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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 20, 2014 16:26:16 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that REW is a must do with the subwoofer channels, I'm not however a proponent of using it for the mains/center/surrounds. To me it constricts what the overall tonal qualities of what your particular speakers are supposed to sound like. I've tried my home theater with just the subs P-EQ'ed and also with all 7.2 channels P-EQ'ed, and I prefer just the subwoofers P-EQ'ed as there is a huge difference in cleaning up the muddiness in the low frequency range from around 15Hz to 100Hz or so. I'm hoping DIRAC can improve my thoughts on this. I suppose if you have a sh** room (that's an acoustic term) then equalisation might have to pull so much out to fix it that it could sound a bit dull. But that's not an equalisation issue, it's a sh** room (acoustically) and that's what should really be addressed. My rooms have always needed minimal correction and that's without much dedicated treatment, it's just the way the rooms are furnished ie; not Vogue Living minimalist, hard floors, bare walls, uncovered windows, high gloss furniture etc. There's a tip for one of Andrew's videos, "How to anti Vogue your room" Cheers Gary
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Post by bootman on Jul 20, 2014 16:45:24 GMT -5
Before I even watch I'm sure he's going to say ROOM ACOUSTIC TREATMENTS vs DSP based solutions. As it should be. treat the room first then EQ. EQ isn't going to solve every room issue. Look at the video and you will know what I mean.
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Post by hemster on Jul 20, 2014 17:23:22 GMT -5
I have had 2 rooms controlled from one cabinet in one of the rooms. I guess I am going to have to abandon this plan being resumed when the xmc-1 gets here. It should be possible to turn off the front IR receiver of the XMC in the setup and control it with an RF remote using a hardwire connection to the back IR input. ^That's exactly what I do. I turn off the RF blaster in the URC's RF->IR box and just use hardwired IR outputs from that box. So there'll be no IR hitting the XMC-1 directly in my case. Although the XMC-1 is installed I have yet to reprogram the URC remote - I only have Windows Vista driver for it and my Vista laptop is with my daughter who's attending at a college course. Next weekend it'll be available. Until then I'm just using the XMC-1's remote by pointing it over my shoulders!
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Post by matty1137 on Jul 20, 2014 17:33:55 GMT -5
Hemster, did you ever check to see if the onscreen popup display fits within a 2.35 image frame, or bleeds over into the black bars?
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Post by hemster on Jul 20, 2014 17:56:54 GMT -5
Hemster, did you ever check to see if the onscreen popup display fits within a 2.35 image frame, or bleeds over into the black bars? Sorry, I meant to post earlier... the display does fit into the image frame but I'm not using the zoom method.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 20, 2014 18:10:12 GMT -5
Hemster, did you ever check to see if the onscreen popup display fits within a 2.35 image frame, or bleeds over into the black bars? I'm not sure what kind of a display you have, but on my Panasonic 60in plasma when I'm using the display format "Zoom" on a 2.35:1 aspect ratio, it does what you describe as "bleeding over into the black bars". Not sure if this answers your question though. However I don't ever use the "Zoom" format as you lose picture, so mine always stays on "FULL".
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Post by matty1137 on Jul 20, 2014 18:10:24 GMT -5
Okay, thanks!
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Jul 20, 2014 18:26:02 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that REW is a must do with the subwoofer channels, I'm not however a proponent of using it for the mains/center/surrounds. To me it constricts what the overall tonal qualities of what your particular speakers are supposed to sound like. I've tried my home theater with just the subs P-EQ'ed and also with all 7.2 channels P-EQ'ed, and I prefer just the subwoofers P-EQ'ed as there is a huge difference in cleaning up the muddiness in the low frequency range from around 15Hz to 100Hz or so. I'm hoping DIRAC can improve my thoughts on this. There are speaker designers that also agree with you. BTW have you seen this excellent discussion on room EQ? I found this video well worth the hour listening time. Lots of food for thought. Can't wait to get my XMC-1 so I can do some comparison between Dirac and just using the PEQ to do the low end. I also like the parts about over deadening the room(not all reflections are bad) and concerns with multiple subs.
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Post by geebo on Jul 20, 2014 18:27:31 GMT -5
Hemster, did you ever check to see if the onscreen popup display fits within a 2.35 image frame, or bleeds over into the black bars? I'm not sure what kind of a display you have, but on my Panasonic 60in plasma when I'm using the display format "Zoom" on a 2.35:1 aspect ratio, it does what you describe as "bleeding over into the black bars". Not sure if this answers your question though. I also just checked a 2:35 movie on my 16x9 TV. The bottom line of the OSD overlaps the black bar at the bottom. And depending what setting screen you are in there may or may not be anything on that bottom line.
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Post by petew on Jul 20, 2014 18:48:13 GMT -5
The OSD should be moved in a future update to not fall on the "black bars". This is a big deal for us "zoomers"
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Post by tknice on Jul 20, 2014 19:25:37 GMT -5
Agreed, the menu should not exceed the top and bottom bars.
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Post by smfins on Jul 20, 2014 19:47:26 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that REW is a must do with the subwoofer channels, I'm not however a proponent of using it for the mains/center/surrounds. To me it constricts what the overall tonal qualities of what your particular speakers are supposed to sound like. I've tried my home theater with just the subs P-EQ'ed and also with all 7.2 channels P-EQ'ed, and I prefer just the subwoofers P-EQ'ed as there is a huge difference in cleaning up the muddiness in the low frequency range from around 15Hz to 100Hz or so. I'm hoping DIRAC can improve my thoughts on this. Have you tried any pieces with the Audyssey XT 32? In my opinion,There is a huge difference in sound quality on both Movies and Music. I am really hoping when I replace my Denon AVRX4000 with the XMC that Dirac is atleast as good.
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Post by geebo on Jul 20, 2014 20:01:08 GMT -5
The OSD should be moved in a future update to not fall on the "black bars". This is a big deal for us "zoomers" I went back and checked zooming with a 2:35 movie. When zooming from the TV, the OSD will change size and position. But when using the zoom of the Oppo 103, the OSD remained in the same screen position and did not change in size. So zooming from the player does not affect the OSD.
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Post by meldhache on Jul 20, 2014 20:09:30 GMT -5
Stop it i wanted to keep the Umc-200 for a while geebo you're evil Lol congrats on your stuff..
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 20, 2014 20:12:34 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that REW is a must do with the subwoofer channels, I'm not however a proponent of using it for the mains/center/surrounds. To me it constricts what the overall tonal qualities of what your particular speakers are supposed to sound like. I've tried my home theater with just the subs P-EQ'ed and also with all 7.2 channels P-EQ'ed, and I prefer just the subwoofers P-EQ'ed as there is a huge difference in cleaning up the muddiness in the low frequency range from around 15Hz to 100Hz or so. I'm hoping DIRAC can improve my thoughts on this. Have you tried any pieces with the Audyssey XT 32? In my opinion,There is a huge difference in sound quality on both Movies and Music. I am really hoping when I replace my Denon AVRX4000 with the XMC that Dirac is atleast as good. Yes, I demoed an Integra DHC-80.2, about 2 years ago, in my home theater for two weeks from an authorized dealer 2 hours away from me that was nice enough to allow me to put it through it's paces. I was not impressed enough with XT32 nor the sound quality of that unit in my room to call it a keeper, so back it went.
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Post by Jim on Jul 20, 2014 20:47:52 GMT -5
The OSD should be moved in a future update to not fall on the "black bars". This is a big deal for us "zoomers" I'd like to be able to pick the location. Flexibility is always nice!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 21:37:48 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that REW is a must do with the subwoofer channels, I'm not however a proponent of using it for the mains/center/surrounds. To me it constricts what the overall tonal qualities of what your particular speakers are supposed to sound like. I've tried my home theater with just the subs P-EQ'ed and also with all 7.2 channels P-EQ'ed, and I prefer just the subwoofers P-EQ'ed as there is a huge difference in cleaning up the muddiness in the low frequency range from around 15Hz to 100Hz or so. I'm hoping DIRAC can improve my thoughts on this. Have you tried any pieces with the Audyssey XT 32? In my opinion,There is a huge difference in sound quality on both Movies and Music. I am really hoping when I replace my Denon AVRX4000 with the XMC that Dirac is atleast as good. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. I would be replacing the x4000 as well. Thanks
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Post by smfins on Jul 20, 2014 21:43:02 GMT -5
Have you tried any pieces with the Audyssey XT 32? In my opinion,There is a huge difference in sound quality on both Movies and Music. I am really hoping when I replace my Denon AVRX4000 with the XMC that Dirac is atleast as good. Yes, I demoed an Integra DHC-80.2, about 2 years ago, in my home theater for two weeks from an authorized dealer 2 hours away from me that was nice enough to allow me to put it through it's paces. I was not impressed enough with XT32 nor the sound quality of that unit in my room to call it a keeper, so back it went. Yes, I was never a fan of any room correction before the XT32 came out. Now if I turn it off it just doesn't cut the mustard for me. I'm looking forward to trying the Dirac.
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Post by smfins on Jul 20, 2014 21:47:48 GMT -5
Have you tried any pieces with the Audyssey XT 32? In my opinion,There is a huge difference in sound quality on both Movies and Music. I am really hoping when I replace my Denon AVRX4000 with the XMC that Dirac is atleast as good. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. I would be replacing the x4000 as well. Thanks I'm a bit worried about getting rid of my AVRX4000. I absoultely love the XT32 and the dual sub EQ that it does. So far nothing has compared to the XT32. I actually had the very expensive Marantz 8801, and although I loved it, I just couldnt hear enough difference in it and the Denon to justify the cost difference. I did get the Marantz at dealer cost, but I bought the Denon nearly new at $500 so I sold the Marantz.
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Post by sahmen on Jul 20, 2014 21:52:41 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that REW is a must do with the subwoofer channels, I'm not however a proponent of using it for the mains/center/surrounds. To me it constricts what the overall tonal qualities of what your particular speakers are supposed to sound like. I've tried my home theater with just the subs P-EQ'ed and also with all 7.2 channels P-EQ'ed, and I prefer just the subwoofers P-EQ'ed as there is a huge difference in cleaning up the muddiness in the low frequency range from around 15Hz to 100Hz or so. I'm hoping DIRAC can improve my thoughts on this. There are speaker designers that also agree with you. BTW have you seen this excellent discussion on room EQ? In other words keep things simple on the PEQ front, and "EQ the bass drum out of my b**t"... hmm I definitely dig that! Seriously though, this is very enlightening. I am both pleased and relieved to learn about one thing to avoid: overkill EQing, or "overREWing" . Not that obsessing about REW measurements, and torturing myself about how to apply them correctly were ever my cup of tea, to begin with.
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