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Post by aussie on Sept 23, 2013 19:34:20 GMT -5
Why are folks still going on and on about the price of the XMC-1 and/or the politics of marketing, it's old already!
We all get it, all points are valid in one way or another but end of the day it changes nothing in relation to the XMC-1 and what it does or doesn't do or the price point it's now placed at. No-one likes a increase of cost to anything, not the company trying to sell something or the customer trying to buy it.
I'm one of the people who lusted after the XMC-1 but wont be buying due to the price increase, but only because it's now above my means not because it's any less of a product or any less value at it's new price point. Just plain and simple it's a "want" that my budget wont allow so I will continue doing what I've always done and just concentrate on products that are within my budget limitations. We seem to place way too much import on wants these days, I wonder how many "needs" get left behind or forgot in place of wants in a lot of peoples lives.
Anyway, why keep flogging a dead horse. Fact is for whatever reasons Emotiva has stated a new price and it's within their rights to do so, if you can afford it and like the features it offers, buy the dang thing...If you don't move on and look for something else to satisfy your needs/budgets, life's too short to just keep throwing a ball back and forth and playing catch forever.
I'm sure the XMC-1 still offers great value for what's packed into it, you know the current price being offered...buy it or don't once it's of avail. Even though I'm not going to be buying the XMC-1 I'd still like to hear more about it and peoples thoughts etc as it's still very interesting even to those who may not be able to buy it, but going over and over about a price or practice gets no-where and boring and has little to do with the product itself.
Sorry for the rant and no fingers pointed at anyone, I'm just so over it..
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Post by klinemj on Sept 23, 2013 19:45:41 GMT -5
I can't believe I am still reading this thread...and posting in it!
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Post by RightinLA on Sept 23, 2013 20:12:47 GMT -5
When I see it, I'll believe it!
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Post by TKO on Sept 24, 2013 8:57:23 GMT -5
Personally, FWIW, I have no issues with Emotiva for making the business decisions they did related to the pricing of this and any of their other products. It is their business and they have to respond to their financial needs and obligations and not to the wishes of the fans. I am reminded of the famous quote by Johnny Kerr: “If a coach starts listening to fans, he winds up sitting next to them.” So let's keep them in business and successful. The audio industry needs competition and the continuing disappearance of companies and products is proof positive that we need the Emotivas and others to continue even if you/we don't want to buy their products.
What I think they should do in the interests of developing a world class customer service reputation is to take the ever-dwindling list of people who originally reserved it prior to the price change announcement and offer them an incentive to say "thanks for considering us when you could have chosen to buy a competitor's product. As a token of our appreciation we are offering you a discount incentive of $250.00* on the purchase of a new XMC-1". * i.e. split the $500.00 difference and not to be combined with any other discount incentive.
Cheers.
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Post by deewan on Sept 24, 2013 13:36:22 GMT -5
If the $500 increase is because of manufacturing cost and licence fee increases, Emotiva could lose money or make only a few pennies by splinting the $500 increase. I am sure Emotiva tried everything possible to keep the $1499 price or close to it, but when that price was found to be too low I'm guessing they went with a price that gave them the same ROI or profit margin. Or something like that.
But I do agree that a little something extra would be very cool for those who stayed true from the beginning. Heck even something like a free XMC-1 Emo t-shirt or special paper certificate thrown in the box would be nice. Only for those XMC's that are purchased from the reserve list. Most people may view it as a throw away item, but it would give me a feeling of being appreciated. I'm not expecting anything though. The hard work and relentless dedication to bringing this item to market is enough in my mind to justify it's price, at $1499 or $1999.
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Post by dubs on Sept 24, 2013 15:07:32 GMT -5
I agree that Emotiva should be able to price their products as they see fit. I too have been waiting for this product to come out for quite a while. I still think it will be a great product. The biggest difference in my feelings with the price change is that now it puts it in the same price ranges with other well know processors for similar money . Marantz 8801, Yamaha CX-A5000, etc. as well as some used high end gear like Classe and others. Before I would have bought it the minute it came out based on the price and features. Now I will wait for the reviews.
Sound being everything.
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Post by music1st on Sept 24, 2013 20:37:50 GMT -5
I feel the same as dubs. I was initially very excited about the XMC-1 and I planned on taking a chance and buying it when it started to ship, but since the unexpected 30% price increase, I've taken a more neutral stance. I will now wait to read the reviews. I'm still hoping that it's an excellent processor because I love the idea of being able to see room response measurements and make quick changes to the room correction software through my computer (something that I believe is lacking with most of the competition). I do however have some concern about buying a $2,000 processor in 2014 that doesn't have HDMI 2.0. Unlike many of the people that post on this forum, I don't upgrade receivers/processors every year or two. I've only owned receivers up until now and I usually keep them for 8-10 years before moving them from the main system to the bedroom and then finally the garage. A processor doesn't have the ability to move to my bedroom because I have no space for an amplifier. For this reason I would prefer to have the newer HDMI technology to be covered for the future. I know that Emotiva plans to make an upgrade in the future, and I'm sure that they intend to, but one thing that the XMC-1 development saga has reminded me is that nobody knows what the future brings.
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Post by cwt on Sept 25, 2013 3:11:14 GMT -5
I do however have some concern about buying a $2,000 processor in 2014 that doesn't have HDMI 2.0. Unlike many of the people that post on this forum, I don't upgrade receivers/processors every year or two. I've only owned receivers up until now and I usually keep them for 8-10 years before moving them from the main system to the bedroom and then finally the garage. A processor doesn't have the ability to move to my bedroom because I have no space for an amplifier. For this reason I would prefer to have the newer HDMI technology to be covered for the future. I know that Emotiva plans to make an upgrade in the future, and I'm sure that they intend to, but one thing that the XMC-1 development saga has reminded me is that nobody knows what the future brings. Understandable music 1st ; the way I look at it is none of the other upmarket pre pro's with the exception of one particularly exxy one starting with K have any capability of being upgraded to hdmi2.0 ;the xmc1 has everything in place to do so at least and that extra hdmi cut out port only reinforces the thought I too am very wary of future proof promises having owned - been flimflammed ] by an integra dtr10.5 so was very encouraged by the plugin ribbon cables on the xmc1 pcb's ;)I also expect dual output 4k mvec? bluray players as a possible interim solution when the new standard emerges .
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Post by darien87 on Sept 25, 2013 11:42:39 GMT -5
I've only owned receivers up until now and I usually keep them for 8-10 years before moving them from the main system to the bedroom and then finally the garage. So how many receivers do you have in the garage?
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Post by darien87 on Sept 25, 2013 12:17:32 GMT -5
Here's my issue with the price increase, The UMC-1 has never worked flawlessly for me. I still get audio drops quite often. So I've been waiting and waiting and waiting on the XMC. I think I've been pretty loyal to Emotiva up to this point. How many people replace a piece of defective gear with another more expensive product from the same company? I know I usually tend to swear off companies that don't meet my expectations pretty quickly. But I LOVE my Emotiva amps and when the UMC is working correctly sounds great.
But to add insult to injury, I recently bought a Panasonic BD player with dual HDMI outs to bypass the video section of the UMC-1 so that I can watch my 3D BD's. Well it turns out that even when using the analog outs of the BD player for audio, if I have the 2nd HDMI cable connected to the UMC-1, it freaks out and the audio cuts in and out. I have to actually disconnect the HDMI cable from the UMC-1 completely to be able to watch a 3D BD and play surround sound. So after spending another $200 to figure out a work-around to bypass the UMC it still doesn't work right! It looks like the only way I can get the UMC-1 to play nice with my BD player would be to buy an HDMI splitter so I can just use 1 of the HDMI outs of the BD player. Yet more money I'd have to spend to get to where I want to be.
I don't fault Emotiva for the price increase. If the XMC costs more to make than they anticipated then that's the breaks. I just feel that I have spent a lot of money with Emotiva and the original price of the XMC was already at the top of my budget. So after my years of issues with the UMC-1, the extremely long wait for the XMC-1 and now the higher price tag, I'm just kind of over it. Who knows, I may change my mind next year if the XMC rollout goes well and people are raving about the unit. We'll see.
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Post by jim7777777 on Sept 26, 2013 4:06:46 GMT -5
I'm fine with Emo raising the price of the XMC-1. They have commercial realities that they have to work within.
I've revised my plans and won't be buying one. I bought a PT-7020 instead to tide me over.
I'll wait till the RMC-1 is released before I use my 40% voucher. The XMC-1 now doesn't squeeze in under our import limits so if I'm going to get reamed on import duty I may as well get the flagship unit.
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Post by cohiba on Sept 26, 2013 6:29:44 GMT -5
I'll wait till the RMC-1 is released before I use my 40% voucher. +1. Same here
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Post by deewan on Sept 26, 2013 8:07:24 GMT -5
cohiba, I like your signature. I wonder with the price increase how many "Planned: XMC" or "Waiting for: XMC" statements will be changed to "Waiting for RMC".
Also, in a somewhat related topic, I've been a little surprised that the 40% cards people are unloading aren't selling for much more now than when the XMC was $1499. The card value changed from a savings of $600 to a savings of $800, yet the cards are only selling for $20-$40 more from what I have seen on ebay and the forums here. Could be the market is saturated or everyone who wants one has one. But I figured the price would be closer to $300-$400.
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Post by freerider on Sept 26, 2013 10:50:58 GMT -5
I've got one I'd let go. PM me if you want it.
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Post by harrison20 on Sept 26, 2013 11:33:18 GMT -5
Why argue about this when it is still months and months away (if then)
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 26, 2013 11:35:43 GMT -5
cohiba, I like your signature. I wonder with the price increase how many "Planned: XMC" or "Waiting for: XMC" statements will be changed to "Waiting for RMC". Also, in a somewhat related topic, I've been a little surprised that the 40% cards people are unloading aren't selling for much more now than when the XMC was $1499. The card value changed from a savings of $600 to a savings of $800, yet the cards are only selling for $20-$40 more from what I have seen on ebay and the forums here. Could be the market is saturated or everyone who wants one has one. But I figured the price would be closer to $300-$400. I've seen several of the cards go between $300-$400 on eBay.
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Post by flamingeye on Sept 26, 2013 12:47:54 GMT -5
Luckily I've never heard of any other manufacturer failing to hit a price point, or raising the price on a product just before (or after) releasing it (But I do seem to recall reading how we had a virtually unlimited supply of oil that would be available in the US - but only if gas hit the "ridiculous" price of fifty cents a gallon.) I think you need to look back about ten or twenty years at "news" items about new models of electric and hybrid cars; and the mileage and price tags they were promised for; and the release dates. Plans change and, regrettable, expectations aren't always met. Believe me, we'd LOVE to sell the XMC-1 for $1000; we'd sell more of them at that price; but we simply can't do it. If the pricing and availability of the XMC-1 was a sinister plot, we could have done sinister a lot better [/quote]I'd love to see a sinister XMC-1 , I believe Emotiva could do it
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Post by chaosrv on Sept 26, 2013 12:53:47 GMT -5
Luckily I've never heard of any other manufacturer failing to hit a price point, or raising the price on a product just before (or after) releasing it (But I do seem to recall reading how we had a virtually unlimited supply of oil that would be available in the US - but only if gas hit the "ridiculous" price of fifty cents a gallon.) I think you need to look back about ten or twenty years at "news" items about new models of electric and hybrid cars; and the mileage and price tags they were promised for; and the release dates. Plans change and, regrettable, expectations aren't always met. Believe me, we'd LOVE to sell the XMC-1 for $1000; we'd sell more of them at that price; but we simply can't do it. If the pricing and availability of the XMC-1 was a sinister plot, we could have done sinister a lot better I'd love to see a sinister XMC-1 , I believe Emotiva could do it [/quote] You mean the putting the volume knob on the left side?
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Post by deewan on Sept 26, 2013 12:59:29 GMT -5
I've seen several of the cards go between $300-$400 on eBay. I stand corrected. I've only followed a few auctions and they haven't reach much above $240.
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Post by wbroshea on Sept 26, 2013 13:08:01 GMT -5
I've seen several of the cards go between $300-$400 on eBay. I stand corrected. I've only followed a few auctions and they haven't reach much above $240. I too have only seen them go around 240-275. Only one I could find above 300 is one that sold for 375 off of a best offer. I have seen plenty ask for more but not sell. It seems to make sense to me as the selling rate was approximately 33% of the save rate (200 to 600) and now it should be around 266 to stay at that same percentage. Maybe I am missing the auctions lcseminole is talking about.
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