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Post by BassThatHz on Jul 19, 2014 20:07:12 GMT -5
Sorry, but I've already sold the XSP so I won't be able to make that comparison. Darn! I suppose I could connect the stereo Bass-Managed channels of the XMC-1 to the HT inputs on the XSP-1, so that I'd still retain stereo subs in music-mode (2-Ch Reference mode) and mono in movie-mode (7.1 Direct Mode) with all channels being XLR powered-outputs. That would work! [Even though no BluRay's or digital sources offer support beyond just mono .1 LFE yet. UHD4k-BluRay perhaps?]
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Post by Porscheguy on Jul 19, 2014 20:17:57 GMT -5
I haven't even been contacted yet about mine, and you already have yours......... I am not happy!!!!!
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Post by Jim on Jul 19, 2014 20:20:41 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that REW is a must do with the subwoofer channels, I'm not however a proponent of using it for the mains/center/surrounds. To me it constricts what the overall tonal qualities of what your particular speakers are supposed to sound like. I've tried my home theater with just the subs P-EQ'ed and also with all 7.2 channels P-EQ'ed, and I prefer just the subwoofers P-EQ'ed as there is a huge difference in cleaning up the muddiness in the low frequency range from around 15Hz to 100Hz or so. I'm hoping DIRAC can improve my thoughts on this. I've experienced that too - and my theory was that flat doesn't always sound good. It seemed that a little wavy FR sounds seemed more natural. I used a minidsp with REW and holmimpulse. It will be fascinating to see how Dirac compares.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 19, 2014 20:23:36 GMT -5
Indeed! All new gear is confusing for the first two weeks or so as your fingers adjust to the new remote and menu layout. Do you run stereo subs out of your XSP-1 in Reference Mode, by chance? I do, and my concern was that I'd have to drop down into Direct Mode on the XMC-1 to get the stereo subs. Not a huge deal but I wonder if there is a noticeable impact on the highs with the inline ADC? If so, I'd have to keep my XSP-1, as I prefer its powered outputs rather than resorting to using XLR Y-splitters on the L/R, that and... I enjoy my stereo subs in Reference Mode (I suppose you could say I'm spoiled in that regard by the XSP-1!) If not... just a general SQ-comparison of the two units would be great too! (Which I'm sure you will...) Sorry, but I've already sold the XSP so I won't be able to make that comparison. And along with everything else you'll need to fix your signature ...
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Post by Jim on Jul 19, 2014 20:25:22 GMT -5
I used PVC while constructing my home theater room. There is PVC for plumbing and also for electrical. Not sure what the difference is except that the electrical tubing might be a tad thicker? Not sure. One thing I would suggest is the size. Whatever you THINK you need go "BIGGER". My saying is "you never know". That is right now you may not even be thinking of upgrading cables but you do not know what the future will bring. Also the idea that you may add more equipment. Which means more cable. The second is to have patience. I have reorganized more times that I can think of for various reasons and patience is required especially when you originally thought what you did in the past would be permanent. One other thing that I tried to do and it did help. I did not disconnect every cable from all of my equipment. It saved time and was less confusing. I disconnected from one end and labeled the cable to what it was connected too. Nice wall unit. I believe gray electrical had the same thickness as plumbing depending on whether it's schedule 40 or 80. I believe that gray: Has UV resistance Had gentler turns/sweeps Is UL listed Required for NEC code compliance It's not that different than plumbing pvc, but the gentler sweeps can be important and the code compliance can be a big deal. I want to say that it's technically required for LV cabling too - plumbing is never intended for wire - even though it works!
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Post by geebo on Jul 19, 2014 21:05:55 GMT -5
Sorry, but I've already sold the XSP so I won't be able to make that comparison. And along with everything else you'll need to fix your signature ... Oh yeah, thanks.
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Post by stiehl11 on Jul 19, 2014 21:27:58 GMT -5
And along with everything else you'll need to fix your signature ... Oh yeah, thanks. Hey, wait!?! How'd that get down there?
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Post by bootman on Jul 19, 2014 21:36:58 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that REW is a must do with the subwoofer channels, I'm not however a proponent of using it for the mains/center/surrounds. To me it constricts what the overall tonal qualities of what your particular speakers are supposed to sound like. I've tried my home theater with just the subs P-EQ'ed and also with all 7.2 channels P-EQ'ed, and I prefer just the subwoofers P-EQ'ed as there is a huge difference in cleaning up the muddiness in the low frequency range from around 15Hz to 100Hz or so. I'm hoping DIRAC can improve my thoughts on this. There are speaker designers that also agree with you. BTW have you seen this excellent discussion on room EQ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 2:40:59 GMT -5
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Post by geebo on Jul 20, 2014 10:25:06 GMT -5
Now, I'm not going to say something like "My wife was outside watering the garden in a thunderstorm and came running in to say how much better things sounded", but I will say that this morning while listening to Joe Bonamassa at the Vienna Opera House, as we've done many times, she stopped and looked up from her iPad and remarked how nice it was sounding and just sat back and listened for a few minutes before getting back to the iPad. And trust me, to interrupt her from her iPad, it had to be something.
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Post by wizardofoz on Jul 20, 2014 10:35:51 GMT -5
Got everything hooked up and tested. All speakers present and accounted for. That is, after I realized I had the bal / unbal switch to the wrong position for the left surround speaker. Music plays fine but now I have to get out and mow the stupid lawn. Then I'm going to set levels and all the other stuff. The sub levels are somewhat overbearing but I'll get that squared away later. The UMC-1 remote codes seem to work fine. I've been able to use the Harmony without any changes or command learning thus far. Initial impression is, well, most definitely worth the wait. I can'r wait to get back to it. I can't believe what I just read .. is this the UMC-1 / USP-1 remote code repeats all over again with UMC-1 and XMC-1??? Please confirm this isn't so. while I am unlikely to have both in the same room I can't believe we could be going down this road AGAIN
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Post by geebo on Jul 20, 2014 10:42:51 GMT -5
Got everything hooked up and tested. All speakers present and accounted for. That is, after I realized I had the bal / unbal switch to the wrong position for the left surround speaker. Music plays fine but now I have to get out and mow the stupid lawn. Then I'm going to set levels and all the other stuff. The sub levels are somewhat overbearing but I'll get that squared away later. The UMC-1 remote codes seem to work fine. I've been able to use the Harmony without any changes or command learning thus far. Initial impression is, well, most definitely worth the wait. I can'r wait to get back to it. I can't believe what I just read .. is this the UMC-1 / USP-1 remote code repeats all over again with UMC-1 and XMC-1??? Please confirm this isn't so. while I am unlikely to have both in the same room I can't believe we could be going down this road AGAIN My Harmony remote was setup with the UMC as a device. It does work with the XMC. All my activities worked without changing anything with the exception of having to change a couple of input assignments. But the UMC and USP were different types of components and would very often be found connected together in a system. The UMC and XMC are both pre/pros and very unlikely to be found in the same room let alone the same system.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2014 10:44:56 GMT -5
I can't believe what I just read .. is this the UMC-1 / USP-1 remote code repeats all over again with UMC-1 and XMC-1??? Please confirm this isn't so. while I am unlikely to have both in the same room I can't believe we could be going down this road AGAIN My Harmony remote was setup with the UMC as a device. It does work with the XMC. All my activities worked without changing anything with the exception of having to change a couple of input assignments. This was also reported in the 'ask the beta testers' thread.
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Post by rogersch on Jul 20, 2014 11:09:52 GMT -5
I can't believe what I just read .. is this the UMC-1 / USP-1 remote code repeats all over again with UMC-1 and XMC-1??? Please confirm this isn't so. while I am unlikely to have both in the same room I can't believe we could be going down this road AGAIN My Harmony remote was setup with the UMC as a device. It does work with the XMC. All my activities worked without changing anything with the exception of having to change a couple of input assignments. . For me great so I don't need to reprogram my Harmony...
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Post by HDSapper on Jul 20, 2014 11:16:28 GMT -5
I can't believe what I just read .. is this the UMC-1 / USP-1 remote code repeats all over again with UMC-1 and XMC-1??? Please confirm this isn't so. while I am unlikely to have both in the same room I can't believe we could be going down this road AGAIN Unless you have the equipment for your entire house (including two separate theaters) in one closet, controlled by IR blasters, I cannot see any reason this is an issue? Maybe you can explain why you would have both processors together?
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Post by geebo on Jul 20, 2014 11:18:47 GMT -5
My Harmony remote was setup with the UMC as a device. It does work with the XMC. All my activities worked without changing anything with the exception of having to change a couple of input assignments. . For me great so I don't need to reprogram my Harmony... That's what I thought. I just changed the device name to XMC-1. Now when Harmony updates the database with the XMC I'll add it but things are working fine right now.
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Post by wizardofoz on Jul 20, 2014 13:28:21 GMT -5
I have had 2 rooms controlled from one cabinet in one of the rooms. I guess I am going to have to abandon this plan being resumed when the xmc-1 gets here.
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Post by geebo on Jul 20, 2014 13:46:07 GMT -5
I have had 2 rooms controlled from one cabinet in one of the rooms. I guess I am going to have to abandon this plan being resumed when the xmc-1 gets here. It should be possible to turn off the front IR receiver of the XMC in the setup and control it with an RF remote using a hardwire connection to the back IR input.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2014 14:48:33 GMT -5
I have had 2 rooms controlled from one cabinet in one of the rooms. I guess I am going to have to abandon this plan being resumed when the xmc-1 gets here. It should be possible to turn off the front IR receiver of the XMC in the setup and control it with an RF remote using a hardwire connection to the back IR input. Good idea, or maybe use one of the IP control apps (or the included one).
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Post by solidstate on Jul 20, 2014 15:35:47 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that REW is a must do with the subwoofer channels, I'm not however a proponent of using it for the mains/center/surrounds. To me it constricts what the overall tonal qualities of what your particular speakers are supposed to sound like. I've tried my home theater with just the subs P-EQ'ed and also with all 7.2 channels P-EQ'ed, and I prefer just the subwoofers P-EQ'ed as there is a huge difference in cleaning up the muddiness in the low frequency range from around 15Hz to 100Hz or so. I'm hoping DIRAC can improve my thoughts on this. There are speaker designers that also agree with you. BTW have you seen this excellent discussion on room EQ? Before I even watch I'm sure he's going to say ROOM ACOUSTIC TREATMENTS vs DSP based solutions.
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