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Post by leonski on Mar 29, 2016 16:03:47 GMT -5
EMO is going to use B&O modules and as such, the sound will NOT be radically different from Any Other B&O sourced amp. The main opportunities are in input circuitry where you may install some (minor) custom circuitry to accomodate both balanced and singled ended inputs.
Very little opportunity for a radial redesign or 'customization'.
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Post by Jim on Mar 29, 2016 16:08:12 GMT -5
EMO is going to use B&O modules and as such, the sound will NOT be radically different from Any Other B&O sourced amp. The main opportunities are in input circuitry where you may install some (minor) custom circuitry to accomodate both balanced and singled ended inputs. Very little opportunity for a radial redesign or 'customization'. Has Emotiva stated that they are using B&O modules?
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Post by klinemj on Mar 29, 2016 16:35:01 GMT -5
EMO is going to use B&O modules and as such, the sound will NOT be radically different from Any Other B&O sourced amp. The main opportunities are in input circuitry where you may install some (minor) custom circuitry to accomodate both balanced and singled ended inputs. Very little opportunity for a radial redesign or 'customization'. Has Emotiva stated that they are using B&O modules? I believe they indeed did say they are using ICE modules, but I cannot recall where that info came from. I also recall someone posting exactly which ones. Mark
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Post by leonski on Mar 29, 2016 16:46:39 GMT -5
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Post by Spike on Mar 29, 2016 16:53:01 GMT -5
Glad you can at least keep your sense of humor about it! I do truly hope you can manage it well. A buddy has such chronic pain that he can barely function day to day due to long term back issues. Music is his only relief. Mark I can relate to that. CRPS is deemed by the medical community to be the most painful of all the chronic pain conditions. I went from being a pastor in the ministry working up to 60-70 hours a week to writhing in pain every single day due to CRPS. Your friend and I have music in common. I pull over my eye mask, put on some Art Pepper and hope for more pain free times. I hope your friend endures. I wish him well.
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Post by Spike on Mar 29, 2016 17:06:54 GMT -5
I found that which is below at the link you posted... very interesting! I had a chance to sit with Emotiva’s President Dan Laufman and get a sneak peek of some of the Emersa lineup at their Nashville headquarters. All I can say is that the Emersa lineup looks gorgeous in person. The OLED display is crisp and sharp and each component is incredibly light. If Emotiva delivers on its sonic promise, the new Emersa line could give many audiophiles and home theater lovers some great-sounding gear that finally win the aesthetics war at home. As you’d expect from Emotiva, the Emersa lineup comes in at an unbelievable price/performance mark. EMP-1 pre-pro: $899 EPA-1 stereo-preamp: $599 EPI-1 Integrated Amp: $799 EDA-2 Amplifier: $599 EDA-5 Amplifier: $799 EDA-7 Amplifier: $999 Projected availability of the Emersa models will be early 2016 with even more models in the lineup announced later in the new year.
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Post by Spike on Mar 29, 2016 17:08:50 GMT -5
The Crown XLS DriveCore series amps are light and sound very good. The XLS-1002/1502/2002/2502 amps differ from the 1000/1500/2000/2500 amps in a number of things. The newer lineup have 12v trigger on/off which is nice - and they have a more flexible crossover filter/DSP built in. I use a Panamax to power my amps up. It works for me. I would suggest trying out either the past or current Crown DriveCore amps. The 1500 is a bargain IMO @ $299.I paid a bit less for mine but I'd willingly pay $299 - the sound is as good as any amp I've owned - and I have owned many amps in the past few years alone. How can you go wrong with a 3 year warranty and gobs of power for that price? With 525wpc on tap (4ohms) it can't be touched at twice that for a new amp. The only caveat with these amps - and any class d amp - don't use them with highly sensitive speakers such as Klipsch and BIC America horn loaded tweeter speakers. As often as not most will have some buzz/hum noise with no source playing. I'm in a similar state as you. I have back problems from an industrial accident many years ago that is not getting better - just the opposite in fact. Heavy amps are not going to find their way into my audio rack. - which is the beauty with these Crown class d amps. The three of mine together weigh just under 30#. If you are interested in buying used the Rotel RMB- RMB-1085 is a very good 5 channel class d amp in a 14# package. Very light and plenty of power. I owned one for a time and enjoyed it very much. It uses the very good Bang & Olufsen modules that produce 100/180wpc into 8/4ohms. They are available on ebay and Audiogon from time to time. Rotel also marketed class d in 6 channel as well as 2 channel amps with 250wpc. There are many options available in new and used class d amps. When Emotiva brings their class d amps to market I'm tempted to try one out but I'm very happy with the sound from the Crown amps. Your situation is indeed very similar to mine. Thanks so much for this post.
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 29, 2016 17:18:04 GMT -5
Please be mindful he is describing a debility not a disability. Two completely different terms. ROFLOL! Kind of Like Digital and Class D? GRIN hahahahahahaha... Debilitating.. disabled.. Handicapped.. you name it.. I've been called them all. I truly hate this disease ROFLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! hahaha.. Precisely! However, I am a Board Certified Counselor as well as a Health Educator and Social Worker. Maybe is my training and education that persuades me to use the correct terminology accordingly.
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Post by Jim on Mar 29, 2016 17:38:17 GMT -5
Good stuff about Emersa. Hopefully the new toys come out this year. /ducks
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Post by leonski on Mar 29, 2016 17:41:20 GMT -5
I found that which is below at the link you posted... very interesting! I had a chance to sit with Emotiva’s President Dan Laufman and get a sneak peek of some of the Emersa lineup at their Nashville headquarters. All I can say is that the Emersa lineup looks gorgeous in person. The OLED display is crisp and sharp and each component is incredibly light. If Emotiva delivers on its sonic promise, the new Emersa line could give many audiophiles and home theater lovers some great-sounding gear that finally win the aesthetics war at home. As you’d expect from Emotiva, the Emersa lineup comes in at an unbelievable price/performance mark. EMP-1 pre-pro: $899 EPA-1 stereo-preamp: $599 EPI-1 Integrated Amp: $799 EDA-2 Amplifier: $599 EDA-5 Amplifier: $799 EDA-7 Amplifier: $999 Projected availability of the Emersa models will be early 2016 with even more models in the lineup announced later in the new year. In the real world, few persons have room or funds for 5 or 7 XPA-1 amps, let alone the juice to make it work. When the significant other gets involved you have to compromise and seek solutions. to that end, a 5 or 7 channel 'd' amp with SMPS included makes a lot of sense. I've tried to get people who are shopping for 'sounds' to get the speaker they like from the MORE SENSITIVE end of the spectrum. This makes finding enough power a LOT easier. The difference between my 84db Panels and a speaker of 90db is quite a bit of power. Like 4x. My 400watts per panel could easily be duplicated by 'only' 100 watts. It also leaves me VERY puzzled when somebody buys an XPR-1 or -2 and plugs 'em into a 15 amp service. I mean? Why bother? I'm personally puzzled also by so many speakers which unless you have the space MUST involve lots of compromise and so have kept with my stereo habit. Besides? Where the heck would I put 5 or even 7 panels? I'd be living in the garage eating cold cereal out of the box. I suggested some time ago a real good integrated with a rich feature set. I'll wait and see what the new integrated brings to the table.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 29, 2016 18:44:12 GMT -5
I hope your friend endures. I wish him well. If you are on FB, look up "Dr. K's Musical Exam Room". He has fun with his music blogs when he can. He has quite the knowledge of a range of music and writes about it and has fans votes on various topics every now and then. Mark
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Post by ilok on Mar 29, 2016 19:50:13 GMT -5
digital is such a buzz word means nothing unless specified It's not, Class D amp does a analog to digital conversion via an ADC chip, then it amplifies it via delta sigma. It's like a super DAC actually. There are some designs that takes digital input directly, skipping the ADC conversion, this is where the industry is headed.
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Post by leonski on Mar 30, 2016 0:20:27 GMT -5
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Post by oldschoolpolk on Apr 3, 2016 10:07:59 GMT -5
Does anyone know the ICE modules used in the new Emersa line?
I'm guessing the 200ASC/200AC & 300ASC/300AC depending on model. The new Legacy amp uses the 700ASC2 for 325 watts@8ohms for $1,600. I don't need 325 watts and can't afford $1,600. The EDA-2 w/150 watts at $600 is just right.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Apr 3, 2016 10:28:21 GMT -5
The new Emersa amplifiers use the Ice Power 300ASC's, and depending on the model configuration, they may also use the matching "hanger module". We have our own input buffering, output filtering, and of course, micro-controller power management and housekeeping. We're very close to star gin production on these new models!! They are great and IMO, the 300ASC is the best sounding module in the series Cheers, Big Dan
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Post by leonski on Apr 3, 2016 12:30:47 GMT -5
Good. I'd been confusing the talk of switching/rail PS ('H') with the new Emersa stuff. The ASC moduels HAVE the PS on-board. These are 3rd or 4th generation ICE Power and really have taken advantage of all that came before. Power is right in the Sweet Spot. Good Times:
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Post by MusicHead on Apr 3, 2016 12:57:28 GMT -5
The new Emersa amplifiers use the Ice Power 300ASC's, and depending on the model configuration, they may also use the matching "hanger module". We have our own input buffering, output filtering, and of course, micro-controller power management and housekeeping. We're very close to star gin production on these new models!! They are great and IMO, the 300ASC is the best sounding module in the series Cheers, Big Dan N(ICE) stuff! Sorry, could not resist... www.icepower.bang-olufsen.com/en/solutions/speaker/ASC_SERIESSeriously, the EMP-1 + EDA-5 seems an interesting upgrade path from my Fusion 8100, which I am enjoying immensely. I need slim form factor electronics.
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Post by oldschoolpolk on Apr 3, 2016 14:30:10 GMT -5
Well all the OEM amps using the ASC modules have gotten great reviews but they've all been out of my price range. The ASC line all incorporate the ICEPower HCOM and COM modulation as well as MECC control techniques which result in a FCKNGA delivery.
Hats off to Dan and his crew for bringing it to the people!
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Post by cheddar on Apr 3, 2016 15:26:27 GMT -5
I am also most interested in the emersa line, as well as any other class D and direct digital products Emotiva may have in the pipeline. These products along with the more efficient XPA line shows a real science based emphasis on usability and efficiency. I hope this progressive approach pays off for Emotiva and their customers.
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Post by Spike on Apr 4, 2016 0:01:52 GMT -5
The new Emersa amplifiers use the Ice Power 300ASC's, and depending on the model configuration, they may also use the matching "hanger module". We have our own input buffering, output filtering, and of course, micro-controller power management and housekeeping. We're very close to star gin production on these new models!! They are great and IMO, the 300ASC is the best sounding module in the series Cheers, Big Dan Pops his Bubble Gum (Yes, Bubble Gum. Every Cubs Fan has a stock full. It's the only way to cope with 100+ years with no W.S. Victory) I wish that I could be a little fly on the wall to find out what very close to starting production means in actual time! bzzzzzzbzzzzzzzzbzzz (SWAT and Smash)
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