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Post by BillBauman on Aug 18, 2011 13:22:26 GMT -5
This would be like me switching to HP laptop because the new BIOS for the ThinkPad T510 isn't designed for my T500. You can do as you like, but the logic, to me, doesn't make any sense. If you don't like the UMC-1 and want to switch to an Onkyo, go ahead and do it. What does a new product from Emotiva have to do with that? If Emotiva never releases another processor, then you'll stick with the UMC-1, but if they do, then you're going to buy something from a different brand? -1 With the bugs going unfixed then I wouldn't spend good money after bad. Its up to Emotiva to release fixes and the new model they WERE promising. I doubt we'll see a XMC-1 or fixes for the current model. They are cutting their losses. I still don't follow. If Emotiva releases a new processor with different firmware than the UMC-1, then you'll buy a new processor from someone else. But, if Emotiva does not release a new processor, then you'll keep the UMC-1 and not buy something else? Look at what you wrote, it doesn't make any sense (to me).
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Post by Pauly on Aug 18, 2011 13:22:32 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not claiming to be an expert here. That's why I could never run a successful company like Emo. It was just an "IMO". Just like all the other speculation out there.
I'm not dissing Emo, or saying that they're making dumb decisions. It's just that I think they should have moved away from the UMC all together. Sure, it's probably making them money, but it's still causing many headaches. They have the XMC coming, which sounds like it may be a big hit. If it turns out to be reliable with very very few glitches that can be corrected through FW updates, then bring back the UMC fully updated with what they have learned from the XMC development. Who knows, maybe the 3D version is just that, and that would be wonderful.
Like I said though, and everybody else knows, that I'm no expert and don't claim to be. I'm trying to learn here, just like everybody else. Not trying to be jerk.
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Post by BillBauman on Aug 18, 2011 13:31:15 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not claiming to be an expert here. That's why I could never run a successful company like Emo. It was just an "IMO". Just like all the other speculation out there. I'm not dissing Emo, or saying that they're making dumb decisions. It's just that I think they should have moved away from the UMC all together. Sure, it's probably making them money, but it's still causing many headaches. They have the XMC coming, which sounds like it may be a big hit. If it turns out to be reliable with very very few glitches that can be corrected through FW updates, then bring back the UMC fully updated with what they have learned from the XMC development. Who knows, maybe the 3D version is just that, and that would be wonderful. Like I said though, and everybody else knows, that I'm no expert and don't claim to be. I'm trying to learn here, just like everybody else. Not trying to be jerk. Fair enough. I'm not trying to call anyone a jerk. I just don't understand all the armchair quarterbacking. If everyone posting admits they don't know the financials of the situation, then why are they questioning the (unknown) reasoning behind it? Just because they might have a single UMC-1 that doesn't perform as they would like it to (read: bugs, what-not), what does that have to do with the overall sales of the product at the company, or updating the product to a newer specification? I also see tons of posts that folks don't want/need 3D. Who cares? Is everyone using the crossover slope? Is everyone using Dolby Volume? Is everyone manually EQ'ing? No. But, does having those features increase the desirability of the unit overall? Of course! So, why not update the UMC-1 to have a feature that leaves it, currently, relatively uncompetitive for many buyers, and continue selling it?
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Post by Pauly on Aug 18, 2011 13:45:36 GMT -5
Touche, is all I have to say. I can't argue with that, nor do I want to lol. You do bring up some good points, Bill.
I do think most of the speculation and "single-mindedness" comes from what people want/need from a pre/pro. If it doesn't fit a person's wants or needs, then it's a bad decision by that company. I'm very guilty of it myself. But hey, there's certainly nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, and I think Emo does listen to it's customer's to a certain extent.
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Post by BillBauman on Aug 18, 2011 14:33:51 GMT -5
Touche, is all I have to say. I can't argue with that, nor do I want to lol. You do bring up some good points, Bill. I do think most of the speculation and "single-mindedness" comes from what people want/need from a pre/pro. If it doesn't fit a person's wants or needs, then it's a bad decision by that company. I'm very guilty of it myself. But hey, there's certainly nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, and I think Emo does listen to it's customer's to a certain extent. I agree, I think Emotiva definitely listens to feedback. I think it's great to voice an opinion, as long as it comes across that way. It's when folks seem to express their desires as the greater population, and not as their own, that it seems just, weird, to me. Let's hope Emotiva continues to bring out fun, entertaining, useful, reasonably priced products, and that they remain profitable doing it. Other than that, I'm just along for the ride.
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2011 14:58:00 GMT -5
I bought the UMC-1 about 6 weeks ago and so far....really like it. I do wish I would have waited and saved a few bucks, oh well.
As for the 3-D business, yes in the market place, I think you have to offer it. Would I use it, no.
I purchased a new TV last September, a 2-D set. I thought about a 3-D one, but those glasses are just a disaster and the largest sets were only 55 inches, which was smaller than I wanted. Until you can watch a 3-D set without the glasses, I have no interest in them. I also hate 3-D at the movies. I've seen several including Avatar (a movie I did not like at all) and found the glasses extermely distracting. I always wear glasses and hate having to put those others over my glasses.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Aug 18, 2011 15:44:13 GMT -5
Does anyone remember this tid bit back from March 2010 The XMC-1 will be released with v1.4 HDMI capability. The UMC-1 will transition to v1.4 by the end of the year. All current UMC-1's can be upgraded to v.1.4. We'll publish the details of this plan in the near future, so don't despair. You're still "with it". We'll have new high speed v1.4 HDMI cables with Ethernet available by late summer.Big Dan Looks like it is a year late but it is here. Also sounds like the "current UMC-1 can be upgraded" is no longer also. From this thread: emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=preamps&thread=10382&page=1As I recall, that statement about the UMC-1 being upgradeable to 1.4 was retracted at some point. I'll try to find it later.
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Post by choirbass on Aug 18, 2011 15:47:18 GMT -5
Although not having any issues with a UMC-1 myself, if nearly all bugs are dealt with in general, I wouldn't think it would hurt continuing providing f/w updates either. Since plenty of people do own UMC-1's, it would be a shame to not support them anymore throughout a warranty period even.
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Post by roadrunner on Aug 18, 2011 17:23:04 GMT -5
Although not having any issues with a UMC-1 myself, if nearly all bugs are dealt with in general, I wouldn't think it would hurt continuing providing f/w updates either. Since plenty of people do own UMC-1's, it would be a shame to not support them anymore throughout a warranty period even. Why are so many people assuming Emotiva will stop providing FW upgrades for the UMC-1? Big Dan and Lonnie have both posted that they will continue issuing FW upgrades on the UMC-1. Doesn't anyone remember this? ...or is it just fear of being left out? Earlier this year, Emotiva release new FW for the LMC-1 -- how long has it been since the LMC-1 was discontinued? Four, maybe five years ago? I don't believe Emotiva is going to abandon us while the UMC-1 still has issues. From what I understand, most of the "bugs" with the UMC-1 have been corrected and the few remaining issues are still being worked on. What more can you ask for if you are happy enough with the sound quality to still own it and they are working on the few areas some users still have issues with?
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Post by Topend on Aug 18, 2011 18:15:38 GMT -5
Really? I haven't been out to the movies for eight years. What I recall is thinking "It's better at home." I couldn't agree more. Dave.
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Post by jamrock on Aug 18, 2011 19:56:06 GMT -5
There are many functions on my components that I do not use. For instance; I don't use DV on the UMC-1 nor look at the special features on movie discs. Now, there are others who use them and are getting the benefits they provide. Emotiva has to make products that will interest or appeal to the broadest spectrum of the buying public. The UMC-1b or the UMC-2 & the XMC-1 are all 3D capable. Like it or not, it is the new wave. Nevertheless, that does not mean that they won't pass a 2d signal perfectly. What is that saying? Don't cut off your nose to suit your face? Even if you are ugly, you'll still need a nose. Right?
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Post by choirbass on Aug 18, 2011 20:08:32 GMT -5
Although not having any issues with a UMC-1 myself, if nearly all bugs are dealt with in general, I wouldn't think it would hurt continuing providing f/w updates either. Since plenty of people do own UMC-1's, it would be a shame to not support them anymore throughout a warranty period even. Why are so many people assuming Emotiva will stop providing FW upgrades for the UMC-1? Big Dan and Lonnie have both posted that they will continue issuing FW upgrades on the UMC-1. Doesn't anyone remember this? ...or is it just fear of being left out? Earlier this year, Emotiva release new FW for the LMC-1 -- how long has it been since the LMC-1 was discontinued? Four, maybe five years ago? I don't believe Emotiva is going to abandon us while the UMC-1 still has issues. From what I understand, most of the "bugs" with the UMC-1 have been corrected and the few remaining issues are still being worked on. What more can you ask for if you are happy enough with the sound quality to still own it and they are working on the few areas some users still have issues with? Thank you for clarifying . I'm more in agreement with you too than anything. Just having so much negativity from others does make you wonder a bit. I haven't been around here for very long, but nonetheless I have personally been very happy with mine. I just wonder why others are even having problems with the current f/w, what is it they're using thats different that could be such an issue? I can't imagine some are defective and others aren't (though returns are expected for whatever reason). I do realize the unnecessary headache that comes with using all that accompanies hdmi though, such as channel dropouts for example, it seems like that's the cause anyhow.) Haven't used hdmi aside from a small instance with a samsung bdp, and I've had zero issues. Evil hdcp, edid, handshaking, copyright protections, and just a huge hassle overall lol
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Post by jason1976 on Aug 18, 2011 20:59:07 GMT -5
I don't have a desire for 3d either. This new UMC reinforces my thought that the original UMC bugs are hardware related and probably not fixable. Since I upgraded from the LMC I used my upgrade already. These new preamps will have to be something special for me to even consider them. Honestly I feel a little burned with the firmware efforts and will likely take my business elsewhere when I upgrade. Curious as to what bugs you have left that affect you. Hi Bootman, I have the center drops via HDMI from all sources. I even get them sometimes from BluRay layer changes. I also have the rarer EMOq distortion glitch where I can't boost any channel by 3dbs in the midrange without getting distortion on dynamic tracks. Those are my main gripes. I have worked around most of the issues and downgraded to optical for DVR, but if I change another component in the system there is no telling what will happen. It sounds great, but I'm just tired of jumping through hoops.
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Post by stiehl11 on Aug 18, 2011 22:21:45 GMT -5
There are many functions on my components that I do not use. For instance; I don't use DV on the UMC-1 nor look at the special features on movie discs. Now, there are others who use them and are getting the benefits they provide. Emotiva has to make products that will interest or appeal to the broadest spectrum of the buying public. The UMC-1b or the UMC-2 & the XMC-1 are all 3D capable. Like it or not, it is the new wave. Nevertheless, that does not mean that they won't pass a 2d signal perfectly. What is that saying? Don't cut off your nose to suit your face? Even if you are ugly, you'll still need a nose. Right? ... to spite your face. ;D
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 18, 2011 23:29:07 GMT -5
3D is now a must! ;D ...In any newer products. ...From a business equation view.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2011 3:36:18 GMT -5
There are many functions on my components that I do not use. For instance; I don't use DV on the UMC-1 nor look at the special features on movie discs. Now, there are others who use them and are getting the benefits they provide. Emotiva has to make products that will interest or appeal to the broadest spectrum of the buying public. The UMC-1b or the UMC-2 & the XMC-1 are all 3D capable. Like it or not, it is the new wave. Nevertheless, that does not mean that they won't pass a 2d signal perfectly. What is that saying? Don't cut off your nose to suit your face? Even if you are ugly, you'll still need a nose. Right? ... to spite your face. ;D I wouldn't pass up a tv just because it's 3d, its just that 3d has no value for me.
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Post by 2muchht on Aug 19, 2011 3:37:46 GMT -5
3D is now a must! ;D ...In any newer products. ...From a business equation view. To be more precise, "HDMI Version 1.4a" is the necessity. For my money that also includes the Audio Return Channel and some CEC. Does anyone know if the updated UMC will have either of those?
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Post by hemster on Aug 19, 2011 3:42:42 GMT -5
Yep, I agree. Currently, 3D is 1D too many for me. Now if the technology is improved to the point of it becoming compelling, I'd be tempted. Based on the past few 3D movies I've watched (glasses and all), I did not feel the sense of involvement in the movie as much as with 2D. I was always aware of the glasses and the whole experience felt a little artificial rather than engaging.
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Post by hemster on Aug 19, 2011 3:49:08 GMT -5
3D is now a must! ;D ...In any newer products. ...From a business equation view. To be more precise, "HDMI Version 1.4a" is the necessity. For my money that also includes the Audio Return Channel and some CEC. Does anyone know if the updated UMC will have either of those? CEC is ok as long as all of the components in your room talks CEC. A good universal remote control allows for all this and more (delays, macros etc.). Most TVs still have anemic speakers and little bass output. So Audio Return Channel would be if interest so the HT system can be used for TV audio, especially for surround sound. We'll find out at Emofest if the new UMC-1 will have these features.
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Post by bootman on Aug 19, 2011 8:07:52 GMT -5
Curious as to what bugs you have left that affect you. Hi Bootman, I have the center drops via HDMI from all sources. I even get them sometimes from BluRay layer changes. I also have the rarer EMOq distortion glitch where I can't boost any channel by 3dbs in the midrange without getting distortion on dynamic tracks. Those are my main gripes. I have worked around most of the issues and downgraded to optical for DVR, but if I change another component in the system there is no telling what will happen. It sounds great, but I'm just tired of jumping through hoops. Did you try sending it back or are you outside the US? With that much going on, if it still was this much trouble after sending it back, I would have moved on.
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