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Post by richardrc on Mar 7, 2014 15:57:11 GMT -5
Is the Dirac "upgrade" something that can be purchased later?
What guarantees are in place to ensure that the servers will still be operational in say 10 years and will Emo or Dirac be hosting them?
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Post by architect7 on Mar 7, 2014 17:49:46 GMT -5
At this point there is no single "thing" delaying the XMC-1 - the whole process is moving along quite nicely but, make no mistake, it IS a big project to manufacture a complex product like the XMC-1... The hardware design is final; parts are being built; lots of parts are on their way here already. (We're talking about critical paths and time lines here; so, yes, having to redesign the HMDI board did push other things forward - but it's nowhere near as simple as not being to finish off the den because you changed your mind about the paneling and now you're waiting for them to deliver the new color. If you know anything about manufacturing, then you know how much is involved in bringing a complicated product like the XMC-1 to market. ) We're still doing a little final debugging and tweaking on the firmware - because we want to make sure the XMC-1 works just-so before we start selling them. We're also finishing up rearranging our facilities (to put our new building into full service)... which is also a big project... The Dirac software itself is done, but our software guys and their software guys are still working out a few details. (We're going to make sure that the version of Dirac you get in the XMC-1 does everything it needs to; they want to make sure there are at least a few reasons left why you might want to upgrade to the $900 "premium version".) If I understand what you wrote, the delays are not caused by HDMI updates but by Dirac. Is that correct? Awesome, thank you for the very complete answer. Can't wait
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Post by RightinLA on Mar 9, 2014 10:11:53 GMT -5
This is a good update and reading between the lines, I wouldn't expect to see the XMC-1 being available until late summer or fall of 2014 - perhaps in time for Emofest 2014. Again this all points to the fact that Emotiva aka Big Dan needs to refrain from announcing any definite product shipping dates until it is really done and not just "optimistically close" to being done. It is also why there has been so much criticism when premature or false announcements are made which end up being incorrect. That is - the previously announced dates were a figment of an overly optimistic mind and had little basis in reality.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 9, 2014 10:40:28 GMT -5
Richardrc...you can buy full Dirac now. Or later.
As for what guarantees it...see whatever guarantee Dirac has for its software and that for the XMC.
Mark
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Post by richardrc on Mar 9, 2014 17:24:54 GMT -5
Thanks Mark. I was referring to the fact that you don't really own the Dirac software as you are reliant on them being in business; this coupled with Big D's statement along the lines that this will be the last processor upgrade for 10-15 years.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 9, 2014 18:10:26 GMT -5
I get that...and more and more with things we "buy" being reliant on the net, this will be a question for many things. As an example, the software to program a Logitech remote is on the net. What if it goes away? We are stuck with the last setup we programmed the remote with before their site goes down.
Net, we have to go to the company issuing the tool's warranty.
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Post by petew on Mar 9, 2014 18:46:31 GMT -5
at least you still have 11 band eq on the XMC-1 if Dirac goes off line. Maybe emo should sell an XMC-1 LT without automated room correction.
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Post by redog on Mar 9, 2014 20:48:07 GMT -5
At this point there is no single "thing" delaying the XMC-1 - the whole process is moving along quite nicely but, make no mistake, it IS a big project to manufacture a complex product like the XMC-1... The hardware design is final; parts are being built; lots of parts are on their way here already. (We're talking about critical paths and time lines here; so, yes, having to redesign the HMDI board did push other things forward - but it's nowhere near as simple as not being to finish off the den because you changed your mind about the paneling and now you're waiting for them to deliver the new color. If you know anything about manufacturing, then you know how much is involved in bringing a complicated product like the XMC-1 to market. ) We're still doing a little final debugging and tweaking on the firmware - because we want to make sure the XMC-1 works just-so before we start selling them. We're also finishing up rearranging our facilities (to put our new building into full service)... which is also a big project... The Dirac software itself is done, but our software guys and their software guys are still working out a few details. (We're going to make sure that the version of Dirac you get in the XMC-1 does everything it needs to; they want to make sure there are at least a few reasons left why you might want to upgrade to the $900 "premium version".) Awesome, thank you for the very complete answer. Can't wait With this version of Dirac do you have to connect to a pc? Or is there going to be a way to run the room correction without?
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 9, 2014 22:40:26 GMT -5
at least you still have 11 band eq on the XMC-1 if Dirac goes off line. Maybe emo should sell an XMC-1 LT without automated room correction. UMC-500 Cheers Gary
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Post by weigle2 on Mar 10, 2014 6:36:01 GMT -5
Awesome, thank you for the very complete answer. Can't wait With this version of Dirac do you have to connect to a pc? Or is there going to be a way to run the room correction without? redog, As KeithL stated, "The software will be run on a computer (probably a laptop); the microphone gets connected to the computer; the computer and the XMC-1 will BOTH have to be connected to your local network; and your local network will have to be connected to the Internet. The computer will take the measurements and, in conjunction with the servers at Dirac, will calculate the correction - which will then be downloaded directly to the XMC-1." This is on Page 3 of this thread, along with more info on how the Dirac/XMC-1 process works.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 10, 2014 6:39:07 GMT -5
Redog...and you can also use the manual PEQ.
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Post by redog on Mar 10, 2014 8:17:29 GMT -5
This is starting to sound a little to complicated for me. I'm guessing that the XMC is not solely dependent on the use of the Dirac software. Is there still sufficient reason to purchase this over the first gen version if I don't use Dirac?
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Post by architect7 on Mar 10, 2014 12:15:12 GMT -5
No more complicated than Anthem's DRC. Usually the best DRC solutions use an external computer for sheer processing power. Otherwise you'd be back to square one with a $20k Theta or Datasat pre/pro. In my opinion, it is much easier to use via laptop vs. limited component-based GUI.
Why would you not want to use Dirac? PEQ only addresses one small component of frequency response, nothing regarding phase or time domain. What do you mean by first gen version? First gen of what?
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Post by redog on Mar 10, 2014 12:34:34 GMT -5
No more complicated than Anthem's DRC. Usually the best DRC solutions use an external computer for sheer processing power. Otherwise you'd be back to square one with a $20k Theta or Datasat pre/pro. In my opinion, it is much easier to use via laptop vs. limited component-based GUI. Why would you not want to use Dirac? PEQ only addresses one small component of frequency response, nothing regarding phase or time domain. What do you mean by first gen version? First gen of what? I thought the XSP-1 was the original version or first generation of the XMC. I have not used anything other than audyssey in my system, so this is all new to me. My system currently consist of a Marantz nr1403, crown xls 1500 amp, and Goldenear triton 2's. I am in the market for a better pre/pro, but feel like Dirac may be for someone with more experience than I currently have.
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Post by flak on Mar 10, 2014 12:48:10 GMT -5
No more complicated than Anthem's DRC. Usually the best DRC solutions use an external computer for sheer processing power. Otherwise you'd be back to square one with a $20k Theta or Datasat pre/pro. In my opinion, it is much easier to use via laptop vs. limited component-based GUI. Why would you not want to use Dirac? PEQ only addresses one small component of frequency response, nothing regarding phase or time domain. What do you mean by first gen version? First gen of what? I thought the XSP-1 was the original version or first generation of the XMC. I have not used anything other than audyssey in my system, so this is all new to me. My system currently consist of a Marantz nr1403, crown xls 1500 amp, and Goldenear triton 2's. I am in the market for a better pre/pro, but feel like Dirac may be for someone with more experience than I currently have. Hello Redog, Dirac Live is sophisticated enough to be easy to use... you'll find an explanation of the necessary steps here: www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/viewpoint/0413/aa_chapter_163.htm Flavio
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Post by ansat on Mar 10, 2014 13:51:24 GMT -5
No more complicated than Anthem's DRC. Usually the best DRC solutions use an external computer for sheer processing power. Otherwise you'd be back to square one with a $20k Theta or Datasat pre/pro. In my opinion, it is much easier to use via laptop vs. limited component-based GUI. Why would you not want to use Dirac? PEQ only addresses one small component of frequency response, nothing regarding phase or time domain. What do you mean by first gen version? First gen of what? I thought the XSP-1 was the original version or first generation of the XMC. I have not used anything other than audyssey in my system, so this is all new to me. My system currently consist of a Marantz nr1403, crown xls 1500 amp, and Goldenear triton 2's. I am in the market for a better pre/pro, but feel like Dirac may be for someone with more experience than I currently have. Another option would be to utilize the free trial that Dirac offers. This way you can test the waters before you spend the $$ on the XMC. If you just want to see if you get along with the software you can use computer speakers and any microphone. Tony
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Post by geebo on Mar 10, 2014 13:58:26 GMT -5
No more complicated than Anthem's DRC. Usually the best DRC solutions use an external computer for sheer processing power. Otherwise you'd be back to square one with a $20k Theta or Datasat pre/pro. In my opinion, it is much easier to use via laptop vs. limited component-based GUI. Why would you not want to use Dirac? PEQ only addresses one small component of frequency response, nothing regarding phase or time domain. What do you mean by first gen version? First gen of what? I thought the XSP-1 was the original version or first generation of the XMC. I have not used anything other than audyssey in my system, so this is all new to me. My system currently consist of a Marantz nr1403, crown xls 1500 amp, and Goldenear triton 2's. I am in the market for a better pre/pro, but feel like Dirac may be for someone with more experience than I currently have. The XSP-1 is a two channel analog only preamp with bass and treble trims. No digital, no equalizer, and no room correction.
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Post by redog on Mar 10, 2014 14:11:40 GMT -5
I thought the XSP-1 was the original version or first generation of the XMC. I have not used anything other than audyssey in my system, so this is all new to me. My system currently consist of a Marantz nr1403, crown xls 1500 amp, and Goldenear triton 2's. I am in the market for a better pre/pro, but feel like Dirac may be for someone with more experience than I currently have. The XSP-1 is a two channel analog only preamp with bass and treble trims. No digital, no equalizer, and no room correction. I see.. They sure look like twins though! After reading through the Dirac link that was posted above it doesn't seem to be to complicated.
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Post by geebo on Mar 10, 2014 14:15:39 GMT -5
The XSP-1 is a two channel analog only preamp with bass and treble trims. No digital, no equalizer, and no room correction. I see.. They sure look like twins though! After reading through the Dirac link that was posted above it doesn't seem to be to complicated. I used the trial version and if you can use Audyssey, you can use Dirac. It's really pretty simple.
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Post by Erwin.BE on Mar 10, 2014 14:45:07 GMT -5
The Amarra version obviously only works with Amarra - and can only be used with source material played on Amarra, and with output hardware that you connect to Amarra (and on a Mac, of course). So, if you use your Mac and Amarra for playing stereo music, then you will ONLY be able to use it with stereo music you play on that computer. (Personally, since you can get FooBar2000 for free, or jRiver for $50, or the BitPerfect plugin for iTunes for somewhere around $10, and all of them can deliver the same perfect bits as Amarra, I am at a loss as to how anybody can justify the price of Amarra by itself, but I suppose it has some wondrous features I missed ). I missed this before, Keith. I am on Amarra since years and I upgraded to Amarra Symphony with iRC [Dirac]. It's totally clear you never heard Amarra. It has flaws, but they are not sonic. Never mind, keep using PC's.
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