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Post by geebo on Apr 12, 2013 10:32:19 GMT -5
I am sure that Dan had a contract in place. Most contracts have contingencies for such events including the death of the individual. So, all we are doing is speculating because we are not privy to the terms of the contract. I am sure that Dan has everything under control. You're not a very good pessimist, Mickey.
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Post by mickeyharlow on Apr 12, 2013 10:41:43 GMT -5
I am sure that Dan had a contract in place. Most contracts have contingencies for such events including the death of the individual. So, all we are doing is speculating because we are not privy to the terms of the contract. I am sure that Dan has everything under control. You're not a very good pessimist, Mickey. No. I figure that Dan has seen this scenario before. Therefore, he would build contingency clauses into the contract to protect Emotiva in such an event. I would.
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 12, 2013 10:42:43 GMT -5
I am sure that Dan had a contract in place. Most contracts have contingencies for such events including the death of the individual. So, all we are doing is speculating because we are not privy to the terms of the contract. I am sure that Dan has everything under control. You're not a very good pessimist, Mickey. ;D Big Dan has built a successful company. I agree with Mickey - but regardless of what the contract says, none of us are in or have stood in Dan's shoes and it is none of our business anyway. All this speculation does nothing constructive.
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Post by mickeyharlow on Apr 12, 2013 10:56:39 GMT -5
You're not a very good pessimist, Mickey. ;D Big Dan has built a successful company. I agree with Mickey - but regardless of what the contract says, none of us are in or have stood in Dan's shoes and it is none of our business anyway. All this speculation does nothing constructive. Agreed. We are all probably worrying about nothing. We will get the information when Dan is comfortable. I can wait. AND MY WIFE SAYS THAT "I AM NOT PATIENT." HA HA.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 11:15:04 GMT -5
I know that I was really stoked when Emo announced the inclusion of TacT with the XMC-1. However, I now wish that they had simply licensed Trinnov or Audyssey XT 32 instead. The XMC-1 would have been released last year if they had done so...
-RW-
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Post by chaosrv on Apr 12, 2013 11:23:11 GMT -5
I think, that since they are telling us things are "coming along nicely" we should trust that. Keith stated it was the Tact implementation but if Boz disappeared or they simply couldn't get it to function properly there would have been a major announcement to that effect. There is a difference between slow progress and a brick wall. Emotiva announced when they had to scrap the "old" XMC-1 design. I know they are more tight-lipped now but if they were going to be hit with a big delay such as the absence of Boz/Tact, I think (hope) they would at least let us know that. I don't see it being the case as they recently signed off on the final hardware design. Changing to a different room correction system could (possibly) require a hardware revision which would certainly add a monumental delay and would spur an announcement. Yes, the software is taking longer than we all want - especially Big Dan & the Gang. But if they weren't going to be able to get it done, I would like to think they'd let us know. We just have to...have a little faith.
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Post by chaosrv on Apr 12, 2013 11:26:55 GMT -5
I know that I was really stoked when Emo announced the inclusion of TacT with the XMC-1. However, I now wish that they had simply licensed Trinnov or Audyssey XT 32 instead. The XMC-1 would have been released last year if they had done so... -RW- I'd agree with you if they licensed Audyssey but not Trinnov. We just have to look to Outlaw to see what happened there. I don't think it would be any easier to implement than TacT has been thus far.
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Post by suffolk112000 on Apr 12, 2013 11:50:54 GMT -5
I am glad they didn't go with Audyssey. For me, part of the appeal with the xmc-1 is TacT and will thus be uniq from most processors.
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Post by geebo on Apr 12, 2013 12:29:37 GMT -5
I am glad they didn't go with Audyssey. For me, part of the appeal with the xmc-1 is TacT and will thus be uniq from most processors. I'd rather have nothing than Audeyssey. Unless Audessey were to give the user the option see and make changes to the results.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 12:48:34 GMT -5
> We just have to...have a little faith.
"...just have a little faith" she said, passing the Koolaid to me. /b
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Apr 12, 2013 12:48:49 GMT -5
I am glad they didn't go with Audyssey. For me, part of the appeal with the xmc-1 is TacT and will thus be uniq from most processors. I'd rather have nothing than Audeyssey. Unless Audessey were to give the user the option see and make changes to the results. I ran Audyssey XT32 (with SubEQ), and it does indeed allow the user to make changes to the results afterward. Its actually pretty user friendly I think. But I agree with suffolk112000 that part of the XMC-1's appeal is that it will be different, and we can all see how that compares in the long run...
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Post by hifiaudio2 on Apr 12, 2013 12:59:19 GMT -5
I would be happy with the same super flexible ParEQ found in the UMC-200. In fact, that is what I wish my Marantz had instead of Audyssey XT32. Right now I can dial in my 4 subs with a Xilica outboard EQ, but can't do that above the crossover frequency. I would like to be able to EQ up to around 250hz. I have plenty of tools and know how to dial it in correctly, just need the EQ!
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Post by chaosrv on Apr 12, 2013 14:07:43 GMT -5
> We just have to...have a little faith. "...just have a little faith" she said, passing the Koolaid to me. /b Nothing to do with koolaid, my friend. Besides, I'd rather chug a beer like a real man. ;D Perhaps because I don't *need* a new processor I don't have such an emotional attachment to the delays. I also have clients in the software, medical device and construction industries. They all have faced delays and have seen products scrapped or redesigned. It is a fact of the modern world. My faith, however misguided you may think it is, is based facts right now. They have delays, this is nothing new. When it was a major product-changing delay, we were told. The fact that they are communicating on it at all (albeit very little) leads me to believe it will be ready in the relatively near future. The emotiva products I own have been nothing but rock-solid and worth far more than the price paid. So yes, that does tend to give them more of my support.
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Post by Tip on Apr 12, 2013 15:05:23 GMT -5
Please excuse the off-topic post: Tip PS. "Calvinhobbe" eh? I grew up and live just a few miles from Chagrin Falls, where Bill Watterson grew up and lived. He still lives in the far east side of Cleveland. For many years I rode bicycles with his father Jim, who was the model for Calvin's father (you remember in the comic strip that Calvin's father rode his bike on the weekends?). He's short, wears round eyeglasses, and was a patent attorney. I also rode with Bill's brother, but Bill was still in bed while we were riding early on weekend mornings. I miss his writings and his down to earth approach. Many wish he would reconsider his retirment of the strip. The Cleveland International Film Festival currently is showing the documentary "Dear Mr. Watterson": www.cleveland.com/moviebuff/index.ssf/2013/04/dear_mr_watterson_cleveland_in.htmlAfter retirement of the strip, Bill moved back to Chagrin Falls and occasionally visited the local book store and signed copies of the books of collections of the Calvin & Hobbes comic strips (I gave one to my niece for her birthday.) But being rather reclusive, he and his wife soon moved out of Chagrin Falls. His father is now 80 years old and I haven't ridden with him in over ten years.
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Post by cwt on Apr 13, 2013 1:32:06 GMT -5
Perhaps because I don't *need* a new processor I don't have such an emotional attachment to the delays. My faith, however misguided you may think it is, is based facts right now All this hand ringing and speculation is like a balm to the soul chaosrv to those who can wait and covered their bases by buying a umc200 Keiths updates are considerably more forthcoming than any other/ most ce's ; not nearly enough animus directed in that direction imho as 1/2 the time a new product comes out of the blue ;D
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Post by rljsho on Apr 13, 2013 2:30:52 GMT -5
I am a current owner of the UMC-1, and have an interest in the XMC-1. but I have yet been able to find a picture of the rear connections on the XMC-1. If the only problem slowing down the release of the XMC-1 is the perfection of the TACT system, which I believe would use the "mic" input on the front of the unit, why can't I see the rear connections? It would aid in the planning of using the unit to it's full potentional. Thank You.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 13, 2013 2:49:08 GMT -5
This XMC-1 rear shot from EmoFest was posted by Dan right before the show, it's not official but probably close. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 9:27:40 GMT -5
I am a man of constant patience. I've been patient thru four wars:
..... The Tail End of WWII
..... The Vietnam War
..... The War With My Ex-Wife
..... The War With Our HOA
I can be a little more patient waiting for the XMC-1.
However, if my patience were to run out tomorrow here is what I would do:
Knowing that the UMC-200 is such a great pre-pro for the money and no garbage bells and whistles that I don't need, I would:
..... Buy the UMC-200 now on sale at $599 w/5 year transferable warranty.
..... Keep all the original packing and the UMC-200 itself in pristine/mint condition.
..... Buy the XMC-1 when released and sell the UMC-200. With 4.5 or 4 years left on the warranty and in mint condition, plus it weights only 16 lbs boxed, the UMC-200 should go for a good price at the Emporium. I would loose very little money while having owned a temporary pre-pro. With the 40% card the XMC-1 will cost only $900.
..... If I love the UMC-200 by then I'll keep it and sell the XMC-1 factory sealed for a good price. I'll have the 25% card from the UMC-200 to use on the next pre-pro after the XMC-1 if I live that long?
Did I miss anything? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by calvinhobbe on Apr 13, 2013 13:52:25 GMT -5
You're not a very good pessimist, Mickey. No. I figure that Dan has seen this scenario before. Therefore, he would build contingency clauses into the contract to protect Emotiva in such an event. I would. You can try all you want, when and IF it hits the courts contractual agreements are way at the bottom of the list. It is the receiver, then the secured creditors and by that time there is zero left for those development etc contracts. The contract becomes fire starter as that is the value of a negotiated contract when some firm or individual hits the financial failure, which some of the links on the web are starting to indicate (legal filings against the firm, not gossip forums). I doubt Emo would have become a top level secured creditor considering Boz and his business risk to previous creditors. Let's hope Boz isn't forced into receivership or bankruptcy causing more issues to all those who have purchased TacT products.
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2013 14:36:47 GMT -5
No. I figure that Dan has seen this scenario before. Therefore, he would build contingency clauses into the contract to protect Emotiva in such an event. I would. You can try all you want, when and IF it hits the courts contractual agreements are way at the bottom of the list. It is the receiver, then the secured creditors and by that time there is zero left for those development etc contracts. The contract becomes fire starter as that is the value of a negotiated contract when some firm or individual hits the financial failure, which some of the links on the web are starting to indicate (legal filings against the firm, not gossip forums). I doubt Emo would have become a top level secured creditor considering Boz and his business risk to previous creditors. Let's hope Boz isn't forced into receivership or bankruptcy causing more issues to all those who have purchased TacT products. For me I guess it comes down to do I trust Big Dan to know what he's doing or do I not (as if that makes a difference in the scheme of things) and personally, I trust him. The results of his business acumen are right here in front of us, the success of Emotiva. There's no other company like them and I mean that in a good way.
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