|
Post by Jim on Nov 3, 2013 16:50:32 GMT -5
Could have something to do with shipping, or could be because of bungled xpa-1l release, or bungled Carver acq., or bungled XMC-1 release, or insiders saying about to release tube amps when none really forthcoming in immediate future (apparently). Or maybe they just have such poor internal controls that they didn't know they were losing money on each and every XPR sale. In other words. What a mess. Or it could be something beyond their control. I'm not saying the sudden price change is a good thing - but I imagine there is an explanation. I just wouldn't jump to the conclusion of they screwed up and had to change the price to compensate.
|
|
|
Post by leonski on Nov 3, 2013 22:41:08 GMT -5
EMO owns NO manufacturing for their electronics.....as far as I know. So, they are at the mercy of suppliers and builders. (Contract Builders). The contract builder may build Emo this month and NAD or ROTEL next month.
Quality is a BIG issue in such relationships. ISO does not guarantee such quality, even if the facility is so certified. Some companies have dropped out of this system finding quality and the cost and TIME of flying back and forth to Asia to be daunting. Communication and cultural nuance can also be an issue.
It may be difficult to insure the security of your intellectual property, as well. Your plans may migrate out the back door and down the street where somebody is making a pretty good (not great, mind you.) copy for 20% discount. Best of luck with THAT lawsuit.
You are also at the mercy of Exchange Rates dealing overseas. Dollar goes down and everything costs more....almost INSTANTLY. Some of the speculation about the Carver deal costing a bundle or the 'bungled' (someone elses words) 1L release....as well as a few other products which needed a little more vetting before release may also be on-track.
In short: I think EMO balances costs and benefits to the 'fans'. They don't raise prices on a whim but rather to ensure a decent profit and that they'll be around for the future.
If CHina revalued the Yuan, it would be upward and we'd all be in a world of hurt. Stay Tuned.
|
|
bootman
Emo VIPs
Typing useless posts on internet forums....
Posts: 9,358
|
Post by bootman on Nov 4, 2013 13:33:02 GMT -5
If CHina revalued the Yuan, it would be upward and we'd all be in a world of hurt. Stay Tuned. ...or it brings manufacturing back to the US quicker. Sorry to the OP but I couldn't resist. Back to XPR talk.
|
|
|
Post by moko on Nov 8, 2013 17:06:59 GMT -5
hi,
i think it's true that xpr-1 doesn't have class A on it. i read a review on audioholics and it said it's class AB that turns into class H at 340 watts (8 ohms) and 500 watts (4 ohms). i don't own xpr-1, but if i would upgrade my xpa-2 i'm more interested in xpa-1 gen 2.
btw anyone knows when the xpa-1 gen 2 will be released ?
|
|
novisnick
EmoPhile
CEO Secret Monoblock Society
Posts: 27,235
|
Post by novisnick on Nov 8, 2013 18:25:12 GMT -5
hi, i think it's true that xpr-1 doesn't have class A on it. i read a review on audioholics and it said it's class AB that turns into class H at 340 watts (8 ohms) and 500 watts (4 ohms). i don't own xpr-1, but if i would upgrade my xpa-2 i'm more interested in xpa-1 gen 2. btw anyone knows when the xpa-1 gen 2 will be released ? If you really want SWEET class A you have to hear the XPA-1Ls! I have and they make there own sweet sound and yeh it's not the same as the XPR-1s but it's where I would still be if I hadn't gone the R-1 route. Peace, Nick
|
|
|
Post by Poodleluvr on Nov 9, 2013 12:01:17 GMT -5
hi, i think it's true that xpr-1 doesn't have class A on it. i read a review on audioholics and it said it's class AB that turns into class H at 340 watts (8 ohms) and 500 watts (4 ohms). i don't own xpr-1, but if i would upgrade my xpa-2 i'm more interested in xpa-1 gen 2. btw anyone knows when the xpa-1 gen 2 will be released ? The XPA-1 Gen2 was forecasted to be released for the end of 2012 holiday season. I wouldn't rule out unpredictables like the a slow boat shipment from China. The XPA-1 Gen 2 was forecasted to sell at $999 while the XPA-1 Gen 1 is currently on sale @ $799. Upon anyone purchasing a pair of XPA-1s now, that would be a $400 savings, no class A, of course. IMO, I'm expecting some internal marketing competitiveness between the XPA-1 Series and the XPR-1 Series as a whole. I believe the new XPA-1 Gen 2 with the ability of 60W class of A will be a very clean running amp. A few years down the road, I wouldn't be surprised if an XPR-1 Gen 2 comes to fruition--- With Class A too. It's microprocessor controlled. I'm no engineer, but with the right technology implemented, I think it could be done.
|
|
|
Post by audiobill on Nov 9, 2013 12:26:52 GMT -5
hi, i think it's true that xpr-1 doesn't have class A on it. i read a review on audioholics and it said it's class AB that turns into class H at 340 watts (8 ohms) and 500 watts (4 ohms). i don't own xpr-1, but if i would upgrade my xpa-2 i'm more interested in xpa-1 gen 2. btw anyone knows when the xpa-1 gen 2 will be released ? The XPA-1 Gen2 was forecasted to be released for the end of 2012 holiday season. I wouldn't rule out unpredictables like the a slow boat shipment from China. The XPA-1 Gen 2 was forecasted to sell at $999 while the XPA-1 Gen 1 is currently on sale @ $799. Upon anyone purchasing a pair of XPA-1s now, that would be a $400 savings, no class A, of course. IMO, I'm expecting some internal marketing competitiveness between the XPA-1 Series and the XPR-1 Series as a whole. I believe the new XPA-1 Gen 2 with the ability of 60W class of A will be a very clean running amp. A few years down the road, I wouldn't be surprised if an XPR-1 Gen 2 comes to fruition--- With Class A too. It's microprocessor controlled. I'm no engineer, but with the right technology implemented, I think it could be done. I thought I read somewhere a $100 increase for the G2, making the savings $600 now!
|
|
|
Post by Poodleluvr on Nov 9, 2013 13:14:58 GMT -5
I personally haven't read or heard about a $100 price increase on the XPA-1 Gen 2 yet, but it sure is possible...
The normal msrp on the XPA-1s is $999 each. When on sale, $799 each. As we've been previously informed, the Emotiva sales throughout the year are going away. Emotiva product pricing will become much more stable and constant in the future. I wouldn't expect the XPA-1 Gen 2s to be on sale or discounted to where the XPA-1s are currently priced at now, $799 each. I'd guess the XPA-1 Gen 2 will be priced at $999 minimum each, maybe 100 bucks more, and then stay at that price throughout the year.
At currently 799.00 each, IMO, the XPA-1s are a steal.
As said, I believe an XPR-1 Gen 2 will appear a few years down the road. I believe it will be the best of all worlds per say.-- Class A first to a certain point, then switch over to class A/B to another point, and then switch over to class H for max power, all three classes controlled by a microprocessor. I don't have or use a crystal ball, but that's what I'm thinking....
If someone desires or needs at least 500w, and does not possess a very good pair of fully balanced mono blocks now, a plan to potentially consider would be to purchase a brand new pair of XPA-1s now while you still can. Don't forget you will have a 5 year warranty that is transferable.
If and when the XPR-1 Gen 2s come to fruition, at that time, you could then make your move up if you choose to...
|
|
|
Post by audiobill on Nov 9, 2013 13:26:45 GMT -5
I personally haven't read or heard about a $100 price increase on the XPA-1 Gen 2 yet, but it sure is possible... The normal msrp on the XPA-1s is $999 each. When on sale, $799 each. As we've been previously informed, the Emotiva sales throughout the year are going away. Emotiva product pricing will become much more stable and constant in the future. I wouldn't expect the XPA-1 Gen 2s to be on sale or discounted to where the XPA-1s are currently priced at now, $799 each. I'd guess the XPA-1 Gen 2 will be priced at $999 minimum each, maybe 100 bucks more, and then stay at that price throughout the year. At currently 799.00 each, IMO, the XPA-1s are a steal. As said, I believe an XPR-1 Gen 2 will appear a few years down the road. I believe it will be the best of all worlds per say.-- Class A first to a certain point, then switch over to class A/B to another point, and then switch over to class H for max power, all three classes controlled by a microprocessor. I don't have or use a crystal ball, but that's what I'm thinking.... If someone desires or needs at least 500w, and does not possess a very good pair of fully balanced mono blocks now, a plan to potentially consider would be to purchase a brand new pair of XPA-1s now while you still can. Don't forget you will have a 5 year warranty that is transferable. If and when the XPR-1 Gen 2s come to fruition, at that time, you could then make your move up if you choose to... Hey, that's my plan!!!!
|
|
|
Post by moko on Nov 9, 2013 14:56:51 GMT -5
hi, i think it's true that xpr-1 doesn't have class A on it. i read a review on audioholics and it said it's class AB that turns into class H at 340 watts (8 ohms) and 500 watts (4 ohms). i don't own xpr-1, but if i would upgrade my xpa-2 i'm more interested in xpa-1 gen 2. btw anyone knows when the xpa-1 gen 2 will be released ? If you really want SWEET class A you have to hear the XPA-1Ls! I have and they make there own sweet sound and yeh it's not the same as the XPR-1s but it's where I would still be if I hadn't gone the R-1 route. Peace, Nick hi nick, i own xpa-2 gen 2 which rated at 300 wpc. if i change it to xpa-1L (250 wpc) would it be a downgrade, no ? and beside xpa-1 gen 2 will have 60 watts of class A. I personally haven't read or heard about a $100 price increase on the XPA-1 Gen 2 yet, but it sure is possible... The normal msrp on the XPA-1s is $999 each. When on sale, $799 each. As we've been previously informed, the Emotiva sales throughout the year are going away. Emotiva product pricing will become much more stable and constant in the future. I wouldn't expect the XPA-1 Gen 2s to be on sale or discounted to where the XPA-1s are currently priced at now, $799 each. I'd guess the XPA-1 Gen 2 will be priced at $999 minimum each, maybe 100 bucks more, and then stay at that price throughout the year. At currently 799.00 each, IMO, the XPA-1s are a steal. As said, I believe an XPR-1 Gen 2 will appear a few years down the road. I believe it will be the best of all worlds per say.-- Class A first to a certain point, then switch over to class A/B to another point, and then switch over to class H for max power, all three classes controlled by a microprocessor. I don't have or use a crystal ball, but that's what I'm thinking.... If someone desires or needs at least 500w, and does not possess a very good pair of fully balanced mono blocks now, a plan to potentially consider would be to purchase a brand new pair of XPA-1s now while you still can. Don't forget you will have a 5 year warranty that is transferable. If and when the XPR-1 Gen 2s come to fruition, at that time, you could then make your move up if you choose to... my xpa-2 gen 2 is a powerful beast, dead quiet (no hiss or hum) and great sounding too. i don't see a reason why i should get a fully balanced amps if only to get lower noise floor. and the crosstalk of the xpa-2 gen 1 is on par with monoblocks. i think the gen 2 will have better measurements. but who knows if upgrade my speakers i might need that xpa-1 gen 2 cheers.
|
|
novisnick
EmoPhile
CEO Secret Monoblock Society
Posts: 27,235
|
Post by novisnick on Nov 9, 2013 15:27:00 GMT -5
I personally haven't read or heard about a $100 price increase on the XPA-1 Gen 2 yet, but it sure is possible... The normal msrp on the XPA-1s is $999 each. When on sale, $799 each. As we've been previously informed, the Emotiva sales throughout the year are going away. Emotiva product pricing will become much more stable and constant in the future. I wouldn't expect the XPA-1 Gen 2s to be on sale or discounted to where the XPA-1s are currently priced at now, $799 each. I'd guess the XPA-1 Gen 2 will be priced at $999 minimum each, maybe 100 bucks more, and then stay at that price throughout the year. At currently 799.00 each, IMO, the XPA-1s are a steal. As said, I believe an XPR-1 Gen 2 will appear a few years down the road. I believe it will be the best of all worlds per say.-- Class A first to a certain point, then switch over to class A/B to another point, and then switch over to class H for max power, all three classes controlled by a microprocessor. I don't have or use a crystal ball, but that's what I'm thinking.... If someone desires or needs at least 500w, and does not possess a very good pair of fully balanced mono blocks now, a plan to potentially consider would be to purchase a brand new pair of XPA-1s now while you still can. Don't forget you will have a 5 year warranty that is transferable. If and when the XPR-1 Gen 2s come to fruition, at that time, you could then make your move up if you choose to... Hey, that's my plan!!!!
|
|
novisnick
EmoPhile
CEO Secret Monoblock Society
Posts: 27,235
|
Post by novisnick on Nov 9, 2013 15:33:29 GMT -5
Audiophil, and poodlluver, that is a well thought out plan and I like it, but you will have to beat me senseless to get my XPR-1s from me. That said, I can't emagin the heat they would put out as a class A amp! The R-1s keep my C-12 fans running pretty good now. And keep a toasty room as well .
Peace,
Nick
|
|
novisnick
EmoPhile
CEO Secret Monoblock Society
Posts: 27,235
|
Post by novisnick on Nov 9, 2013 16:00:58 GMT -5
If you really want SWEET class A you have to hear the XPA-1Ls! I have and they make there own sweet sound and yeh it's not the same as the XPR-1s but it's where I would still be if I hadn't gone the R-1 route. Peace, Nick hi nick, i own xpa-2 gen 2 which rated at 300 wpc. if i change it to xpa-1L (250 wpc) would it be a downgrade, no ? and beside xpa-1 gen 2 will have 60 watts of class A. im a mono block fan myself, therefore I would go XPA-1Ls befor I would go fore the XPA-2 gen 2. do one job well, or do two jobs half as well. IMHO Nick I personally haven't read or heard about a $100 price increase on the XPA-1 Gen 2 yet, but it sure is possible... The normal msrp on the XPA-1s is $999 each. When on sale, $799 each. As we've been previously informed, the Emotiva sales throughout the year are going away. Emotiva product pricing will become much more stable and constant in the future. I wouldn't expect the XPA-1 Gen 2s to be on sale or discounted to where the XPA-1s are currently priced at now, $799 each. I'd guess the XPA-1 Gen 2 will be priced at $999 minimum each, maybe 100 bucks more, and then stay at that price throughout the year. At currently 799.00 each, IMO, the XPA-1s are a steal. As said, I believe an XPR-1 Gen 2 will appear a few years down the road. I believe it will be the best of all worlds per say.-- Class A first to a certain point, then switch over to class A/B to another point, and then switch over to class H for max power, all three classes controlled by a microprocessor. I don't have or use a crystal ball, but that's what I'm thinking.... If someone desires or needs at least 500w, and does not possess a very good pair of fully balanced mono blocks now, a plan to potentially consider would be to purchase a brand new pair of XPA-1s now while you still can. Don't forget you will have a 5 year warranty that is transferable. If and when the XPR-1 Gen 2s come to fruition, at that time, you could then make your move up if you choose to... my xpa-2 gen 2 is a powerful beast, dead quiet (no hiss or hum) and great sounding too. i don't see a reason why i should get a fully balanced amps if only to get lower noise floor. and the crosstalk of the xpa-2 gen 1 is on par with monoblocks. i think the gen 2 will have better measurements. but who knows if upgrade my speakers i might need that xpa-1 gen 2 cheers.
|
|
|
Post by leonski on Nov 10, 2013 0:40:16 GMT -5
The difference between 300 watts and 250 watts….for an 8 ohm speaker…is not even 1db. Headroom or dynamic power would make more of a difference. But all things being equal, it'd be tough to tell those 2 amps apart. Now, you MIGHT get some benefit in an all balanced system running the 1L amps. They are fully balanced. But you'll need a fully balanced PREAMP and SOURCE for fullest advantage. IMO, each conversion from balanced to single ended and BACK has sonic consequences. My DAC, a Cambridge Audio DACMagic+ has Balanced outs….but I doubt it IS a fully balanced design internally. But, once I do the conversion, I use balanced INS on my preamp, the whole thing is balanced after that. The 6db I gain using balanced and the terrific Mogami Cables are better tha most single ended…especially those I can afford!
I have low sensitivity panel speakers which are EASILY bi-wired OR bi-amped. A quartet of the 1L's would be a terrific way to go. No more power than my current 'd' amp, but the advantage of 'a' power for MOST of my listening and huge reserves. I would like to see the headroom measured on the 1L amps. But that's still a few months into the future and I may yet dodge in a different direction.
|
|
novisnick
EmoPhile
CEO Secret Monoblock Society
Posts: 27,235
|
Post by novisnick on Nov 10, 2013 0:55:12 GMT -5
Please stop kicking me, my second system begs for my missing XPA-1Ls ! For some types of music, I dare anyone to find a better amp at there price point I double dog dare you!
Peace,
Nick
|
|
|
Post by audiosanity on Nov 11, 2013 2:38:52 GMT -5
my xpa-2 gen 2 is a powerful beast, dead quiet (no hiss or hum) and great sounding too. i don't see a reason why i should get a fully balanced amps if only to get lower noise floor. and the crosstalk of the xpa-2 gen 1 is on par with monoblocks. i think the gen 2 will have better measurements. but who knows if upgrade my speakers i might need that xpa-1 gen 2 But until then, I would stick with the XPA-2.
|
|
|
Post by audiosanity on Nov 11, 2013 2:44:10 GMT -5
|
|