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Post by Boomzilla on Oct 18, 2015 11:48:58 GMT -5
Film cameras are to digital ones.
The digital camera now has better resolution than the finest film emulsions without the hazardous chemical development process - without the fade-prone prints - and without the darkroom required.
Yet a die-hard group of curmudgeonly geezers insists on holding onto their old technology - despite the declining availability of film supplies and development/printing services.
Once the geezers die off, their inferior technology will die with them, and the world can move forward. The digital method already produces superior photos at far less cost and with far less fuss. But some will always be attracted to the fuss - just because they can act superior about knowing how.
I say to heck with film cameras - they were tedious, fragile, and technically inferior. Anybody heralding film technology has no credibility. None.
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Post by Porscheguy on Oct 18, 2015 11:54:31 GMT -5
I'm very into photography and currently taking some courses at SOPHA in Manchester. I must know at least 50 photographers and as far as I know, none uses a film camera... Film died a long time ago..
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Post by lionear on Oct 18, 2015 12:37:54 GMT -5
Totally agree.
I'm just waiting for someone to come up with a 4x5 sensor. What about an 8x10 sensor? Now that would be silly.
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Post by geebo on Oct 18, 2015 12:38:46 GMT -5
Ax is to chainsaw. Rickshaw is to Ferrari. Fan is to central air. Tin cans and string are to smart phone. Abacus is to scientific calculator. Sundial is to quartz watch. Log raft is to unlimited hydroplane. Yugo is to Rolls Royce. Timex is to Rolex. Rhinestone is to diamond. Fool's gold is to gold. Bose is to Emotiva.
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Post by novisnick on Oct 18, 2015 12:45:42 GMT -5
Ax is to chainsaw. Rickshaw is to Ferrari. Fan is to central air. Tin cans and string are to smart phone. Abacus is to scientific calculator. Sundial is to quartz watch. Log raft is to unlimited hydroplane Bose is to Emotiva geebo to
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Post by highfihoney on Oct 18, 2015 13:22:46 GMT -5
Vinyl is a way to not have to repurchase your entire collection as formats switch .
Vinyl is a way to listen to albums & singles never recorded on digital format .
Vinyl is a way to listen to superior recordings of albums only released on inferior early cd , tape & vinyl .
Vinyl is a medium that keeps listeners connected to the music they searched endless record stores for & the memories of finding that " just right " album that fit your tastes that day .
Vinyl is also a medium that allows 2 channel listeners to interact on a physical level with their systems , much like all the ht buffs spending time using apps to adjust their rigs sound .
Vinyl is also a medium for listeners who prefer to hold the music in their hand vs stored in a file or memory stick , much like many people prefering real paper books vs digital books .
All this vinyl bashing is stupid & non productive , whatever medium gets a listeners rocks off & allows them pleasure from their rig is the best medium for them , with exception of 8 track no medium is obsolete as long as the recording can be maintained to play properly so i guess that includes RTR tape as dead being good tape is like hens teeth .
,vinyl is also the ONLY WAY to listen to early 3 channel orchestral & symphonic recordings ,On a site where most members use budget gear & subwoofers to achieve full range sound the last thing i expected to see posted was an elitist thread talking about all the geezers dying off so vinyl can be finished , sad !
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Post by mauriceminor on Oct 18, 2015 14:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by mauriceminor on Oct 18, 2015 14:21:33 GMT -5
Vinyl is a way to not have to repurchase your entire collection as formats switch . Vinyl is a way to listen to albums & singles never recorded on digital format . Vinyl is a way to listen to superior recordings of albums only released on inferior early cd , tape & vinyl . Vinyl is a medium that keeps listeners connected to the music they searched endless record stores for & the memories of finding that " just right " album that fit your tastes that day . Vinyl is also a medium that allows 2 channel listeners to interact on a physical level with their systems , much like all the ht buffs spending time using apps to adjust their rigs sound . Vinyl is also a medium for listeners who prefer to hold the music in their hand vs stored in a file or memory stick , much like many people prefering real paper books vs digital books . All this vinyl bashing is stupid & non productive , whatever medium gets a listeners rocks off & allows them pleasure from their rig is the best medium for them , with exception of 8 track no medium is obsolete as long as the recording can be maintained to play properly so i guess that includes RTR tape as dead being good tape is like hens teeth . ,vinyl is also the ONLY WAY to listen to early 3 channel orchestral & symphonic recordings ,On a site where most members use budget gear & subwoofers to achieve full range sound the last thing i expected to see posted was an elitist thread talking about all the geezers dying off so vinyl can be finished , sad ! Plus One
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Post by Boomzilla on Oct 18, 2015 14:41:28 GMT -5
...On a site where most members use budget gear & subwoofers to achieve full range sound the last thing i expected to see posted was an elitist thread talking about all the geezers dying off so vinyl can be finished , sad ! THANK YOU, highfihoney !!! I was bored to tears with the Lounge and thought I'd toss a log on the fire in hopes of some interesting dialogue! You're right, of course, and even though I'm not a vinylista, I can appreciate those who want to go that way. At its best, vinyl can be intoxicating, and it doesn't even require that much of an investment to get there. Out of curiosity, however, may I ask as to how "vinyl is the only way to hear three channel recordings?" You do know that much of the Living Stereo series is being remastered on SACD in its original 3-channel format? Boom
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Post by novisnick on Oct 18, 2015 14:54:52 GMT -5
...On a site where most members use budget gear & subwoofers to achieve full range sound the last thing i expected to see posted was an elitist thread talking about all the geezers dying off so vinyl can be finished , sad ! THANK YOU, highfihoney !!! I was bored to tears with the Lounge and thought I'd toss a log on the fire in hopes of some interesting dialogue! You're right, of course, and even though I'm not a vinylista, I can appreciate those who want to go that way. At its best, vinyl can be intoxicating, and it doesn't even require that much of an investment to get there. Out of curiosity, however, may I ask as to how "vinyl is the only way to hear three channel recordings?" You do know that much of the Living Stereo series is being remastered on SACD in its original 3-channel format? Boom Hey boom, I didn't know about the remastering on SACD! One quick reminder for you though. Think about the look of garbulkys face when we were spining my Rega! As I recall, it looked something like this!!
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Post by cheapthryl on Oct 18, 2015 15:00:30 GMT -5
Vinyl is a way to not have to repurchase your entire collection as formats switch . Vinyl is a way to listen to albums & singles never recorded on digital format . Vinyl is a way to listen to superior recordings of albums only released on inferior early cd , tape & vinyl . Vinyl is a medium that keeps listeners connected to the music they searched endless record stores for & the memories of finding that " just right " album that fit your tastes that day . Vinyl is also a medium that allows 2 channel listeners to interact on a physical level with their systems , much like all the ht buffs spending time using apps to adjust their rigs sound . Vinyl is also a medium for listeners who prefer to hold the music in their hand vs stored in a file or memory stick , much like many people prefering real paper books vs digital books . All this vinyl bashing is stupid & non productive , whatever medium gets a listeners rocks off & allows them pleasure from their rig is the best medium for them , with exception of 8 track no medium is obsolete as long as the recording can be maintained to play properly so i guess that includes RTR tape as dead being good tape is like hens teeth . ,vinyl is also the ONLY WAY to listen to early 3 channel orchestral & symphonic recordings ,On a site where most members use budget gear & subwoofers to achieve full range sound the last thing i expected to see posted was an elitist thread talking about all the geezers dying off so vinyl can be finished , sad ! Well said. This is pretty much the way I see it.
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Post by Boomzilla on Oct 18, 2015 15:08:33 GMT -5
Yes, but our tender friend garbulky is still an audio novice & easy to impress - That's why he likes my system! LOL
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Post by novisnick on Oct 18, 2015 15:08:07 GMT -5
Vinyl is a way to not have to repurchase your entire collection as formats switch . Vinyl is a way to listen to albums & singles never recorded on digital format . Vinyl is a way to listen to superior recordings of albums only released on inferior early cd , tape & vinyl . Vinyl is a medium that keeps listeners connected to the music they searched endless record stores for & the memories of finding that " just right " album that fit your tastes that day . Vinyl is also a medium that allows 2 channel listeners to interact on a physical level with their systems , much like all the ht buffs spending time using apps to adjust their rigs sound . Vinyl is also a medium for listeners who prefer to hold the music in their hand vs stored in a file or memory stick , much like many people prefering real paper books vs digital books . All this vinyl bashing is stupid & non productive , whatever medium gets a listeners rocks off & allows them pleasure from their rig is the best medium for them , with exception of 8 track no medium is obsolete as long as the recording can be maintained to play properly so i guess that includes RTR tape as dead being good tape is like hens teeth . ,vinyl is also the ONLY WAY to listen to early 3 channel orchestral & symphonic recordings ,On a site where most members use budget gear & subwoofers to achieve full range sound the last thing i expected to see posted was an elitist thread talking about all the geezers dying off so vinyl can be finished , sad ! Plus One Plus One More
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Post by monkumonku on Oct 18, 2015 15:14:02 GMT -5
...On a site where most members use budget gear & subwoofers to achieve full range sound the last thing i expected to see posted was an elitist thread talking about all the geezers dying off so vinyl can be finished , sad ! THANK YOU, highfihoney !!! I was bored to tears with the Lounge and thought I'd toss a log on the fire in hopes of some interesting dialogue! You're right, of course, and even though I'm not a vinylista, I can appreciate those who want to go that way. At its best, vinyl can be intoxicating, and it doesn't even require that much of an investment to get there. Out of curiosity, however, may I ask as to how "vinyl is the only way to hear three channel recordings?" You do know that much of the Living Stereo series is being remastered on SACD in its original 3-channel format? Boom As much as I make fun of vinyl, my feeling is if that is what brings enjoyment then who can (or what is the point to) argue with that? Couple of things, though - you said much of the Living Stereo series IS being remastered on SACD; much of it already HAS been remastered. It's been available for a while now. Also, you said vinyl doesn't require much of an investment. I look at the price of turntables and cartridges, as well as the price of new vinyl releases and I have to say it is not a modest investment to make.
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Post by yves on Oct 18, 2015 15:16:29 GMT -5
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Post by garbulky on Oct 18, 2015 15:33:32 GMT -5
Yes, but our tender friend garbulky is still an audio novice & easy to impress - That's why he likes my system! LOL I am an indeed an audio novice. But I am insanely hard to please hehe.
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Post by Boomzilla on Oct 18, 2015 15:47:11 GMT -5
...you said vinyl doesn't require much of an investment. I look at the price of turntables and cartridges, as well as the price of new vinyl releases and I have to say it is not a modest investment to make. Used turntables are available at thrift shops & yard sales. I bought a high quality one recently with not one but TWO Sure V-15 Type 3 cartridges for $10. Phono records are similarly cheap on the used market. It doesn't HAVE to be an expensive addition.
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Post by garbulky on Oct 18, 2015 15:51:20 GMT -5
^^He does have some magic garage sale skillz. I am a witness to this!
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Post by knucklehead on Oct 18, 2015 15:51:38 GMT -5
...On a site where most members use budget gear & subwoofers to achieve full range sound the last thing i expected to see posted was an elitist thread talking about all the geezers dying off so vinyl can be finished , sad ! THANK YOU, highfihoney !!! I was bored to tears with the Lounge and thought I'd toss a log on the fire in hopes of some interesting dialogue! You're right, of course, and even though I'm not a vinylista, I can appreciate those who want to go that way. At its best, vinyl can be intoxicating, and it doesn't even require that much of an investment to get there. Out of curiosity, however, may I ask as to how "vinyl is the only way to hear three channel recordings?" You do know that much of the Living Stereo series is being remastered on SACD in its original 3-channel format? Boom On some forums your post would have been more like a gallon of gas on a fire! As for vinyl/digital being the parallel of film/digital I have to disagree. There is a current resurgence of vinyl - I doubt there will be one in film photography. There was a slight bump in interest in film a few years ago which has quietly died down - probably for good. Film selection is getting thinner by the year.
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Post by villock on Oct 18, 2015 15:59:04 GMT -5
Vinyl has always been and will always be better than digital...there I said it
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