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Post by Pauly on Nov 20, 2011 19:51:26 GMT -5
There's a huge difference between coat hangers too. The plastic ones don't work very well.
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Post by NezFF on Nov 21, 2011 8:43:23 GMT -5
I wouldnt but that is totally up to you. Just my take on all this expensive speaker cables mumbo jumbo
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Post by jmasterj on Nov 22, 2011 19:38:34 GMT -5
I get a little crazy when it comes to expensive speaker cables, and interconnects because I can't hear the difference they could make for all the other noise. Black fuses, and things like CD stablizers, or even real expensive power line conditioners, or those little supports that hold your speaker cable off the floor are for sombody else not me, because to me if I can't isolate the system from the outside noise it's frutile. I'm like if I had some really high end gear, in a dedicated sound treated room then maybe, I'd spend more on the cables but not where I currently live. I use Emo X series interconnects, and 10' Volicity 12 AWG terminated speaker cables from " Cables To Go " for $ 19.99 each. It's just I live in a small 1 bdrm apartment and my audio system competes with the refrigerator noise, the computer, the air conditioner/heater noise, neighbors, and neighborhood niose, skateborders, landscapers, and airforce jets from Nellis Airforce Base about 2 miles from where I live in Las Vagas. I guess what I'm saying is it's just not practical for me to spend the money for little return at best. Don't think I havn't thought about unplugging the frige and turning off the air. I have ! Then I hear the kid upstairs running through their apartment and there's allways the wind I can't win. So if you're like me ...what for ?
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Post by Pauly on Nov 23, 2011 0:27:12 GMT -5
That's a good way of looking at it jmaster.
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Post by shayned on Nov 25, 2011 22:33:02 GMT -5
Wow, lots of prejudice here from people that have probably never had $1k cables in their system. I have had many types of expensive and cheap cable of all kinds(see my review of the XPA-2 I just got in the review section) and to make a long story short-get cables that are well constructed and have good shielding; that's all that mainly matters. You won't get that by buying bargain-basement crap at WalMart. Cheaper cables tend to corrode or not hold up over the long term; the really expensive high end cable are, well, mostly jewelry. I just had a look at Emo's cables, and they look like they'd be just great. You should still expect to spend up to a few hundred dollars for a full home theater setup for wiring, but no more, depending on your amount of equipment and lengths needed.
BTW, I have a $1600 Gutwire power cord feeding my XPA-2, so go figure....lmao.
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Post by NezFF on Nov 25, 2011 22:50:14 GMT -5
Not many people use 1k cables on this or any other forums I've been apart of. Also not many people wipe their asses with $100 bills either
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Post by audiofile on Nov 25, 2011 23:10:10 GMT -5
I'm thinkin' some NezFF speaker cables might be best bang for the buck buy out there.
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Post by shayned on Nov 25, 2011 23:31:17 GMT -5
"Not many people use 1k cables on this or any other forums I've been apart of. Also not many people wipe their asses with $100 bills either "
My point is about the sarcasm here without experience. Nice response.
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Post by NezFF on Nov 26, 2011 0:00:01 GMT -5
Not to be rude but I don't know many people that would spend that much on a cable when their whole setup cost the same. Those cables that expensive is notation all practical here. Of course no one is going to have experience with them unless we win the lottery.
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Post by shayned on Nov 26, 2011 0:45:33 GMT -5
Why is that, NezFF? I haven't won the lottery, and have years of experience with expensive and ultra-expensive high end audio, and I'm here. I found Emotiva pretty much by mistake a while ago, and thought I'd give them a try because their designs looked sound, they're inexpensive, and I was curious how a cheap replacement for my Classe gear would sound. I find some people here quite defensive when their statements are questioned, which shouldn't be the case. Keep an open mind, but if you criticize something you know nothing about, maybe you should be quiet. How's that for practical?
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Post by NezFF on Nov 26, 2011 1:54:35 GMT -5
I'm not getting defensive at all. Just merely stating that you don't understand that most of the people on this forum don't and won't have experience with ultra high end equipment or cabling9$30,000) I can also assume if you are buying 1k speaker cable/interconnect/power cord, you have alot more money than any of us.
Also, as far as right now, I am being civil even after the be quiet comment, so I'm hoping you do the same.
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Post by mobileusa on Nov 26, 2011 11:34:55 GMT -5
come on guys....
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Post by shayned on Nov 26, 2011 13:48:30 GMT -5
I am being civil Nez. The, "be quiet" comment was meant to be generalized, not specifically pointed at anyone, and not meant for you. What I mean is, some snide comments are made here about products/cost when the person has no basis for making the comment. This leads to bad advice or bad thinking patterns, non of which are helpful. Also, from my experience dealing with people in this crazy hobby, there seem to be 2 main types of audiophile-the ones that have lots of money and just throw it around at the flavour of the month, and the kind that struggles to pay for/goes into debt to get their idea of the best. Places like Audiogon have really brought prices down and opened up the hobby to more people, but some aspects are still nuts, even beyond cables. I've been lucky enough to have a good job and an inside position because of a friend I have that works at a high-end audio store near me.
Anyways, this is the sort of topic that always seems to get people's backs up. If I've offended anyone here, I apologize because that's not my intent. My opinionated nature can come across as condescending or offensive at times, and I realize this, but you can't type tone on a message board... unfortunately.
I've had an idea for a long time about testing whether cables affect sound or not, and I'm surprised no one anywhere has tried it. I think it's an interesting idea because it doesn't involve listening:
We have all sorts of tech these days, and very precise ways of measuring motion using lasers, accelerometers, etc... why doesn't someone come up with an effective, accurate way to measure tweeter/woofer motion so that you could actually MEASURE if driver changes take place when you change cables. This is a simple idea that eliminates all the argument about electrical properties, etc. on cables, and directly proves acoustic changes.
Of course, maybe someone already did this, but they don't want us to know the results....
Happy listening.
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Post by briank on Nov 26, 2011 14:06:28 GMT -5
Not many people use 1k cables on this or any other forums I've been apart of. Also not many people wipe their asses with $100 bills either There's more of us then you think. I tried $100 bills but they chafed. I prefer Charmin. ;D
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Post by NezFF on Nov 26, 2011 14:10:32 GMT -5
well, im gonna let you guy have this converstion all to yourselves. I might have been speaking for myself more or less when I mentioned that it is absolutely crazy to me to pay that much for a cable. This is my opinion and doesnt matter if anyone shares it with me.
thanks.
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Post by gomer on Nov 26, 2011 14:26:16 GMT -5
We have all sorts of tech these days, and very precise ways of measuring motion using lasers, accelerometers, etc... why doesn't someone come up with an effective, accurate way to measure tweeter/woofer motion so that you could actually MEASURE if driver changes take place when you change cables. This is a simple idea that eliminates all the argument about electrical properties, etc. on cables, and directly proves acoustic changes. Of course, maybe someone already did this, but they don't want us to know the results.... Happy listening. Of There have in fact been measurements. The argument you'll hear from cable people is that "just because you can't measure it, doesn't mean you can't hear it. How do you measure sound stage and depth and resolution etc etc". I'm a scientist. It's what I do, and I haven't been convinced that cables add anything more than resistance/capacitance/inductance through simple mechanics which do not cost 1000's or even 100's of dollars. I'm a firm believer that high end cable people sell the illusion of better sound. Placebo effect. It's like the blind tests with wines. It's a demonstrated fact that people rate the identical bottle of wine higher if they are told it costs more. I'm all for buying well built cables that look good. I think it's ridiculous to pay for the illusion. Mind you, I've built many cables and even created "Gomer Cables" as joke on Chris VH's braided teflon cables. Sold a bunch and people were happy to pay.
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Post by briank on Nov 26, 2011 14:28:06 GMT -5
well, im gonna let you guy have this converstion all to yourselves. I might have been speaking for myself more or less when I mentioned that it is absolutely crazy to me to pay that much for a cable. This is my opinion and doesnt matter if anyone shares it with me. thanks. I'd say the majority on this forum would agree with you. Just saying some of us hear a difference in cables and are willing to spend more for them. I like to buy high dollar cables used on Audiogon. I would have never spent the $1650.00 for my speaker cables new but I was willing to pay $480 for them slightly used as I had really liked them in another system I had heard. Too each their own, but I agree with the philosophy, "don't knock it unless you've tried it". With that said, there's some high dollar cables out there that can mess up your sound and more expensive doesn't necessarily mean better. I've tried some $1200 cables that were not as good as Emotiva's X-series. I would just encourage people to experiment for themselves and reach their own conclusions.
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Post by gomer on Nov 26, 2011 14:31:52 GMT -5
Speaker cables technically can modify the sound. However, given that you judged them by another system, likely with different components, in a different room...all of which can have a huge impact compared the the tiny nuances which a cable may or may not impart, how do you attribute what you heard to the cable? Cable effects are fractional dB while rooms can be 10db.
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Post by a1uc on Nov 26, 2011 14:32:11 GMT -5
Wow, lots of prejudice here from people that have probably never had $1k cables in their system. I have had many types of expensive and cheap cable of all kinds(see my review of the XPA-2 I just got in the review section) and to make a long story short-get cables that are well constructed and have good shielding; that's all that mainly matters. You won't get that by buying bargain-basement crap at WalMart. Cheaper cables tend to corrode or not hold up over the long term; the really expensive high end cable are, well, mostly jewelry. I just had a look at Emo's cables, and they look like they'd be just great. You should still expect to spend up to a few hundred dollars for a full home theater setup for wiring, but no more, depending on your amount of equipment and lengths needed. BTW, I have a $1600 Gutwire power cord feeding my XPA-2, so go figure....lmao. BTW, I have a $1600 Gutwire power cord feeding my XPA-2 Does it make that 600.00 amp sound like a 2200.00 amp ? All along I thought you should put your money into the amp , wow I was wrong I just needed a better power cord .
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Post by NezFF on Nov 26, 2011 14:32:13 GMT -5
We have all sorts of tech these days, and very precise ways of measuring motion using lasers, accelerometers, etc... why doesn't someone come up with an effective, accurate way to measure tweeter/woofer motion so that you could actually MEASURE if driver changes take place when you change cables. This is a simple idea that eliminates all the argument about electrical properties, etc. on cables, and directly proves acoustic changes. Of course, maybe someone already did this, but they don't want us to know the results.... Happy listening. Of There have in fact been measurements. The argument you'll hear from cable people is that "just because you can't measure it, doesn't mean you can't hear it. How do you measure sound stage and depth and resolution etc etc". I'm a scientist. It's what I do, and I haven't been convinced that cables add anything more than resistance/capacitance/inductance through simple mechanics which do not cost 1000's or even 100's of dollars. I'm a firm believer that high end cable people sell the illusion of better sound. Placebo effect. It's like the blind tests with wines. It's a demonstrated fact that people rate the identical bottle of wine higher if they are told it costs more. I'm all for buying well built cables that look good. I think it's ridiculous to pay for the illusion. Mind you, I've built many cables and even created "Gomer Cables" as joke on Chris VH's braided teflon cables. Sold a bunch and people were happy to pay. +1
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