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Post by petew on Jul 20, 2014 22:38:02 GMT -5
The OSD should be moved in a future update to not fall on the "black bars". This is a big deal for us "zoomers" I went back and checked zooming with a 2:35 movie. When zooming from the TV, the OSD will change size and position. But when using the zoom of the Oppo 103, the OSD remained in the same screen position and did not change in size. So zooming from the player does not affect the OSD. You won't have to mess with any display or player zoom to tell us if the XMC will work for zoomers. Put in any scope movie with 2.40 aspect ratio. Display as normal on your 16:9 tv. If any of the XMC osd falls in the black bar area, we've got a problem. To work for zoomers, the entire osd must lay inside the active picture area since we zoom the picture larger with the projector lens to push the black bars off the screen.
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Post by smfins on Jul 20, 2014 22:48:44 GMT -5
I went back and checked zooming with a 2:35 movie. When zooming from the TV, the OSD will change size and position. But when using the zoom of the Oppo 103, the OSD remained in the same screen position and did not change in size. So zooming from the player does not affect the OSD. You won't have to mess with any display or player zoom to tell us if the XMC will work for zoomers. Put in any scope movie with 2.40 aspect ratio. Display as normal on your 16:9 tv. If any of the XMC osd falls in the black bar area, we've got a problem. To work for zoomers, the entire osd must lay inside the active picture area since we zoom the picture larger with the projector lens to push the black bars off the screen. Ok, so I have a standard 16:9 projector screen. Are you telling me if I zoom the picture, It will eliminate the black bars? Won't that make the pic shine outside the projector screen on the sides?
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Post by jking on Jul 20, 2014 22:49:12 GMT -5
There are speaker designers that also agree with you. BTW have you seen this excellent discussion on room EQ? In other words keep things simple on the PEQ front, and "EQ the bass drum out of my b**t"... hmm I definitely dig that! Seriously though, this is very enlightening. I am both pleased and relieved to learn about one thing to avoid: overkill EQing, or "overREWing" . Not that obsessing about REW measurements, and torturing myself about how to apply them correctly were ever my cup of tea, to begin with. He is correct about the over use of EQ, Back when I was still doing live sound on the road we would do up to 5 Venues a week Thursday through Sunday. After tying our house gear into the Venues FOH gear the first thing we would do is hit the by pass on the Venus's EQ then do our own thing. More times then not everyone wanted to know why our set up sounded better then theirs. And mostly it was due to the over use of the house's EQ,s. When HT started up with this all fits one size bit, people liked or think they like it and have never learned how to do it for themselves. Maybe that is a good thing because over use or wrongly using EQ can lead to expensive speaker repairs. The EMC Manual states in many places about not boosting adjacent PEQs to much because spreaker damage can quickly happen. I would go one step more and say do not boost at all. While the PEQs will let you boost and cut we only used PEQs for very narrow problem area's. Our Main Stereo EQs were cut only , they had no boost on them. We would start with an RTA ( something like an Audio Control RTA) look at the curve and start cutting the high areas down to meet the rest of the curve. Never use any type of EQ as an pre-amp to boost the sound. But people do it every day, I hear them say it is louder and sounds better this way. But in the end it causes other problems. Very picky problem, people may not agree with me and others that work this way. Biggest thing everyone can do is learn to use your ears, It take's time to train yourself to really hear what all is going on in a recording . And just because now your room is flat , most often is does not sound good. Flat is a starting point, getting you into the ballpark to fine tune your room. This is the reason company's are now coming out with their own HT EQ curves (Anthem, Dirac to name a few) But in the end IMHO you will enjoy it much more.
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Post by jking on Jul 20, 2014 22:57:32 GMT -5
Moderator the above this went to the wrong forum and I do nto see away to remove it.
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Post by stiehl11 on Jul 20, 2014 23:03:51 GMT -5
Moderator the above this went to the wrong forum and I do nto see away to remove it. Go to the gear/wheel at the top right of the post you want to remove, click the carrot (the upside down triangle), and click delete.
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Post by sahmen on Jul 20, 2014 23:12:55 GMT -5
Moderator the above this went to the wrong forum and I do nto see away to remove it. Yes, it seems to be turning into a kind of digressive tangent, but it is a useful contribution, at least, to me. I do not think it is going to be too distracting, if we do not dwell on the tangent too much. You can delete it, if it bothers you, but if you leave it as is, I suspect the OP and moderators will let it slide. BTW, good post.
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Post by petew on Jul 21, 2014 3:38:18 GMT -5
You won't have to mess with any display or player zoom to tell us if the XMC will work for zoomers. Put in any scope movie with 2.40 aspect ratio. Display as normal on your 16:9 tv. If any of the XMC osd falls in the black bar area, we've got a problem. To work for zoomers, the entire osd must lay inside the active picture area since we zoom the picture larger with the projector lens to push the black bars off the screen. Ok, so I have a standard 16:9 projector screen. Are you telling me if I zoom the picture, It will eliminate the black bars? Won't that make the pic shine outside the projector screen on the sides? You need a 2.35 screen. Movable side masking is good for 16:9 content. You also should gave motorized lens zoom and shift.. Your projector also needs enough zoom range to make it work. Search "zoom method" over at avsforum.com for more info. Sorry for the derail.
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Post by geebo on Jul 21, 2014 6:54:46 GMT -5
I went back and checked zooming with a 2:35 movie. When zooming from the TV, the OSD will change size and position. But when using the zoom of the Oppo 103, the OSD remained in the same screen position and did not change in size. So zooming from the player does not affect the OSD. You won't have to mess with any display or player zoom to tell us if the XMC will work for zoomers. Put in any scope movie with 2.40 aspect ratio. Display as normal on your 16:9 tv. If any of the XMC osd falls in the black bar area, we've got a problem. To work for zoomers, the entire osd must lay inside the active picture area since we zoom the picture larger with the projector lens to push the black bars off the screen. Sorry, I thought zooming was using the zoom function of the TV or of the source player player. Learn something new everyday.
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Post by jclangston on Jul 21, 2014 9:41:39 GMT -5
Geebo, have you noticed any audio dropout while watching Satellite or Cable tv? The umc-200 tends to have an audio drop out for a few seconds when audio formats switch between programs. Have you experienced this with the xmc-1?
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Post by geebo on Jul 21, 2014 9:50:29 GMT -5
Geebo, have you noticed any audio dropout while watching Satellite or Cable tv? The umc-200 tends to have an audio drop out for a few seconds when audio formats switch between programs. Have you experienced this with the xmc-1? Well, I've not watched very much cable TV thru the XMC although I have it connected so that we can and I did test the connection. We usually just watch TV with a direct connection from the STB to the TV. But I will try that tonight to see if what you describe happens.
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Post by jking on Jul 21, 2014 16:08:35 GMT -5
OK thanks as long as it does some good. Seems like a good many posts end up hijacked by people pushing their own causes, I try to stay out of that stuff. This is really a great piece of equipment. Very clean without hundreds of in and outs that most people will never use and just add to noise problems. It is impossible to built something like this that would do everything. The KISS principle used here makes for better sound and control over that sound although it will take time to learn all the ends and outs of how everything works. I am looking forward to seeing some creative idea's coming out of this.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 21, 2014 19:26:30 GMT -5
Geebo, have you noticed any audio dropout while watching Satellite or Cable tv? The umc-200 tends to have an audio drop out for a few seconds when audio formats switch between programs. Have you experienced this with the xmc-1? I get no such audio dropouts, very seemless transition between 2.0 and 5.1 as well as 5.1 to 2.0, and this is from someone coming from the UMC-200.
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Post by geebo on Jul 21, 2014 19:48:14 GMT -5
My XMC-1 was one year old this weekend. Doesn't seem that long...
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