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Post by brijenjas on May 21, 2013 21:48:59 GMT -5
after installing the 1st firmware, listed as successful. When I turned back on the UMC, it is stuck on "loading" loop. SUggestions? Try loading file four to get it out of the loading loop, that's what worked for me, I then used DenisT's method.
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Post by doc1963 on May 21, 2013 21:55:26 GMT -5
I did Doc's version but it seems to be in a loading loop. Won't come out. The only way to recover from the dreaded "loading loop" is to successfully load the 4th file (unchecking the first three). After a successful load (one where you actually see a progress bar and should last about 5-10 minutes), quit the loader (using the Quit button). Unplug the USB cable from the back of the UMC-200 and reboot it. It "should" load, but you will see DSP and OSD "mismatch" errors. It "should" then come to rest with "Cable - HDMI 1" in the display.
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Post by SticknStones on May 21, 2013 21:58:10 GMT -5
Sounds like a bad 4 th file download, maybe you should reload all files from the Emotiva. If not might have a bad UMC unit.. Mel You never know so I will download now. I did a fresh download and also decided to use the winrar product instead of Stuffit to do the extract and put in a separate folder. Tried both techniques and still dead. Thanks all I will call the shop tomorrow and see what we can do. Whatever they would do in-house is what I will want to try and do from home prior to RMA.
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Post by meldhache on May 21, 2013 22:01:43 GMT -5
I just wonder if the type of windows running may account for the various success . In my case i used a old dell inspirons 5160 running xp sp3 windows. I am a Apple Guy and i wonder if Emotiva may try to do a mac version, i am quite sure it should work better.. Mel
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Post by doc1963 on May 21, 2013 22:02:04 GMT -5
Just as a suggestion...
If you are/were a UMC-1 owner and used the same PC to perform the UMC-1 updates, make sure you uninstall the older (or even newer) USB Express drivers before installing the new TWE loader app. The new TWE loader will install the USB Express drivers that it is designed to work with.
This may have some bearing upon your success or failure updating the UMC-200.
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Post by meldhache on May 21, 2013 22:06:55 GMT -5
Interesting doc, I am a first time owner of the Emotiva UMC, you have a point there..
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Post by cwt on May 21, 2013 22:43:35 GMT -5
I believe the display is describing the source format, so "L C R Ls Rs Cs+LFE" is correct. Thats a shame since it does the right thing reading pl2x etc as an output when a dsp is applied giving exactly what your listening too .Maybe when the xmc1 is released we can look forward to the bit depth as well as the sampling rate ; 24/48 for instance that would be a nice touch
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Post by savora on May 21, 2013 22:49:35 GMT -5
THe denist method worked. Thanks!
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Post by srrndhound on May 22, 2013 0:12:01 GMT -5
I believe the display is describing the source format, so "L C R Ls Rs Cs+LFE" is correct. That's a shame since it does the right thing reading PLIIx etc as an output when a dsp is applied giving exactly what your listening too. Not sure what the problem is. When DTS 6.1 discrete is played (or 7.1 mixes, too), it is not possible to apply PLIIx, so the fact that it does not appear in the display is only right and proper. Sample rate, yes. But bit depth would be useless most of the time, as it does not exist in DTS or DD, and for TrueHD it would read 24 bits regardless of the source wordlength.
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Post by srrndhound on May 22, 2013 0:20:08 GMT -5
I just wonder if the type of windows running may account for the various success . In my case i used a old dell inspirons 5160 running xp sp3 windows. After all the trouble I reported trying, and eventually succeeding, in loading the code with my MacBook Pro with XP (SP3), I thought I owed it to the '200 to try a fresh load using a Dell Inspiron 600m with the same XP (SP3) OS. Tried the PDF process a few times, tried the Denist version and variations thereof several more times. Gave up and finally got the code reloaded with the Mac, which again was an arduous task. Bottom line, I did not find a the native Windows XP platform any better.
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Post by saarg on May 22, 2013 1:09:47 GMT -5
You never know so I will download now. I did a fresh download and also decided to use the winrar product instead of Stuffit to do the extract and put in a separate folder. Tried both techniques and still dead. Thanks all I will call the shop tomorrow and see what we can do. Whatever they would do in-house is what I will want to try and do from home prior to RMA. Didn't someone in this thread get the 4th file to load by NOT changing to re-program? Might be worth a try. I also had the upgrade main cpu in the front panel, but I only got it on the first 3 files. Never on the 4th.
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Post by cwt on May 22, 2013 1:26:52 GMT -5
That's a shame since it does the right thing reading PLIIx etc as an output when a dsp is applied giving exactly what your listening too. Not sure what the problem is. When DTS 6.1 discrete is played (or 7.1 mixes, too), it is not possible to apply PLIIx, so the fact that it does not appear in the display is only right and proper. No problem what I was getting at was just contrasting /pointing out that the osd does say what the output is ie dts hd +pl2x [ if it was a 5.1 lossless track ] rather than what the input is specifically for the source format as you said [leaving in the cs ] . It would read either 16/48 or 24/48 for truehd both are possible depending on the age of the bd ;newer ones after the 80's usually get the higher bit depth iirc . No biggie i find it just an indication how much bandwidth has been given over to the video encode vs the audio when your making compressed m2ts files and how to set parameters in your software
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Post by SticknStones on May 22, 2013 13:05:37 GMT -5
Hi Friends. I spoke with Keith today to describe my attempts to RE-install the firmware. I wanted to do the RE-install as the EMO-Q was giving me faulty cross-over settings and while I could change them manually I logically also sensed that the PEQ settings would also be affected.
I was stuck in Main CPU upgrade no matter what I did. Keith asked if I had done any reboots on computer since I started and I said no.
He mentioned that the Loader Application process will continue to run unless you use task manager to kill the process or reboot. I chose to reboot and he then recommended that I use the alternate process to load file 4.
I did this and I got a pop up that said "file and device do not match". I hit enter and it began to write. I then did a set defaults, ran EMO-Q and the Left Surround was dropped out.
I check cables as I have to turn the processor around to get to the FW USB input. And they were fine.
I chose to reinstall everything again because of the popup message and get a clean install with no mishaps using the Emotiva PDF instructions so I did a reboot and all files installed successfully with progress bars demonstrating the write for all steps.
I just did a reset defaults and will try EMO-Q again a little later but thought I would share the need to reboot or kill loader task if you have an error.
regards,
Reg III
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Post by SticknStones on May 22, 2013 13:42:50 GMT -5
I did rerun EMO-q all my speakers are setting as 175Hz and subs at 250Hz. I have large B&W 802 mains rated at around 40Hz so I don't know. I will manually set the cross-overs and let the PEQ ride.
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Post by meldhache on May 22, 2013 15:38:55 GMT -5
Glad to hear that you got it working, reboot of computer between loading trials!? Strange that the emoq is giving you grief, mine went extremely well with my paradigms and sounded extremely well. Mel
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Post by meldhache on May 22, 2013 15:47:44 GMT -5
Doc1963, have you updated your son's UMC-200 yet? Mel
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Post by KeithL on May 22, 2013 16:03:55 GMT -5
I would manually set the crossovers to somewhere between 60 and 80 Hz, and see how it sounds. I did rerun EMO-q all my speakers are setting as 175Hz and subs at 250Hz. I have large B&W 802 mains rated at around 40Hz so I don't know. I will manually set the cross-overs and let the PEQ ride.
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Post by doc1963 on May 22, 2013 17:39:52 GMT -5
Doc1963, have you updated your son's UMC-200 yet? Mel Nope, He's putting it off until this weekend. I'll be sure to report back how it went.....
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Post by srrndhound on May 22, 2013 17:44:17 GMT -5
No problem what I was getting at was just contrasting /pointing out that the osd does say what the output is ie dts hd +pl2x [ if it was a 5.1 lossless track ] rather than what the input is specifically for the source format as you said [leaving in the cs ] . Thanks for clarifying. Ok. No, it will read 24 bit regardless of the source, which can be 16, 17...23, 24 bits. If the source is 16 bits, the lossless decoder outputs 24 bits of data, the 8 LSBs being zeros.
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Post by davep on May 22, 2013 17:47:25 GMT -5
So not overly successful here. Using first the PDF method, I started the firmware update, to the letter, and it started well (I guess), with the first module loading and getting a 'successful' note in the column. Switch it off and back on again, reload the updater, push the standby, and then the eternal loading loop.
Then onto the Denis method. Following that, it seemed to start at module #4 fine, then it failed #1, progressing and supposedly sucessfully installing #2, before failing #3. The updater then went back and retried #1, which failed again, then #3, which also failed again.
After multiple iteration of the Denis method, including installing #4, #1, #2 then #3 one by one didnt help, nor reinstalling #4 to be able to attempt a sequential PDF method again didnt work. 3ish hours later I gave up for the night. Tried two laptops - an XP machine, and a Windows 8 machine running the program in XP compatibility mode, both didnt work. Will try a different USB cable and my work Win7 laptop tonight.
The irony of the night was flicking on the TV to have some background noise, and being informed of a firmware update for the TV, pressing 'ok' and 3 minutes later its installed.
If all goes well, the most frustrating thing (assuming I eventually get a successful firmware install at some point) will be having now removed the UMC-200 from the rack to get better access to the USB port for various iteration attempts will now result in a good 2 hours of work to get it back in place.
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