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Post by 405x5 on Apr 8, 2016 10:23:24 GMT -5
Subwoofer companies must HATE the idea of advocating multiple subs. I bet
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Post by hemster on Apr 8, 2016 10:44:57 GMT -5
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Post by altloff on Apr 11, 2016 23:44:45 GMT -5
Dual subs here...For me is not about louder it just seems to make the bass more impactful and smoother... Exactly, 99% of the time, multiple Subs are quieter because you're not having to compensate with Volume to get the impact. First rule is... Use the correct Sub and position it correctly, it will be just fine for one seat. If your interested in covering more than one seat, then add more of the proper Subs in the proper positions in your space. I'm running 4 x 15" Subs & 6 x 15"/2 x 8"/1 x 10" Powered Woofers in my bed layer speakers, and I still want to add at least 2 more Subs... But I am ALtlOff...
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Post by simpleman68 on Apr 12, 2016 9:07:06 GMT -5
Did anybody read this? That is an enormous undertaking of both time and money spent in real world R/D. I only skimmed the parameters and outcomes so far but this is a hell of a link. Thanks for posting D. Scott
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Post by yves on Apr 12, 2016 11:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by Jim on Apr 12, 2016 13:08:13 GMT -5
Just remember, the ultimate setup is an infinite number of subs.
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Post by gus4emo on Apr 12, 2016 13:46:15 GMT -5
I use to have only one sub with my current system, back then I thought two subs were overkill keeping in mind I live in an apartment. Then my one sub went out, I decided to replace it with two, and to be honest to me the sound seems to be much more balanced and my set up actually lets them flank the speakers. I should mention that when I had my home I had dual subs stacked on top of each other set to cover different frequencies they really sounded good. That just brought to mind the fact that I didn't stack these I might try that in the not to distant future gee. I vote at least try dual subs if properly set up you will be surprised. I once asked how to get 2 subs to do different frequencies, I almost got shot, lol, I would like one to let's say go down to 30 and the other do 30 and down.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 14:21:20 GMT -5
I use to have only one sub with my current system, back then I thought two subs were overkill keeping in mind I live in an apartment. Then my one sub went out, I decided to replace it with two, and to be honest to me the sound seems to be much more balanced and my set up actually lets them flank the speakers. I should mention that when I had my home I had dual subs stacked on top of each other set to cover different frequencies they really sounded good. That just brought to mind the fact that I didn't stack these I might try that in the not to distant future gee. I vote at least try dual subs if properly set up you will be surprised. I once asked how to get 2 subs to do different frequencies, I almost got shot, lol, I would like one to let's say go down to 30 and the other do 30 and down. Are they identical subs ? More info is needed..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 14:59:29 GMT -5
I use to have only one sub with my current system, back then I thought two subs were overkill keeping in mind I live in an apartment. Then my one sub went out, I decided to replace it with two, and to be honest to me the sound seems to be much more balanced and my set up actually lets them flank the speakers. I should mention that when I had my home I had dual subs stacked on top of each other set to cover different frequencies they really sounded good. That just brought to mind the fact that I didn't stack these I might try that in the not to distant future gee. I vote at least try dual subs if properly set up you will be surprised. I once asked how to get 2 subs to do different frequencies, I almost got shot, lol, I would like one to let's say go down to 30 and the other do 30 and down. Why?!
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Post by gus4emo on Apr 12, 2016 16:07:20 GMT -5
I once asked how to get 2 subs to do different frequencies, I almost got shot, lol, I would like one to let's say go down to 30 and the other do 30 and down. Are they identical subs ? More info is needed.. I use an Outlawaudio LFM EX for music which I love, placed on the front right corner, then I switch to an HSURESEARCH VTF15 MK2 for movies, placed on the right back corner which I love for movies. ..
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Post by gus4emo on Apr 12, 2016 16:24:29 GMT -5
I once asked how to get 2 subs to do different frequencies, I almost got shot, lol, I would like one to let's say go down to 30 and the other do 30 and down. Why?! If one has towers which go down to let's say 30 and they play beautifully then adding a sub for movies which let's say play from 30 to 15, wouldn't that make the system more complete? I cross all channels at 80, I know there are subs that go down to 30 and play from 80 to 30 with authority..... would it hurt to have a second sub just to do from 30 to 15? Just wondering...
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Post by Porscheguy on Apr 12, 2016 16:52:31 GMT -5
I have multiple subs too...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 17:44:03 GMT -5
If one has towers which go down to let's say 30 and they play beautifully then adding a sub for movies which let's say play from 30 to 15, wouldn't that make the system more complete? I cross all channels at 80, I know there are subs that go down to 30 and play from 80 to 30 with authority..... would it hurt to have a second sub just to do from 30 to 15? Just wondering... Sounds like a waste to get a sub to play such a narrow band.. Why not take the load off the towers and let the sub do from 15-80.. Sounds like more trouble than it's worth but it would definitely work.. Get better subs and use mid bass modules to bridge the upper bass gap..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 17:57:06 GMT -5
Exactly. A sub is designed to play from 120 down to 30 or lower. The main has to someone much more. So take that strain off he tower and let the sub handle the grunt Plus most times the best spot for the mains seldom is the best spot for the sub. Hence why a sub/sat system (setup that way) > full range towers no sub
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Post by altloff on Apr 12, 2016 19:17:52 GMT -5
If one has towers which go down to let's say 30 and they play beautifully then adding a sub for movies which let's say play from 30 to 15, wouldn't that make the system more complete? I cross all channels at 80, I know there are subs that go down to 30 and play from 80 to 30 with authority..... would it hurt to have a second sub just to do from 30 to 15? Just wondering... Because..... Then what are you doing with the LFE channel, blending it into your mains? As stated above, that makes no sense because there's a 99.9% chance they're not positioned correctly, and the LFE channel has frequencies from 200-150hz and down in it. I do have towers that will play clean down to 30hz, I simply run them as Large, let those sounds be played from those channels and let my subs handle the 120hz and below LFE channel, simple as that, it's old school thinking, but I still prefer the sound that way.
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Post by gus4emo on Apr 12, 2016 19:43:52 GMT -5
If one has towers which go down to let's say 30 and they play beautifully then adding a sub for movies which let's say play from 30 to 15, wouldn't that make the system more complete? I cross all channels at 80, I know there are subs that go down to 30 and play from 80 to 30 with authority..... would it hurt to have a second sub just to do from 30 to 15? Just wondering... Because..... Then what are you doing with the LFE channel, blending it into your mains? As stated above, that makes no sense because there's a 99.9% chance they're not positioned correctly, and the LFE channel has frequencies from 200-150hz and down in it. I do have towers that will play clean down to 30hz, I simply run them as Large, let those sounds be played from those channels and let my subs handle the 120hz and below LFE channel, simple as that, it's old school thinking, but I still prefer the sound that way. So including the sub you have 3 speakers playing down to 30, you must have them well positioned to avoid cancelation.
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Post by gus4emo on Apr 12, 2016 19:46:22 GMT -5
If one has towers which go down to let's say 30 and they play beautifully then adding a sub for movies which let's say play from 30 to 15, wouldn't that make the system more complete? I cross all channels at 80, I know there are subs that go down to 30 and play from 80 to 30 with authority..... would it hurt to have a second sub just to do from 30 to 15? Just wondering... Sounds like a waste to get a sub to play such a narrow band.. Why not take the load off the towers and let the sub do from 15-80.. Sounds like more trouble than it's worth but it would definitely work.. Get better subs and use mid bass modules to bridge the upper bass gap.. I was just wondering, don't get me wrong, I love my Outlaw LFM EX for music and my HSURESEARCH VTF15 MK2 for movies.
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Post by yves on Apr 12, 2016 19:59:26 GMT -5
If one has towers which go down to let's say 30 and they play beautifully then adding a sub for movies which let's say play from 30 to 15, wouldn't that make the system more complete? I cross all channels at 80, I know there are subs that go down to 30 and play from 80 to 30 with authority..... would it hurt to have a second sub just to do from 30 to 15? Just wondering... Because..... Then what are you doing with the LFE channel, blending it into your mains? As stated above, that makes no sense because there's a 99.9% chance they're not positioned correctly, and the LFE channel has frequencies from 200-150hz and down in it. I do have towers that will play clean down to 30hz, I simply run them as Large, let those sounds be played from those channels and let my subs handle the 120hz and below LFE channel, simple as that, it's old school thinking, but I still prefer the sound that way. There's a 150% chance my mains are positioned correctly. That's just because I chose to position them that way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 20:09:16 GMT -5
Sounds like a waste to get a sub to play such a narrow band.. Why not take the load off the towers and let the sub do from 15-80.. Sounds like more trouble than it's worth but it would definitely work.. Get better subs and use mid bass modules to bridge the upper bass gap.. I was just wondering, don't get me wrong, I love my Outlaw LFM EX for music and my HSURESEARCH VTF15 MK2 for movies. Now this isn't saying not to try it... I'm all for experimenting. Just offered my opinion that was all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 20:15:57 GMT -5
If one has towers which go down to let's say 30 and they play beautifully then adding a sub for movies which let's say play from 30 to 15, wouldn't that make the system more complete? I cross all channels at 80, I know there are subs that go down to 30 and play from 80 to 30 with authority..... would it hurt to have a second sub just to do from 30 to 15? Just wondering... Because..... Then what are you doing with the LFE channel, blending it into your mains? As stated above, that makes no sense because there's a 99.9% chance they're not positioned correctly, and the LFE channel has frequencies from 200-150hz and down in it. I do have towers that will play clean down to 30hz, I simply run them as Large, let those sounds be played from those channels and let my subs handle the 120hz and below LFE channel, simple as that, it's old school thinking, but I still prefer the sound that way. If I was in your shoes I'd set the towers to small and push the crossover down to 40ish hz.. But that's just me. And what has worked for me in the past. I was under the impression the LFE channel only had frequencies up to 120hz not 200 but I've been wrong before..
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