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Post by cwmcobra on Jan 22, 2019 8:22:42 GMT -5
Nick,
I'm designing my theater now as well. Considering both 7.2.4 and 9.2.6. And, well, I've also looked at 11.2.8, but have concluded that would be overkill for me and my room. Hope to be pulling cables soon. I'm following along with interest!
I also posted in Adaboy's thread about latest thinking on what cables to run in a current theater build. I've got a lot of research to do.....
Chuck
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Post by musicfan on Jan 22, 2019 9:31:19 GMT -5
Atmos set up I’ll be implementing. Still a week from now, I’m setting realistic goals for installation. I may add two wide speakers as well, but I’ll start with this for now. 😁 7.2.4 Speaker Configuration just some help. based on an 8' ceiling...and 36" ear height...the ceiling speakers should be about 5' in front and 5' behind the MLP. there is some tolerance there afforded by dolby...but thats the general area...also the surrounds should be AT ear level...to get as much separation as possible from the ceiling speakers hope that helps
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Post by novisnick on Jan 22, 2019 10:09:21 GMT -5
Atmos set up I’ll be implementing. Still a week from now, I’m setting realistic goals for installation. I may add two wide speakers as well, but I’ll start with this for now. 😁 7.2.4 Speaker Configuration just some help. based on an 8' ceiling...and 36" ear height...the ceiling speakers should be about 5' in front and 5' behind the MLP. there is some tolerance there afforded by dolby...but thats the general area...also the surrounds should be AT ear level...to get as much separation as possible from the ceiling speakers hope that helps Thanks so much, does this also apply to speakers you aim at the seated position?
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Post by musicfan on Jan 22, 2019 10:13:05 GMT -5
just some help. based on an 8' ceiling...and 36" ear height...the ceiling speakers should be about 5' in front and 5' behind the MLP. there is some tolerance there afforded by dolby...but thats the general area...also the surrounds should be AT ear level...to get as much separation as possible from the ceiling speakers hope that helps Thanks so much, does this also apply to speakers you aim at the seated position? yup! although dolby reccommends the speakers NOT be aimed....my ceiling speakers are angled boxes (volt 6's) and i chose them on purpose. I think the angle help with the ceiling speakers and lower ceiling heights
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Post by novisnick on Jan 22, 2019 10:16:30 GMT -5
Nick, I'm designing my theater now as well. Considering both 7.2.4 and 9.2.6. And, well, I've also looked at 11.2.8, but have concluded that would be overkill for me and my room. Hope to be pulling cables soon. I'm following along with interest! I also posted in Adaboy's thread about latest thinking on what cables to run in a current theater build. I've got a lot of research to do..... Chuck For my ceiling speakers I’ve purchased Amazon Basic 12 gauge wire, hope to run it soon. Must do before putting my rack back together. My room is 12’ 6” X 16’ X 8’ , so I’m going with the 7/9.2.4 set up.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 22, 2019 10:27:07 GMT -5
My ceiling speakers have a one direction pivoting tweater assembly. When I finally get them installed next month, I'm going to put them in so the tweeter can potentially be aimed towards the center of the room. This way I can try both methods and see which works best, straight down, or aimed.
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Post by novisnick on Jan 22, 2019 11:01:01 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 22, 2019 11:03:18 GMT -5
Atmos set up I’ll be implementing. Still a week from now, I’m setting realistic goals for installation. I may add two wide speakers as well, but I’ll start with this for now. 😁 7.2.4 Speaker Configuration just some help. based on an 8' ceiling...and 36" ear height...the ceiling speakers should be about 5' in front and 5' behind the MLP. there is some tolerance there afforded by dolby...but thats the general area...also the surrounds should be AT ear level...to get as much separation as possible from the ceiling speakers hope that helps Atmos set up I’ll be implementing. Still a week from now, I’m setting realistic goals for installation. I may add two wide speakers as well, but I’ll start with this for now. 😁 7.2.4 Speaker Configuration just some help. based on an 8' ceiling...and 36" ear height...the ceiling speakers should be about 5' in front and 5' behind the MLP. there is some tolerance there afforded by dolby...but thats the general area...also the surrounds should be AT ear level...to get as much separation as possible from the ceiling speakers hope that helps I think a lot of what they recommend makes for very common sense, and is relatively easy to figure out, if your room accommodates. That's my issue a bit. I will never get the great separation you discuss because my room doesn't allow for ear height surround speakers. I could do it with in wall speakers, except for the left listening position, which is right up against the wall. A wall speaker at ear level would simply overpower sound at that location. Even at about 3 feet away, I think I'd have the same problem on the right. But it would also mean a whole lot more money and getting rid of speakers and patching holes that I'm just not willing to do. Too much work, and I I just don't have. Being that my room is an all purpose room, where we watch mostly TV, I think it will all be fine. TV is still mostly dolby digital, so high placment surrounds with my bipolar speakers will still work great. When we do watch movies that have Atmos or DTS:X, we won't get the ultimate experience, but I think it will still be quite good. Good enough for us anyway. Many people with all purpose rooms have to compromise. Just the way it is. I'm good with it.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 22, 2019 11:07:09 GMT -5
Those look nice. Actually, it appears the entire speaker "must" be aimed, no? It appears to have a permanent angle to it, no?
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 22, 2019 11:11:47 GMT -5
This diagram is for the 6.5 version. Mine are the 8 inch ones, but they basically work the same.
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Post by musicfan on Jan 22, 2019 11:49:22 GMT -5
just some help. based on an 8' ceiling...and 36" ear height...the ceiling speakers should be about 5' in front and 5' behind the MLP. there is some tolerance there afforded by dolby...but thats the general area...also the surrounds should be AT ear level...to get as much separation as possible from the ceiling speakers hope that helps just some help. based on an 8' ceiling...and 36" ear height...the ceiling speakers should be about 5' in front and 5' behind the MLP. there is some tolerance there afforded by dolby...but thats the general area...also the surrounds should be AT ear level...to get as much separation as possible from the ceiling speakers hope that helps I think a lot of what they recommend makes for very common sense, and is relatively easy to figure out, if your room accommodates. That's my issue a bit. I will never get the great separation you discuss because my room doesn't allow for ear height surround speakers. I could do it with in wall speakers, except for the left listening position, which is right up against the wall. A wall speaker at ear level would simply overpower sound at that location. Even at about 3 feet away, I think I'd have the same problem on the right. But it would also mean a whole lot more money and getting rid of speakers and patching holes that I'm just not willing to do. Too much work, and I I just don't have. Being that my room is an all purpose room, where we watch mostly TV, I think it will all be fine. TV is still mostly dolby digital, so high placment surrounds with my bipolar speakers will still work great. When we do watch movies that have Atmos or DTS:X, we won't get the ultimate experience, but I think it will still be quite good. Good enough for us anyway. Many people with all purpose rooms have to compromise. Just the way it is. I'm good with it. yes but remmeber even if they are right next to your ear...properly calibrated they wont be overpowering...just use less juice. but 10000% these are ONLY recomendations....to get someone started...like you dont want the surrounds near the ceiling (as they used to be) and have ceiling atmos speakers you will have ZERO separtation... as far as aiming speakers...unless the speaker has a HUGE dispersion pattern (>100 deg) I highly recommend aiming the speakers. trying it both ways is obviously your best bet to know which you prefer.....preference trumps all....for exapmple I have wide dispersion speakers AND i aim them....plus i add 3db to each overhead vs the rest of the speqakers....and I LOVE LOVE LOVE it ymmv
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Post by novisnick on Jan 22, 2019 13:16:00 GMT -5
Those look nice. Actually, it appears the entire speaker "must" be aimed, no? It appears to have a permanent angle to it, no? Yes, the speakers are one unit that rotates inside the housing as far as I know. I’ll have more information when I open the box. Right now that’s down the to-do list
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Post by novisnick on Jan 22, 2019 13:30:48 GMT -5
I think a lot of what they recommend makes for very common sense, and is relatively easy to figure out, if your room accommodates. That's my issue a bit. I will never get the great separation you discuss because my room doesn't allow for ear height surround speakers. I could do it with in wall speakers, except for the left listening position, which is right up against the wall. A wall speaker at ear level would simply overpower sound at that location. Even at about 3 feet away, I think I'd have the same problem on the right. But it would also mean a whole lot more money and getting rid of speakers and patching holes that I'm just not willing to do. Too much work, and I I just don't have. Being that my room is an all purpose room, where we watch mostly TV, I think it will all be fine. TV is still mostly dolby digital, so high placment surrounds with my bipolar speakers will still work great. When we do watch movies that have Atmos or DTS:X, we won't get the ultimate experience, but I think it will still be quite good. Good enough for us anyway. Many people with all purpose rooms have to compromise. Just the way it is. I'm good with it. yes but remmeber even if they are right next to your ear...properly calibrated they wont be overpowering...just use less juice. but 10000% these are ONLY recomendations....to get someone started...like you dont want the surrounds near the ceiling (as they used to be) and have ceiling atmos speakers you will have ZERO separtation... as far as aiming speakers...unless the speaker has a HUGE dispersion pattern (>100 deg) I highly recommend aiming the speakers. trying it both ways is obviously your best bet to know which you prefer.....preference trumps all....for exapmple I have wide dispersion speakers AND i aim them....plus i add 3db to each overhead vs the rest of the speqakers....and I LOVE LOVE LOVE it ymmv I do have my rears and surrounds at 36” , my rears are 3’ from my ears but that’s what the settings and processor is for. Setting the correct amount of data to each speaker. Ceiling speakers will be on the main speaker line but I may pull them away from the wall just a bit. Then again I may not have to since I can aim the speakers.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 22, 2019 13:52:11 GMT -5
yes but remmeber even if they are right next to your ear...properly calibrated they wont be overpowering...just use less juice. The upside is just what you say. Totally understandable. The downside is that while this accommodates the person sitting in the corner of my couch, it will lessen the left channel experience for the person sitting near the lamp, or the chair on the other side of the lamp. That's a big downside to having to put the couch on the wall. If memory serves, I think Dolby even recommends 5 feet away from the speaker if you can do it, which is physically impossible in my room. Again, totally makes sense and understood. But for the reasons I mentioned before, that just doesn't work in my room, my budget, and my time. So what I have is going to have to work as well as it can. If I were building a dedicated theater room from scratch, I'd be all over doing it for the ultimate in Atmos / DTS:X. Heck, I might even put in 2 surround speaker systems, one for doing Atmos / DTS:X, and one for doing Dolby Digital with high wall bipole (or dipole) surrounds, and switch back and forth depending on what I was watching. But, that's not happening for me. Here's my room by the way so you can see the layout better. MEDIA ROOM 4 Print.pdf (32.54 KB) And while doing that, just Looks at all the horrible sound quality detrimental crap in there! A big coffee table, a lamp, a big ceiling fan, a bar that's about 42" tall, and, OMG, a running refrigerator! It is what it is.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 22, 2019 13:59:22 GMT -5
Yes, the speakers are one unit that rotates inside the housing as far as I know. I’ll have more information when I open the box. Right now that’s down the to-do list That's cool if it rotates after you put it in. Then you can mess with it all you want.
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Post by novisnick on Jan 22, 2019 14:27:15 GMT -5
Yes, the speakers are one unit that rotates inside the housing as far as I know. I’ll have more information when I open the box. Right now that’s down the to-do list That's cool if it rotates after you put it in. Then you can mess with it all you want. Just called Joe at RSL 800-905-5485 Yep, you tighten the screw to keep it from rotating. So adjustments can be accomplished after mounting. I like it! 👍🎶😁
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Post by novisnick on Jan 23, 2019 8:05:54 GMT -5
I’m making headway!
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Post by novisnick on Jan 27, 2019 17:39:55 GMT -5
Making good progress with the organization of cables and wires! I still have to determine how I want to set my “Black Boxes” up! 😁 I miss my audio! 😢
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Post by novisnick on Jan 27, 2019 17:41:19 GMT -5
Sometimes things just go bad! I’ve a bit of bad luck since getting a killer deal from BB on an open box Samsung QN65Q6FN 😢 Sometimes a little rain must fall! What an ordeal! Had the Samsung 65” 8550 brought down to the living room for the Mrs viewing pleasure and the Q6 mounted in the cave. Seems the processor may be bad. Don’t know what the remedy may be untill Tuesday when BB manager gets back in. The tech stated that they don’t repair these for a dead processor on delivery. Its also the end of the model year so I hope some good comes from this disappointment, delay, and bad luck!
So, I may be back to the well and in search of another great deal. Too much going on and too many bills to swing without some type of open box or quick return. No rush as this time of year (Super Bowl & new model year) many people purchase and return because of buyers remorse or just too big to fit. They see it almost daily during this period. Minimum requirements are 65” and entry level OLED or QLED.
Hopefully a silver lining can be found again, BUT untill some resolution can be found my system will be down! 😢 I’m jonesing for at least my two channel! Maybe I’ll get my headphone system up and running.
On the bright side almost all the wiring from 20 years of adding and rewiring and knotted cabling is being uncluttered. What a web! LOL
MORE TROUBLES! The A/C unit in the attic may be in the way of running wires through the wall and into the ceiling for my four proposed Atmos speakers! Seems that Im having all the fun! 🤮 Please pray for myself and my project! I need it.
Stay tuned! Nothing I can do for now but finish cleaning the cave and its wiring.
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Post by novisnick on Feb 2, 2019 19:39:18 GMT -5
Bass trap and one sound absorber mounted to the wall. Small steps! 😁
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