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Post by mgbpuff on Nov 2, 2013 8:09:14 GMT -5
I agree - poor timing on a price increase. Emo has no Holiday spirit!
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Post by harri009 on Nov 2, 2013 9:27:42 GMT -5
Here was emotiva's response to that. "Hello Jeff, the XPR-1 is pure Class A/B output from watt 1. There is no rating in Class A. Vincent Chen Technical Support Emotiva Audio Corporation" That's not what I was told at Emofest. Then again Vincent was fired last summer so we can't ask him.. Hmm, I didn't know he was fired. Well you never know, perhaps he was fired for giving false info lol.
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Post by leonski on Nov 2, 2013 9:50:22 GMT -5
I must defend the EMO pricing practices. The 'Holiday Spirit' is perhaps the reasonable deals Year Round. Since such sales apparently come around on a semi-regular basis, I'd be READY to strike while the iron is hot. Have some cash squirrelled away waiting for the RIGHT piece to go on sale. That's what I'm doing since I wasn't ready this time.....but will be very shortly. Maybe the sale was going way better than expected and a price raise was OK'd by the guys upstairs? Who knows?
The best deal I can get at my local B+M (brick and morter) store is THEY'LL pay sales tax. Better deals may exist on stuff going away for good or if they are dropping a line. And that is on some Very Expensive stuff, indeed. Though here in town....meaning all of SoCal, I can find virtually ALL of the 'mid-fi' brands so I can find affordable...and some used, if I take the time and phone calls.... I can do somewhat better....maybe 10% off list....if I can simply use the store to order something and they 'pass it thru'...and don't have any on demo.
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Post by bootman on Nov 2, 2013 10:09:59 GMT -5
I must defend the EMO pricing practices. The 'Holiday Spirit' is perhaps the reasonable deals Year Round. Since such sales apparently come around on a semi-regular basis, I'd be READY to strike while the iron is hot. Have some cash squirrelled away waiting for the RIGHT piece to go on sale. That's what I'm doing since I wasn't ready this time.....but will be very shortly. Maybe the sale was going way better than expected and a price raise was OK'd by the guys upstairs? Who knows? The best deal I can get at my local B+M (brick and morter) store is THEY'LL pay sales tax. Better deals may exist on stuff going away for good or if they are dropping a line. And that is on some Very Expensive stuff, indeed. Though here in town....meaning all of SoCal, I can find virtually ALL of the 'mid-fi' brands so I can find affordable...and some used, if I take the time and phone calls.... I can do somewhat better....maybe 10% off list....if I can simply use the store to order something and they 'pass it thru'...and don't have any on demo. I can't on this one. If the price increased happened AFTER the sale, sure but DURING?! No real good reason for that. Just clear out your current inventory and take orders on the new higher price AFTER the sale. Why take a chance of pissing people off unless they don't want to sell XPR amps at the sale prices. You could have just excluded them now, then raise the price in 2014. Bad practice IMHO. It will only stir the pot and they really have no one to blame but themselves.
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Post by mg on Nov 2, 2013 11:21:00 GMT -5
I must defend the EMO pricing practices. The 'Holiday Spirit' is perhaps the reasonable deals Year Round. Since such sales apparently come around on a semi-regular basis, I'd be READY to strike while the iron is hot. Have some cash squirrelled away waiting for the RIGHT piece to go on sale. That's what I'm doing since I wasn't ready this time.....but will be very shortly. Maybe the sale was going way better than expected and a price raise was OK'd by the guys upstairs? Who knows? The best deal I can get at my local B+M (brick and morter) store is THEY'LL pay sales tax. Better deals may exist on stuff going away for good or if they are dropping a line. And that is on some Very Expensive stuff, indeed. Though here in town....meaning all of SoCal, I can find virtually ALL of the 'mid-fi' brands so I can find affordable...and some used, if I take the time and phone calls.... I can do somewhat better....maybe 10% off list....if I can simply use the store to order something and they 'pass it thru'...and don't have any on demo. I can't on this one. If the price increased happened AFTER the sale, sure but DURING?! No real good reason for that. Just clear out your current inventory and take orders on the new higher price AFTER the sale. Why take a chance of pissing people off unless they don't want to sell XPR amps at the sale prices. You could have just excluded them now, then raise the price in 2014. Bad practice IMHO. It will only stir the pot and they really have no one to blame but themselves. 1+^ I'm surprised none of this was announced. I understand most companies don't do price increase announcements , but Big Dan and the Staff have been good at letting us or giving us a heads up just as they did wih "no more sales after 2014". What happened here?
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Post by Poodleluvr on Nov 3, 2013 12:37:35 GMT -5
FWIW, I just noticed this change.-- I'm not sure when the shipping change started...
"Palletized Shipping Protects Your Shipment Since our Reference-series amplifiers are so large and heavy, we palletize (crate) them individually for shipping via LTL freight. This protects their precision electronics and fine finish from damage, and ensures that your amp will arrive in perfect condition."
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Post by novisnick on Nov 3, 2013 12:47:33 GMT -5
The Palletizing of the XPR-1 must be brand new, received mine in perfect condition and the were two day ground. By the way,,,, I LOVE THE XPR-1 what a great and dynamic piece of art!
Peace,
Nick
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Post by Poodleluvr on Nov 3, 2013 13:02:51 GMT -5
The Palletizing of the XPR-1 must be brand new, received mine in perfect condition and the were two day ground. By the way,,,, I LOVE THE XPR-1 what a great and dynamic piece of art! Peace, Nick The XPR series were formerly sent FED EX, just like other Emotiva Gear. It's probably still double boxed as usual, but the box is also now crated, and then the use of a commercial carrier for shipping. I'm thinking this adds to the shipping cost and the overall cost. I would think that if you received an XPR Amp via commercial carrier, if you return it instead of keeping it, it may be an expensive return coordinating the shipping return by yourself since Emotiva may expect the return shipped back to them in the same manner. Maybe a return is coordinated through Emotiva using their same carrier and Emotiva charges the purchaser for the return?
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Post by Poodleluvr on Nov 3, 2013 13:16:49 GMT -5
The Palletizing of the XPR-1 must be brand new, received mine in perfect condition and the were two day ground. By the way,,,, I LOVE THE XPR-1 what a great and dynamic piece of art! Peace, Nick The XPR series were formerly sent FED EX, just like other Emotiva Gear. It's probably still double boxed as usual, but the box is also now crated, and then the use of a commercial carrier for shipping. I'm thinking this adds to the shipping cost and the overall cost. I would think that if you received an XPR Amp via commercial carrier, if you return it instead of keeping it, it may be an expensive return coordinating the shipping return by yourself since Emotiva may expect the return shipped back to them in the same manner. Maybe a return is coordinated through Emotiva using their same carrier and Emotiva charges the purchaser for the return? emotiva.com/faq/"What courier service does Emotiva use? Our preferred courier is FedEx Ground, except for Reference (XPR) amplifiers, which are carried as LTL freight." "How long will it take to receive my shipment in the USA? Within the USA, FedEx shipping usually takes from 2-6 business days, depending on your relative distance to TN. LTL Freight will contact you with an estimate of shipping time."
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Post by Poodleluvr on Nov 3, 2013 13:21:21 GMT -5
The XPR series were formerly sent FED EX, just like other Emotiva Gear. It's probably still double boxed as usual, but the box is also now crated, and then the use of a commercial carrier for shipping. I'm thinking this adds to the shipping cost and the overall cost. I would think that if you received an XPR Amp via commercial carrier, if you return it instead of keeping it, it may be an expensive return coordinating the shipping return by yourself since Emotiva may expect the return shipped back to them in the same manner. Maybe a return is coordinated through Emotiva using their same carrier and Emotiva charges the purchaser for the return? emotiva.com/faq/"What courier service does Emotiva use? Our preferred courier is FedEx Ground, except for Reference (XPR) amplifiers, which are carried as LTL freight." "How long will it take to receive my shipment in the USA? Within the USA, FedEx shipping usually takes from 2-6 business days, depending on your relative distance to TN. LTL Freight will contact you with an estimate of shipping time." emotiva.com/faq/returns"How do I go about returning my gear? Repack the unit in its original packaging with all accessories, manuals, etc. Please note that in the case of our XPR-series amplifiers, which are delivered on an individual pallet, you must return it on a pallet, via the same LTL shipping carrier and service we used to first deliver it."
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Post by novisnick on Nov 3, 2013 13:21:52 GMT -5
Poodleluvr, that would be optimal if they coordinated the return and charged back the sender, not only would it all be optimal and under the eyes of Emotiva but I'm sure they would have a more favorable rate then you or I They've done that for me once before but they sure wound be getting my XPR-1 s unless ,,,,,,,,,,,I refuse to jinks myself, thank you,,,,,,,He,,,,,,,,,,He
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Post by Poodleluvr on Nov 3, 2013 13:27:45 GMT -5
Poodleluvr, that would be optimal if they coordinated the return and charged back the sender, not only would it all be optimal and under the eyes of Emotiva but I'm sure they would have a more favorable rate then you or I They've done that for me once before but they sure wound be getting my XPR-1 s unless ,,,,,,,,,,,I refuse to jinks myself, thank you,,,,,,,He,,,,,,,,,,He Peace, Nick "Please note that in the case of our XPR-series amplifiers, which are delivered on an individual pallet, you must return it on a pallet, via the same LTL shipping carrier and service we used to first deliver it." They say you return it the very same way. Looks to me like your on your own doing a return using the very same commercial carrier they use.
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Post by novisnick on Nov 3, 2013 13:41:34 GMT -5
I would pray not, and I think if you ask they would accommodate you. It's in there best interest and would make no sense. Keep you happy, it costs them near nothing, and your most likely , like me, to purchase another product from them. Every one wins. Yes it may cost more but it is a 99 lbs big $$$$$$$ toy that needs to be protected. I am nuts , I auditioned the XPA-1Ls and returned them for the XPR-1s.I need not tell you how much I love them,,,,,,,,,OPpppsss, I just did again.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 3, 2013 14:08:39 GMT -5
They deliver it on a pallet? I guess they've changed the way they deliver it now due to the weight. That's good.
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Post by chaosrv on Nov 3, 2013 14:20:15 GMT -5
While I do agree that Emotiva should have announced the increase I am guessing it has something to do with FedEx. Perhaps FedEx can longer accept the size/weight of the amps? I have no idea, honestly. I think we can all agree the new shipping method is going to cost Emotiva more money to implement: Simply due to the process and they also lose their economy of scale when shipping via FedEx since they aren't shipping nearly as many XPR's as all other gear. We all know there is no such thing as "Free Shipping" the cost is merely baked into the price. Which I am guessing they have done. So I "think" I can understand why the increase has occurred. It very well may have been out of their control. Eating that much of a increase could have made it unprofitable for them to even sell through the sale. That said, I do agree such a dramatic increase absolutely should have been announced. At the very least, to the faithful here are on message board. If I was in the market for an XPR amp I would upset as well. Perhaps we shall hear something form Dan, Nick, Nick or someone else on Monday. Edit - Here's a thought. Maybe FedEx was tired of all the workers compensation claims being filed by their employees due to the weight of the XPR amps. That, or the delivery guys were getting annoyed they couldn't throw the box like they can with smaller items.
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Post by Jim on Nov 3, 2013 14:23:52 GMT -5
The Palletizing of the XPR-1 must be brand new, received mine in perfect condition and the were two day ground. By the way,,,, I LOVE THE XPR-1 what a great and dynamic piece of art! Peace, Nick The packing material on both my XPR-5s was pretty jacked up due to rough handling. And the early XPR shipments were treated pretty badly until the packaging got reworked. I'm glad to see the freight treatment - but it can't be cheap. Freight can be a lot gentler.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 3, 2013 14:28:24 GMT -5
While I do agree that Emotiva should have announced the increase I am guessing it has something to do with FedEx. Perhaps FedEx can longer accept the size/weight of the amps? I have no idea, honestly. I think we can all agree the new shipping method is going to cost Emotiva more money to implement: Simply due to the process and they also lose their economy of scale when shipping via FedEx since they aren't shipping nearly as many XPR's as all other gear. We all know there is no such thing as "Free Shipping" the cost is merely baked into the price. Which I am guessing they have done. So I "think" I can understand why the increase has occurred. It very well may have been out of their control. Eating that much of a increase could have made it unprofitable for them to even sell through the sale. That said, I do agree such a dramatic increase absolutely should have been announced. At the very least, to the faithful here are on message board. If I was in the market for an XPR amp I would upset as well. Perhaps we shall hear something form Dan, Nick, Nick or someone else on Monday. Edit - Here's a thought. Maybe FedEx was tired of all the workers compensation claims being filed by their employees due to the weight of the XPR amps. That, or the delivery guys were getting annoyed they couldn't throw the box like they can with smaller items. I'm confused. I heard about the price increase. But I wasn't sure exactly what are we talking about. My confusion is twofold. How has the MSRP increased and how has the sale price increased?
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Post by jmasterj on Nov 3, 2013 15:04:16 GMT -5
Ok just how many turns will this thread take?
It started out asking how much Class A does the XPR-1 have. I didn't see any reference to Class A operation in any of the information on the XPR-1.
Then it morphed into the XPR-1 price increase during the current sale. I think it's probably more expensive to ship the XPR amps Thus the price increase.
Then it morphed into how Emotiva ships the XPR amps. They are large and heavy. Emotiva wants to make sure that you receive your amps without damage caused during shipping. I'm sure that's why they crate them and ship them LTL Freight. I for one can appreciate that. I can also understand that it could be a costly venture if for some reason you need to ship them back.
When I had to send my ERC-1 back to Emotiva for service it cost me $68.00 I was glad that Emotiva shipped it back to me free of charge after the repairs were made.
The later question back to the price increase we go. I believe I saw the XPR-1 with a sale price of $1329.00 a day or two ago it's now on sale for $1529.00 I could be wrong. I still think it beats anything on the market price wise for a 1000 watt mono block amp that's my humble opinion.
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Post by bub on Nov 3, 2013 16:18:21 GMT -5
Day late.. Dollar short.. Story of my life..I was putting together my xmas present to myself. Two xpr-1's plus...I'm a cynic ..And from New Jersey.. Not sure what came first.. I look at a Xmas sale as a gift to Emotiva.. I might save a dollar. But they will make a thousand for every dollar I save..I've been in business for 35 years.. If I did this during my highly advertised last sale , I would surely lose some of my customer base..Having said that. It's their company and they can do as they see fit. I would just say that good will and trust are rare commodities in business today. My business credo has served me well through the years.. Buy for 5. Sale for 4... Make it up with volume. At least make it seem that way..
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Post by harrison20 on Nov 3, 2013 16:47:48 GMT -5
Could have something to do with shipping, or could be because of bungled xpa-1l release, or bungled Carver acq., or bungled XMC-1 release, or insiders saying about to release tube amps when none really forthcoming in immediate future (apparently). Or maybe they just have such poor internal controls that they didn't know they were losing money on each and every XPR sale. In other words. What a mess.
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