an aside, I distrust EVERYTHING published by Stereophile without exception. +1 on ALL counts.
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Post by Hair Nick on Aug 8, 2011 12:28:42 GMT -5
While I do agree with you I think it could be argued that bands like Slipknot took hardcore and blended it with metal to create their sound - and influenced all those who came after. That's entirely reasonable. Slipknot is much more of a metal band when compared to these HXC bands and straight-edge kids. I speak mainly of south bay hardcore, people like Black Flag, Bad Religion, early AFI. Then there was the rise in pop-punk (ie: Taking Back Sunday, Coheed, Thursday) that took hold about 4-8 years ago, and watered everything down and created a backlash with helped to make bands like Underoath and Rise Against popular. Look at kids "hardcore" dancing and you will see why I think that music and culture is terrible compared to metal.
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Post by kse on Aug 8, 2011 12:50:06 GMT -5
Punk, Rap, Metal, and all the derivatives are for the young at heart and people who have a certain rage against the machine (system created by Man). There is no harmony, peace, relaxation with those musical genres. It is for a certain class of people without a real home in their heart, and looking for one. Bob, I think you done gone and bumped your head.
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 8, 2011 13:01:25 GMT -5
Go and listen to some Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden and come back to us. Black Sabbath I don't mind spinning anytime. But Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, ...I can live without! - Also, notice that I said "most", and not all. It all depends of the recording engineer and it's fingertips on the dynamic compressor from his studio console. Loudness rules, and many artists request it in their recordings. So you pay the price in real dynamics, but that's what sells with the youngsters.
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 8, 2011 13:05:45 GMT -5
Punk, Rap, Metal, and all the derivatives are for the young at heart and people who have a certain rage against the machine (system created by Man). There is no harmony, peace, relaxation with those musical genres. It is for a certain class of people without a real home in their heart, and looking for one. Bob, I think you done gone and bumped your head. Just take it for what it is and from my own personal viewpoint. {I had my fair share with girlfriends into those genres; drugs, alcohol, and few fights thrown in for good measure...} ;D
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Post by DYohn on Aug 8, 2011 13:30:41 GMT -5
That's entirely reasonable. Slipknot is much more of a metal band when compared to these HXC bands and straight-edge kids. I speak mainly of south bay hardcore, people like Black Flag, Bad Religion, early AFI. Then there was the rise in pop-punk (ie: Taking Back Sunday, Coheed, Thursday) that took hold about 4-8 years ago, and watered everything down and created a backlash with helped to make bands like Underoath and Rise Against popular. Look at kids "hardcore" dancing and you will see why I think that music and culture is terrible compared to metal. OK, I'm with you now. Hardcore really died in the early 90's. AFI was on the edge of hardcore when they first came out, but none of the later bands were really hardcore, they were more pop-punk (DRI may have been the last active hardcore band, before they went metal.) In the 80's bands like Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Flipper, Agnostic Front, Crass, Wasted Youth, X, JFA, Bad Brains, Crucifux, MDC, Minor Threat, Circle Jerks, Bad Religion, Husker Du, Meat Puppets and many others were what kept me alive.
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Post by flamingeye on Aug 8, 2011 13:41:21 GMT -5
I don`t know I`m kinda with LOTG here with this genre, in my youth I was pretty much all heavy metal or just metal , but now I`m more into new age, electronic, some prog and of course classic rock some of this head banger stuff has to much of a repetitious beet to it not that electronic music doesn`t ether but I`m pretty picky with that genre of music I guess I`ve just mellowed with age
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Post by DYohn on Aug 8, 2011 14:30:19 GMT -5
Over the years Metal has changed, it has grown, it has developed hundreds of sub-genre, and it has gotten both harder and more mellow. The term "Metal" can be applied to almost mainstream 70's bands like Alice Cooper, AC/DC, Kiss, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Dio or Quiet Riot, and to 80's bands like Def Leopard, Motley Crue or Iron Maiden, or Metallica and Megadeath. But you also have to consider bands like Motorhead, COC, Death, Slayer, Voivod, Celtic Frost, Napalm Death (YES!) and Prong and Pantera who were taking metal in a very different direction during the same period (and into the 90's.) Likewise today you have "metal" ranging from Metalica and Anthrax to Deicide and from Tool and Soulfly to Cradle of Filth, Mudvayne and Slipknot. And there are hundreds of sub-genre not included in this off the top list. And then within this vast array, we will all find some we like and some we don't, some we seek out and some we avoid. It's what music is all about: find that which speaks to you and enjoy it!
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 8, 2011 14:49:23 GMT -5
David, you are the true expert here on the more 'obscure' music genre. I don't know many people of your age and caliber with your vast knowledge on all things Audio and all 'Metal' music genre, which like you just said, encompasses tons of sub-genres, from the deep underground to the most readily accessible. You are the perfect 'bait' for our OP, soulreaper.
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Post by DYohn on Aug 8, 2011 14:52:15 GMT -5
David, you are the true expert here on the more 'obscure' music genre. I don't know many people of your age and caliber with your vast knowledge on all things Audio and all 'Metal' music genre, which like you just said, encompasses tons of sub-genres, from the deep underground to the most readily accessible. You are the perfect 'bait' for our OP, soulreaper. I'm just a fan of music (and I used to work in radio. I was co-founder of an overnight heavy metal radio program called "Brain Pain" that aired in the early 90's in the SF Bay Area.)
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 8, 2011 14:54:54 GMT -5
Well, that explains a lot then!
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Post by Soulreaper on Aug 8, 2011 15:14:22 GMT -5
Oh, and for iceman, this: I can't articulate why, but I never got into DB, this is much more style: Good to see other Dissection fans!
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Post by Soulreaper on Aug 8, 2011 15:23:30 GMT -5
Dimmu can be too theatrical and too full of themselves. That Dissection track is really good, I must admit I don't know them. When I think of Scan metal, I think of bands like Entombed or grindcore like In Flames. Opeth remains my all-time favorite: All Dissection albums are great and sound very different from the other. Many say that their 3rd album was a flop only because they wanted it to sound EXACTLY like their 2nd album. Also very few will understand the true meaning of their albums especially Reinkaos. If you want to hear more of them start off with their 1st album and continue from there. PS: Thorns of Crimson Death is the most epic metal song ever made!
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