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Post by paintedklown on Aug 17, 2011 23:21:28 GMT -5
I have a 3D set, and at first I was super excited, and bought some 3D blu-rays to watch...but I found out a few things quickly. 3D seems to take me out of the movie a bit. Meaning, I find myself watching the 3D effects instead of paying attention...if that makes sense. Also, I find watching 3D to be fatiguing. I find myself wanting to pause for regular breaks quite a bit. If I had to do it all over again...I wouldn't. Perhaps when glasses free 3D LED projectors are cheap enough...I might change my mind. ;D I do agree that Emo is making a wise business decision regarding adding the 3D to the UMC-1. I would advise them to change the name to UMC-2 though, to avoid confusion of the two products, as well as the "stigma" surrounding the original UMC-1.
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Post by ladesign on Aug 18, 2011 6:54:14 GMT -5
Just a thought with this question: The announcement is unclear if the new version of the UMC-1 is FULLY HDMI 1.4a certified or if it is simply "3D Capable". Not to parse this out too thin, but it is conceievable that they could have changed some embedded software that the upgrades can't deal with for some reason and make it pass 3D without going formal certification.
However, I can't believe that they would do that. One would hope they would NOT do that, but would go for the real deal with chips that will pass 300 Mhz, handle ARC and offer CEC. Otherwise, what's the big deal?
IN fact, to come to think of it, if they are really re-doing the HDMI board, why not add two more inputs, take advantage of ARC, and include at least basic CEC. It is REALLY odd that they would change the chips and not increase the number of inputs.
One really hates to say it, but what does the allocation of engineering resources to do this will have any impact on on the development of the XMC. One hopes not.
Can't make it to Emo Fest as I'm well out of the travelling range, so I hope someone will ask these questions there is we don't get an answer here.
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Post by choirbass on Aug 18, 2011 7:45:16 GMT -5
Personally, I have zero interest even adopting anything 3D. Earlier this year my right eye was injured due to eyestrain from watching a movie in anaglyphic 3D for only a few minutes even. With MS, having eyestrain as such isn't a huge surprise looking back on it, and clarity is luckily only aggravated when I'm tired now. Just the same though, do movie producers, laptop and console manufacturers, etc.. know what they might be getting themselves into, or even care? And I know profits rule all in their cases, but pushing things like this that they try to make every consumer want, just isn't a good thing, for anyone, IMO.
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Post by ladesign on Aug 18, 2011 8:40:56 GMT -5
Funny things is that when the first 3D TVs and 3D-Capable Blu ray players came out there was a lot of laughing about the wording of the legal disclaimers/warning notices about 3D.
What you are saying proves that those were no joke. They indicate that the manufacturers, producers and studios knew exactly what they were getting themselves into with the impact that 3D might have on people such as you.
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Post by carlp336 on Aug 18, 2011 8:48:39 GMT -5
what ticks me off is if my wife and i want to go to a movie 90% of them are 3d now and no option to see 2d.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2011 8:53:34 GMT -5
what ticks me off is if my wife and i want to go to a movie 90% of them are 3d now and no option to see 2d. I don't go anymore because of this. What a waste lol
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Post by geertm on Aug 18, 2011 8:58:30 GMT -5
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Post by carlp336 on Aug 18, 2011 9:02:55 GMT -5
still a rip off. you pay more for the 3d ticket even though you dont want it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2011 9:07:46 GMT -5
Really? I haven't been out to the movies for eight years. What I recall is thinking "It's better at home."
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Post by Hair Nick on Aug 18, 2011 9:36:26 GMT -5
still a rip off. you pay more for the 3d ticket even though you dont want it. That's what I was thinking about those glasses. You still have to pay about $3 more to see the movie.
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Post by 2infinity on Aug 18, 2011 10:02:30 GMT -5
I actively try to see the 2D versions if I can. I hope the tech gets better as Bob is saying, but I will wait and not be an early adopter on this one.
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Post by bootman on Aug 18, 2011 10:43:09 GMT -5
I don't have a desire for 3d either. This new UMC reinforces my thought that the original UMC bugs are hardware related and probably not fixable. Since I upgraded from the LMC I used my upgrade already. These new preamps will have to be something special for me to even consider them. Honestly I feel a little burned with the firmware efforts and will likely take my business elsewhere when I upgrade. Curious as to what bugs you have left that affect you.
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Post by xyz1 on Aug 18, 2011 11:44:50 GMT -5
I'll also pass on 3D.
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Post by copperband on Aug 18, 2011 12:00:10 GMT -5
not much interest in 3D. It appeals more if there is no need to wear a glass to see the 3D effect. I wonder how uncomfortable to people who wear a glass regularly to wear another glass to see 3D? Why do processors/receivers need 3D function? My friend's 3D TV can watch 3D programs from TV cable provider. Oppo 93 & 95 can play 3D movies without a 3D rprocesso/receiver, right? I guess most people of this forum care much more about the sound quality of a processor. I really doubt if the new UMC with 3D will sell a lot A better SQ XMC is more appealing
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Post by Pauly on Aug 18, 2011 12:24:09 GMT -5
I think they should have just dumped the UMC. I just don't see a 3D version selling, unless they actually fixed the remaining bugs and the SQ is even better than it is now. Otherwise, it seems like a wasted effort to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2011 12:53:07 GMT -5
I agree, Pauly. I can just see new firmware being released for the UMC-1b that doesn't work on the older UMC-1. When that happens I'm going to get the Marantz or Onkyo processor.
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Post by BillBauman on Aug 18, 2011 12:59:14 GMT -5
I agree, Pauly. I can just see new firmware being released for the UMC-1b that doesn't work on the older UMC-1. When that happens I'm going to get the Marantz or Onkyo processor. This would be like me switching to HP laptop because the new BIOS for the ThinkPad T510 isn't designed for my T500. You can do as you like, but the logic, to me, doesn't make any sense. If you don't like the UMC-1 and want to switch to an Onkyo, go ahead and do it. What does a new product from Emotiva have to do with that? If Emotiva never releases another processor, then you'll stick with the UMC-1, but if they do, then you're going to buy something from a different brand?
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Post by BillBauman on Aug 18, 2011 13:03:58 GMT -5
I think they should have just dumped the UMC. I just don't see a 3D version selling, unless they actually fixed the remaining bugs and the SQ is even better than it is now. Otherwise, it seems like a wasted effort to me. I have to admit, the single-mindedness of much of the statements like yours are fascinating to me. As though, *I* am the only one that could possibly matter. Let's put it in perspective of *YOU* then. If *YOU* owned Emotiva, and had sold tons of UMC-1's but felt to keep it competitive, you needed to add 3D and maybe something, who knows what, would you do it? Now, if *YOU* owned Emotiva but had sold zilch UMC-1's and were losing money left and right on it, what would you do? I don't think there's much to speculate here. Obviously, Emotiva has sold enough UMC-1's and projects enough continued, profitable sales, to justify an update to it. Do you seriously think they are updating it to lose some more money? Do you seriously think the 100 or 200 (at most) people that have posted throughout its existence that it just doesn't work are in the majority? I have 2 UMC-1's, neither is perfect, I probably wouldn't buy another one. That said, do I think Emotiva should quit selling it? Only if they aren't making money on it. It's business, it's simple. Make money = make more = sell more. Lose money = stop making = do something else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2011 13:06:57 GMT -5
I agree, Pauly. I can just see new firmware being released for the UMC-1b that doesn't work on the older UMC-1. When that happens I'm going to get the Marantz or Onkyo processor. This would be like me switching to HP laptop because the new BIOS for the ThinkPad T510 isn't designed for my T500. You can do as you like, but the logic, to me, doesn't make any sense. If you don't like the UMC-1 and want to switch to an Onkyo, go ahead and do it. What does a new product from Emotiva have to do with that? If Emotiva never releases another processor, then you'll stick with the UMC-1, but if they do, then you're going to buy something from a different brand? -1 With the bugs going unfixed then I wouldn't spend good money after bad. Its up to Emotiva to release fixes and the new model they WERE promising. I doubt we'll see a XMC-1 or fixes for the current model. They are cutting their losses.
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Post by moparmudder on Aug 18, 2011 13:08:23 GMT -5
Does anyone remember this tid bit back from March 2010 The XMC-1 will be released with v1.4 HDMI capability. The UMC-1 will transition to v1.4 by the end of the year. All current UMC-1's can be upgraded to v.1.4. We'll publish the details of this plan in the near future, so don't despair. You're still "with it". We'll have new high speed v1.4 HDMI cables with Ethernet available by late summer.Big Dan Looks like it is a year late but it is here. Also sounds like the "current UMC-1 can be upgraded" is no longer also. From this thread: emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=preamps&thread=10382&page=1
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