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Post by yves on Oct 19, 2015 16:05:57 GMT -5
But does it really matter that you have said it before when, as a matter of fact, what you have said is hogwash because I am able to tell the difference in a correctly level matched ABX test, and am able to do so very easily and very quickly with most musical content? To which I say, Poppycock!
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Post by jmilton on Oct 19, 2015 16:10:13 GMT -5
You didn't actually think that you'd get away with THAT without some come-back, did you? LOL I'd put a 1970's vintage K-Horn up against any (ANY) B&W ever made. The K-Horn would whip the B&W like the chi-hua-hua dog it is in the following areas: Dynamics (duh) Verisimilitude of treble instruments (particularly cymbals) Efficiency Low distortion (particularly Transient Intermodulation [TIM] distortion) Ultimate loudness capability These aren't opinions (except maybe the second one), but measurable facts. So maybe we should say that dross is to gold as B&W is to Klipsch? I've always thought the Klipshorns to be overly bright and very fatiguing. But that's me. Yes geebo, it is you. You are bright and very fatiguing, but we like you all the same.
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Post by geebo on Oct 19, 2015 16:11:09 GMT -5
I've always thought the Klipshorns to be overly bright and very fatiguing. But that's me. Yes geebo, it is you. You are bright and very fatiguing. Can I take a nap...
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 19, 2015 16:41:16 GMT -5
Not just you. Boomzilla and I certainly don't hear the same. His favorite speakers lean towards Klipsch and Thiel. For me they are both over bright and fatiguing. The local guy who sells Thiel calls them "revealing." What ever you call it, to me they are bright. Klipsch are more of a "sound" thing for me, but they have a similar characteristic. I personally find the horn to have a "honky" characteristic, and they also have a "boxy" sound to me that I don't care for. The funny thing is, for me, while I don't like either much for the same reason, it's with totally opposite music. For me, Thiels do sound very nice with classical, and even jazz. But with rock and roll forget about it. Klipsch are the exact opposite. I like them okay for rock and roll, but don't like them at all for finer music like jazz or classical. B&W's are too laid back for me. They are very British. Very dry and un-excitable. In other words, boring in my book. Unless they change their speakers sound, neither brand will be one I will ever put money towards.
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Post by klinemj on Oct 19, 2015 17:27:20 GMT -5
Personally, I am not willing to put in the effort to make sure Vinyl sounds great. But I have a friend who is, and I have to say...his vinyl sounds amazing...VPI TT,Benz cart, battery powered phono head amp, everything dialed in to the max, and running through a great tube amp and Sonus Faber Cremona's. He even found a very good cleaning process for his vinyl that takes away pops and clicks from used LP's (it involves using Mr. Clean Magic Erasers!). It really does not get better.
So, in his case...Vinyl is to digital as Mercedes is to Chevy. In my case, it would be reversed.
I say,"to each, his own..."
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Post by Boomzilla on Oct 19, 2015 19:05:43 GMT -5
So Boomzilla, you would be against me acquiring the RP6 that I am about to get? It's all good! Yes - it IS all good. And since it's your money, it's your choice. Horn loaded speakers have colorations - no denying it. But their low distortion and high dynamics can make them sound like real music in real space despite the colorations. The Avant-Garde Zero uses digital compensation to remove the horn colorations. I'd LOVE to hear a pair of those! But until then... Each to their own preference.
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Post by brubacca on Oct 19, 2015 19:23:32 GMT -5
So Boomzilla, you would be against me acquiring the RP6 that I am about to get? It's all good! Yes - it IS all good. And since it's your money, it's your choice. Horn loaded speakers have colorations - no denying it. But their low distortion and high dynamics can make them sound like real music in real space despite the colorations. The Avant-Garde Zero uses digital compensation to remove the horn colorations. I'd LOVE to hear a pair of those! But until then... Each to their own preference. Were you answering 2 questions at once? I'm getting a Rega RP6 Turntable.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 19, 2015 22:19:00 GMT -5
Vinyl is to digital as Klipsch is to Bowers & Wilkins You didn't actually think that you'd get away with THAT without some come-back, did you? LOL I'd put a 1970's vintage K-Horn up against any (ANY) B&W ever made. The K-Horn would whip the B&W like the chi-hua-hua dog it is in the following areas: Dynamics (duh) Verisimilitude of treble instruments (particularly cymbals) Efficiency Low distortion (particularly Transient Intermodulation [TIM] distortion) Ultimate loudness capability These aren't opinions (except maybe the second one), but measurable facts. So maybe we should say that dross is to gold as B&W is to Klipsch? Even granting you most of those points, the B&W's sound more natural and real (so I guess I disagree with #2).
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Post by highfihoney on Oct 20, 2015 0:28:31 GMT -5
I think im with boomzilla on the b&w vs k-horns , i have lascalas now in a tube rig that replaced speakerlab k-horns which imo are one of the most dynamic sounding speakers ever made , all klipsch heritage speakers are too bright for me but with a little silicone to damp the horns the brightness is gone , b & w products allways sound very stiff to me .
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Post by klinemj on Oct 20, 2015 5:05:21 GMT -5
Wait a minute!!!! Did anyone else notice? Boomzilla just cited a reason for his belief being MEASURABLE facts!!! The man who won't measure in his room relies on measurements to support an argument!!! Brilliant!!! ROTFLMAO!!! Mark
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 6:11:27 GMT -5
Wait a minute!!!! Did anyone else notice? Boomzilla just cited a reason for his belief being MEASURABLE facts!!! The man who won't measure in his room relies on measurements to support an argument!!! Brilliant!!! ROTFLMAO!!! Mark Room? You mean like in a house? I thought Boom lived at a Flea Market. Speaking of noticing. Did anyone notice that the guy whose name rhythms with Bozo used the H-word about 7 posts above. It is the ultimate taboo derogatory insult word for some of us Irish. Actually my mother used to call me the N-word. She would say: Chuckie you big Nincompoop!
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Post by Boomzilla on Oct 20, 2015 6:34:30 GMT -5
Were you answering 2 questions at once? I'm getting a Rega RP6 Turntable. Oops - I'm just dazed and confused (as usual) - LOL
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Post by vneal on Oct 20, 2015 7:56:30 GMT -5
You didn't actually think that you'd get away with THAT without some come-back, did you? LOL I'd put a 1970's vintage K-Horn up against any (ANY) B&W ever made. The K-Horn would whip the B&W like the chi-hua-hua dog it is in the following areas: Dynamics (duh) Verisimilitude of treble instruments (particularly cymbals) Efficiency Low distortion (particularly Transient Intermodulation [TIM] distortion) Ultimate loudness capability These aren't opinions (except maybe the second one), but measurable facts. So maybe we should say that dross is to gold as B&W is to Klipsch? I've always thought the Klipshorns to be overly bright and very fatiguing. But that's me. I owned a pair of KHorns & LAScalas back in 1979. Efficiency kings they were. . I was never happy with the bass from either. With or withour a sub( I used a 18" Velodyne at the time), and for my room they took up too much room. I do not think they are modern speakers and yes they cannot hold a candle to B&W CM10s, 800s, 802s or 803s IMHO
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Post by Boomzilla on Oct 20, 2015 15:03:30 GMT -5
For K-Horns or La Scalas to really bloom, they need ROOM. Like an auditorium sized room. Normal living rooms, I can understand how other speakers would sound better. But if you have a 25 x 40 sized room (or larger), then yes, the "Heritage" Klipsch speakers are for YOU. If I ever build a house (becoming less likely these days), I'd put in a cavernous room & go with K-Horns plus a La Scala center. Maybe some Heresys for side & rear surrounds... I met my first La Scalas in a 1979 local juke joint. They had theirs suspended upside down from the ceiling. The SPLs were incredible, but those La Scalas were absolutely clean despite the volume. The speakers were so good that I actually lost track of my young lady & had to go steal her back from the dog pack that tried to carry her away while I was distracted. All's well that ends well, and both the date and the La Scalas were lifetime memorable. Pavlovian conditioning, perhaps? In any case, I've always had a sweet spot in my heart for the big Klipsch products.
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