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Post by drtrey3 on Feb 15, 2016 16:49:10 GMT -5
I point my Emotiva speakers in a little bit, say about a foot outside my shoulders. That increases the image specificity at the cost of some depth, and I appreciate the former over the latter.
Trey
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Post by JKCashin on Feb 15, 2016 16:54:58 GMT -5
Very slight toe in with Polk RTi A9's. Went from direct toe, to toed about 2feet behind my head, to about 4 feet behind my head... better each time. Now you got me thinking of even less. The manual for the RI A9s say to point them straight at your head. So, when you say slight, I'm still sitting at maybe 25˚ where 0˚ would be parallel with the L/R wall... how slight are you? Jamie
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Post by JKCashin on Feb 15, 2016 16:56:28 GMT -5
I point my Emotiva speakers in a little bit, say about a foot outside my shoulders. That increases the image specificity at the cost of some depth, and I appreciate the former over the latter. Trey The Emos have a naturally wide soundstage anyway, no? Due to the awesome tweeters they use? That's why I was so interested in 509Pauls post, as he has the same speakers as me. Jamie
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Post by sheetmetalworker on Feb 15, 2016 16:59:22 GMT -5
My speakers are toed in so as from my seating position I cannot see the inside of either speaker. ( just at the point of not being able to see)
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Post by JKCashin on Feb 15, 2016 17:15:09 GMT -5
Sheetmetalworker, that's where I started... and slowly I have been toeing out more and more, and liking what I am hearing. The consensus seems to be there's no consensus.... lol, mostly a personal thing it seems.
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 15, 2016 17:32:06 GMT -5
Do you toe? Be a ho! Eddie Murphy
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 15, 2016 17:40:13 GMT -5
Do you toe? Be a ho! Eddie Murphy Don't be callin' my woman Kate a ho bro, or you and I will be coming to blows Joe!!!!
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Post by 509Paul on Feb 15, 2016 17:42:07 GMT -5
Very slight toe in with Polk RTi A9's. Went from direct toe, to toed about 2feet behind my head, to about 4 feet behind my head... better each time. Now you got me thinking of even less. The manual for the RI A9s say to point them straight at your head. So, when you say slight, I'm still sitting at maybe 25˚ where 0˚ would be parallel with the L/R wall... how slight are you? Jamie My speakers are around 5 degrees toed in just to sharpen the center image slightly. Any more and the vocals start to sound off and the center image hits a point were it seems like it is almost out of phase. My speakers are 103" apart and I sit about 103" back from the center line between the speakers.
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Post by guitarforlife on Feb 15, 2016 17:58:21 GMT -5
Very slight with my Maggies.I would guess MAYBE 5Deg.
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Post by hemster on Feb 15, 2016 23:41:24 GMT -5
After much experimentation I have found that a 20 degree toe-in from the vertical yields the best balance of sound envelope and depth.
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Post by novisnick on Feb 15, 2016 23:47:14 GMT -5
After much experimentation I have found that a 20 degree toe-in from the vertical yields the best balance of sound envelope and depth. Maybe a little less for me, how far are you from your speakers?
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Post by Metaldude on Feb 16, 2016 0:02:58 GMT -5
Oh, ok I must have misread
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Post by copperpipe on Feb 16, 2016 9:16:11 GMT -5
I think it totally depends on your speakers. Cheapish studio monitors (but even some expensive ones) have a very narrow sweet spot, you need to form an equilateral triangle between your head and the two speakers; equal distance and angle between all three points. Tower "loudspeakers" with a wider horizontal dispersion probably benefit from far less toe in. With my Kef's since I'm using them as monitors on my (largish) desk, I toe them in so that they align 1 to 2 feet behind my head depending on where my chair happens to be at that point in time. I also have them tilting back about 15 to 20 degrees on foam isolation pads and that made a ton of difference. I have massive room issues but I can't be bothered to fix any of them since this room is not permanent.
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Post by hemster on Feb 16, 2016 10:55:10 GMT -5
After much experimentation I have found that a 20 degree toe-in from the vertical yields the best balance of sound envelope and depth. Maybe a little less for me, how far are you from your speakers? First row is 11 feet and 2 nd row is 17 feet. However it also depends on the width of the room (15 feet for me) and where the sweet-spot is (centered in my case).
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Post by ÈlTwo on Feb 16, 2016 15:42:10 GMT -5
I toe in slightly, maybe 5 to 10 degrees, but my wife keeps straightening them.
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Post by jmilton on Feb 16, 2016 16:25:04 GMT -5
I toe in slightly, maybe 5 to 10 degrees, but my wife keeps straightening them. Interesting. My wife keeps trying to straighten ME out.
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Post by novisnick on Feb 16, 2016 16:37:48 GMT -5
I toe in slightly, maybe 5 to 10 degrees, but my wife keeps straightening them. Interesting. My wife keeps trying to straighten ME out. A truely thankless job!!!
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Post by albertiwell on Feb 16, 2016 16:56:48 GMT -5
This depends on both radiation pattern of the spears, and the room. The best "image", localization of instruments in the scene come from equal spl levels, and same frequency response on your main listening position. When speakers are well designed and have good off axis, the frequency response you perceive is more stable, that means the sweet point is not narrow, but wide. You can take a look at the studio monitors, like JBL LSR 305, 308, or even M2. They were designed flat, and coherent. You can move on the mix table and the sweet point is still there. Even with well designed speakers, once you listen the music in "your" room, this pattern may change. Maybe the left has "x" frequency response variations, while right one has "y" variations. This can cause not clean sound, and then, you can try to find it by toeing on, first one, and later the other speaker, and maybe you can mend it a little. What do I recommend? EQ your system, to help your speakers work their best. After EQ, start to test toeing.
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Post by 509Paul on Feb 16, 2016 22:09:07 GMT -5
Sheetmetalworker, that's where I started... and slowly I have been toeing out more and more, and liking what I am hearing. The consensus seems to be there's no consensus.... lol, mostly a personal thing it seems. It would probably be easier to start with the speakers straight and slowly toe them in while listening to the center image on the vocals and spend a couple days doing your adjustments. Toe them back out a little after listening for a half hour or so before toeing in further to see if you have over compressed the soundstage without realizing it. You really can't get perfection in one shot so step away for a while and take you time for the best results.
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