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Post by maseline98 on Nov 11, 2015 8:59:32 GMT -5
I"m thinking about adding another pair of ceiling speakers to move to 9.1 channel system(with 4 ceiling speakers. I already have 2 UAC8.2s running in the rears). I have a few questions about it. 1. What configuration would I even have? 5.1.4? 7.1.2? It seems very confusing and even looking at all the diagrams, it doesn't really tell me. --1a. Will the configuration be able to be used with DTS-X? 2. Should I even use Dolby Atmos with my space(see attached room diagram-->this is not to scale. Did the best I could in 3 minutes off the top of my head )? 3. Where should the additional front ceiling speakers be located? 4. Does brand and matching matter? --4a. Should I try to get another pair of UAC8.2s(which might be hard)? --4b. Buy 4 new ones? People on the Klipsch board keep pushing the Klipsch CDT-5800C II which are way out of my price range. --4c. Does timbre matching matter all that much? 5. Should I just get another 2 channel amp to power them of move all 4 ceiling to a 5 channel amp? Here are some of my specs Power: -Emotiva XPA-5 -Adcom GFA-5300(powering ceiling) Speakers: ---Klipsch RF-7s/RC-7/RS-7s/UAC-8.2s/SVS 20-39 PC+ The Room is about 26'x22' and I currently sit about 16' from the screen and my theater area is about 14' wide. My area has to offer 2 functions. --1. Home Theater(when we bought the house, I was "supposed" to be given another room in the house for a dedicated theater, but that is now a playroom. --2. My bar area and entertainment area.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 9:11:49 GMT -5
1. What configuration would I even have? 5.1.4? 7.1.2? It seems very confusing and even looking at all the diagrams, it doesn't really tell me. --1a. Will the configuration be able to be used with DTS-X? You would be 5.1.4 (5 bed channels. 1 life channel. 4 ceiling channels Yes any configuration will be volatile with dts:X 2. Should I even use Dolby Atmos with my space(see attached room diagram-->this is not to scale. Did the best I could in 3 minutes off the top of my head )? Sure! It works in any space really. As long as you stay within the recommended specs to allow for enough separation for the speakers 3. Where should the additional front ceiling speakers be located? 45 degrees from your ears at mlp. In line to just inside front l\r speakers 4. Does brand and matching matter? Not really. RC will take care of it for the most part --4a. Should I try to get another pair of UAC8.2s(which might be hard)? --4b. Buy 4 new ones? People on the Klipsch board keep pushing the Klipsch CDT-5800C II which are way out of my price range. --4c. Does timbre matching matter all that much? 5. Should I just get another 2 channel amp to power them of move all 4 ceiling to a 5. Depends on what avr you have.
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Post by maseline98 on Nov 11, 2015 9:29:25 GMT -5
Are you saying the front ceiling should be 45 degrees from my ears or are you saying all of them? My room isn't big enough to do the rears that way. They are actually almost right on top of me. And my RS and LS are about 3 feet above ear level.
EDIT: Since I have 8' ceilings, that would say that they would be in about 5 feet in front of me. I'm assuming this still applies to DTS-X.
EDIT: I have a umc-200 currently, but will obviously need to upgrade that for Dolby Atmos.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 11:08:21 GMT -5
You can put the "middle top" directly above you. And the top fronts on the ceiling so they are 45deg in front of you. (Simple right triangle math) measure from your ears sitting down to ceiling. That's how far in front of the mlp the ceiling speakers should be.
Yes in theory (Dts:x at this point is vaporware) this will be fine for Dts:x
For best atmos your surrounds shouldn't be that high. They should be at most 1' above ear level
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 11, 2015 11:13:11 GMT -5
Doesn't it really matter how you hook it up? Your current ceiling could be 'back' channels, then adding another pair would give you 7.1.2, or as @bmoney says, use all ceilings for 'atmosphere' and have 5.1.4. I don't know what would sound best with current material, but you could also reconfigure as more Atmos came out.
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Post by KeithL on Nov 11, 2015 11:44:07 GMT -5
If you want it to be right (meaning that "objects sound like they're where they're supposed to be"), then the ceiling speakers should be for height, and the surrounds should be at or slightly above ear level. If you just want it to "sound nice", then do whatever works for you but, unless you have a lot of channels, the main benefit of Atmos for the consumer is those height speakers. (Arguably, as a home listener, if you're not going to set up "proper" height speakers, then there's really not much reason to bother with Atmos at all.) Doesn't it really matter how you hook it up? Your current ceiling could be 'back' channels, then adding another pair would give you 7.1.2, or as @bmoney says, use all ceilings for 'atmosphere' and have 5.1.4. I don't know what would sound best with current material, but you could also reconfigure as more Atmos came out.
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Post by lesliew on Nov 11, 2015 12:12:35 GMT -5
Configure for 5.1.4 Atmos. New in ceilings should be 45degrees from your MLP, TF or TM, probably wont hear a lot of difference. It wouldn't be a bad idea to try and get another set of UAC8.2s but not a major problem if you can find something close. I recently picked up another matching pair of in-ceilings for my room just in case they are discontinued before I go to 9.1.6.
DTS:x will work fine using the Atmos layout.
If there was anyway you could move your sectional off the back wall by 18" minimum you could use a pair of inwalls for 7.1.4
All of the DTS:x demos at Cedia this year used Atmos speaker layouts and they sounded pretty good IMHO.
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Post by lesliew on Nov 11, 2015 12:13:12 GMT -5
Doesn't it really matter how you hook it up? Your current ceiling could be 'back' channels, then adding another pair would give you 7.1.2, or as @bmoney says, use all ceilings for 'atmosphere' and have 5.1.4. I don't know what would sound best with current material, but you could also reconfigure as more Atmos came out. Thats a bad idea
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Post by hemster on Nov 11, 2015 12:32:57 GMT -5
Doesn't it really matter how you hook it up? Your current ceiling could be 'back' channels, then adding another pair would give you 7.1.2, or as @bmoney says, use all ceilings for 'atmosphere' and have 5.1.4. I don't know what would sound best with current material, but you could also reconfigure as more Atmos came out. Thats a bad idea Care to elaborate why it's a bad idea?
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Post by lesliew on Nov 11, 2015 13:21:31 GMT -5
Care to elaborate why it's a bad idea? Speakers on the bed layer whether it be 5.1 or 7.1 ideally should be mounted at ear level or max 1 foot above ear level, this will ensure that you have enough separation between the bed layer and height layer to provide a sense of envelopment (the sound in the bed & height layer shouldn't appear to be coming from the same spot).
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Post by hemster on Nov 11, 2015 13:39:21 GMT -5
Care to elaborate why it's a bad idea? Speakers on the bed layer whether it be 5.1 or 7.1 ideally should be mounted at ear level or max 1 foot above ear level, this will ensure that you have enough separation between the bed layer and height layer to provide a sense of envelopment (the sound in the bed & height layer shouldn't appear to be coming from the same spot). Thanks, that makes sense.
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Post by maseline98 on Nov 11, 2015 14:41:42 GMT -5
For best atmos your surrounds shouldn't be that high. They should be at most 1' above ear level Well. I had to mount them that high for safty reasons. The Klipsch RS-7s was monsters(9.5"h x 9.5"d x 22.5"w and 24 lbs.) and I now have a 2 year old. The Left Surround is actually mounted on a bulkhead and the right one is just set to the level match it. I've considered selling them and getting something smaller that would be able to put on a stand, but never did that. Plus I was told that I had to hide the wires. No stepping over wires or seeing large amounts running down walls. I don't know what would sound best with current material, but you could also reconfigure as more Atmos came out. I'm not sure that would be option for me. Once I cut those holes in the drywall, they are probably there to stay. I'm still getting greive about not patching my 3 - 2"x 2" holes I needed to run the power and hdmi cables for the projector. I keep telling her I'm going to need those to possibly pull more wires in the future. It wouldn't be a bad idea to try and get another set of UAC8.2s but not a major problem if you can find something close. I've been looking for another pair, but to no avail. I need to find another person that bought them and never installed them, but this is becoming more and more of a pain because of Atmos. Do you have a suggestion as to what might be close to them. If there was anyway you could move your sectional off the back wall by 18" minimum you could use a pair of inwalls for 7.1.4 Well...There are 3 problems with this. 1. The room is probably not big enough to be able to do it. 2. That is an exterior wall and it has foam insulation 3. (most important). No WAF. I tried it and she said the it was in the middle of traffic lane.
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Post by bootman on Nov 11, 2015 15:33:38 GMT -5
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 11, 2015 23:55:55 GMT -5
Doesn't it really matter how you hook it up? Your current ceiling could be 'back' channels, then adding another pair would give you 7.1.2, or as @bmoney says, use all ceilings for 'atmosphere' and have 5.1.4. I don't know what would sound best with current material, but you could also reconfigure as more Atmos came out. Thats a bad idea If I'm understanding this, it's only a half bad idea. Edit: Oh, I see you bolded the bad part, got it.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 12, 2015 0:01:42 GMT -5
I don't know what would sound best with current material, but you could also reconfigure as more Atmos came out. I'm not sure that would be option for me. Once I cut those holes in the drywall, they are probably there to stay. I'm still getting greive about not patching my 3 - 2"x 2" holes I needed to run the power and hdmi cables for the projector. I keep telling her I'm going to need those to possibly pull more wires in the future. I didn't mean to physically reconfigure, I meant to try hooking up the speakers as either 7.1.2 or 5.1.4. Simply connect the wires to different channels of the amp and then tell the system what you've done. Even though everyone thinks it's a 'bad idea' it's trivial to try.
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Post by yves on Nov 12, 2015 4:06:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 7:41:11 GMT -5
if you put the atmos speakers directly above you mlp...it WILL give you fin overhead and 3d immersion...however it will only beneift from overhead sounds and panning overhead from left to right...buit not back/front to front/back pans.
It will work and work quite well but will not be the same as having 4 properly setup atmos speakers (TF and TR or TF and TM)
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 12, 2015 15:18:01 GMT -5
Speakers designed for downwards firing have different spec drivers due to the gravity effect. It's not considered a good idea to use normal (sideways firing) speakers, they tend not to last for very long with gravity assisting their extension and fighting gravity for their retraction. The larger (heavier) the driver the more the requirement.
Cheers Gary
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Post by maseline98 on Nov 12, 2015 15:29:36 GMT -5
I think based on my limited research. I'm going to try to get another pair of UAC-8.2s and go with a 5.1.4 config. I was only able to find a few receivers that support both 5.1.4 and DTS-X(namely the Marantz SR-6010), but with a $1400 price tag, its probably not in the cards for awhile. :\
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 15:50:53 GMT -5
So do only atmos for now You can buy my x4100 will get you 5.1.4 now. And for very cheap
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