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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 15, 2016 18:21:47 GMT -5
Title says it all. The TV stand currently has the TV on it. If I were to wall-mount the flat screen (65" Samsung), I could put a "conventional" center channel speaker on the stand. Otherwise, I could mount a "wall-mount" center speaker above the TV.
From an acoustics standpoint, I don't know which would be better. From a viewing standpoint, I don't know which would be better.
Opinions, please, with explanations? Thanks - Boom
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Post by novisnick on Apr 15, 2016 18:30:31 GMT -5
I've had my TV and center speaker in three different positions. A) TV on the stand B) Tv on an elevated stand with the center speaker below it, no holes in the wall but required a stand that could accommodate both. C) wall mounted TV D) sit the TV on a rectangular center channel. Personally the best option for a 65" TV, which I have, is wall mounting on an articulating mount. ( C ) I have pictures if you like, so it did happen.  |
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Post by valgolfs on Apr 15, 2016 18:44:42 GMT -5
I put my 75" on the wall, center channel on an angled stand I made under it.
The TV midpoint is just above my eye level when seated on the couch 11' away. That puts the bottom of the TV approx 24" off the floor. I chose this for a better viewing experience vs having the center channel tweeters aligned with L/R.
I have wall mounted maybe 8 TV's over the past decade or so, big fan of it.
Good luck
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Post by mgbpuff on Apr 15, 2016 19:50:40 GMT -5
If tv is mounted on the wall, it may have to be mounted fairly high to prevent the center speaker from infringing; If so use a tiltable mount. It will look better this way and tv is more protected from being knocked over (use a safety strap, if you must stand mount the tv).
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 15, 2016 20:30:13 GMT -5
My thoughts will vary from others but here's my 2 cents.
For TV or theater it's much more important to have the video screen at the proper height then to have the speaker at ear level, or all tweeters at the same height. Those high mounted TVs are horrible. People who say otherwise must actually enjoy sitting in the front row of a movie theater. It completely ruins the entire home watching experience, and you really need to angle it down so it shoots straight at you. Non-optimal sound might hamper a movie, but it doesn't ruin it like a TV 7 feet up breaking your neck. The optimum TV height is so while seated the center of the screen is at eye level. This is not always possible of course. I forget right now but I think the best it could do was like 6"above my eyes. I sit about 10 feet away so it's totally fine.
As for wall mounting vs stand, I say stand, at least for the main theater room. First, with it on the wall it becomes a big sound bouncing machine. It's like having a big glass window between your speakers with no drapes. Hard to control once its up there. Second, on the stand allows you to pull the TV closer to you which means bigger picture. Third, and back to the sound, you can put wall mounted sound absorption directly behind the TV which made a HUGE difference in my room. When I redid my room I had every intention of mounting it on a wall, but totally changed my mind during the process. I'm SO glad I did.
As for the speaker, I used to have mine sitting on top of the my old 55" CRT monolith aimimg down towards my head. It was okay but never great. I really wanted to place it vertically under the TV with a custom stand but it just put the TV too high. So I made the shelf under the TV hold it horizontally, and made it so there was some air room above the speaker. I then played with placement in and forward on the shelf, as well as angle. As far forward worked best. The front of the speaker actually protrudes out of the cabinet. But what surprised me is that angling up towards my ears created a beaming effect. The voices were too direct. As it turns out, the speaker laying flat shooting the sound straight ahead produces the most lifelike natural sound. It blends rather than localizing.
So my advice is to stand mount the TV and the speaker under the TV. This from my room, my speakers, and my cabinet.
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Post by wizardofoz on Apr 15, 2016 21:37:39 GMT -5
IKEA make some under stair shelf brackets that can work well as adjustable angle speaker brackets for the center speaker. Works perfectly for me but then I have a concrete wall to mount everything off...and my 65" panny plasma prof panel ain't no light weight either...likewise the erm6.3 not to light either...use this for both my center mounting setups.
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Post by valgolfs on Apr 15, 2016 22:16:07 GMT -5
Bonzo
Great idea "wall mounted sound absorption directly behind the TV"
I was able to mount mine about 8" out from the wall, wanting to have curtains flank the TV, trying to get some symmetry up front.
Having a large reflective object between L/R has bothered me for years, so much that at times I have placed a blanket over it during critical listening. It works!
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Post by novisnick on Apr 15, 2016 22:35:48 GMT -5
Its time for pictures!!!   Tap to enlarge. Fully articulating mount, is pulled forward from wall allowing treatment behind curtains. May be raised, lowered, tilted etc. 65" Samsung UHD 8550 7' to 8' from seating. Main two channel speakers forward of center channel and TV. Doesn't interfere with two channel music. Dirac adjusted speakers for theater, 7.5 configuration, YMMV Room fully treated I think I've addressed others concerns. Next visit, add an inspection to the agenda. |
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Post by yves on Apr 16, 2016 1:44:43 GMT -5
Here's a good example of what you could try.
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Post by garbulky on Apr 16, 2016 10:38:55 GMT -5
Unless you use the TV often, I would take it off to the side and use that nice Epson you've got Wall mounting the TV would probably be a good idea otherwise. It will help the acoustics. But you will have a smaller perceived screen |
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Post by creimes on Apr 16, 2016 11:24:38 GMT -5
Its time for pictures!!! View Attachment Tap to enlarge. Fully articulating mount, is pulled forward from wall allowing treatment behind curtains. May be raised, lowered, tilted etc. 65" Samsung UHD 8550 7' to 8' from seating. Main two channel speakers forward of center channel and TV. Doesn't interfere with two channel music. Dirac adjusted speakers for theater, 7.5 configuration, YMMV Room fully treated I think I've addressed others concerns. Next visit, add an inspection to the agenda. Nick I'm just not convinced you like Emotiva  |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 16, 2016 11:36:27 GMT -5
Here's a good example of what you could try. Not enough speakers...there is room for a few more. Maybe he could mount some on the floor...☺ |
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Post by yves on Apr 16, 2016 15:31:44 GMT -5
Here's a good example of what you could try. Not enough speakers...there is room for a few more. Maybe he could mount some on the floor...☺ lol  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 16, 2016 16:47:57 GMT -5
Well, the purpose of the 65" TV was to eliminate the projector / screen. But...
Projectors depreciate quickly. Mine's currently on flea-Bay for less than half what I paid for it & still no takers...
The 110" projector IS definitely a nicer picture than the TV, but the TV is higher rez. The most the projector can do is 1080p, but the TV can do 4K (and automatically up-converts most everything).
The stand DOES roll, so pulling it forward for movies is an option.
Currently, the bottom of the TV is about 36 inches from the floor. Not optimal. The projector screen can pull to about 30" from the floor, but with the bigger picture, it isn't too much of an issue.
Using the projector for TV isn't a good option. The projector has the light output to do it, but with rapid bulb deterioration. As I currently run it (low-light mode in a darkened room) it's ideal for movies, though, and a single bulb will last forever.
Indecision reigns...
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Post by Percussionista on Apr 16, 2016 19:15:17 GMT -5
For TV or theater it's much more important to have the video screen at the proper height then to have the speaker at ear level, or all tweeters at the same height. Those high mounted TVs are horrible. People who say otherwise must actually enjoy sitting in the front row of a movie theater... As for wall mounting vs stand, I say stand, at least for the main theater room.... As for the speaker, I used to have mine sitting on top of the my old 55" CRT monolith aimimg down towards my head. It was okay but never great.... I then played with placement in and forward on the shelf, as well as angle. As far forward worked best.... As it turns out, the speaker laying flat shooting the sound straight ahead produces the most lifelike natural sound. It blends rather than localizing. So my advice is to stand mount the TV and the speaker under the TV. This from my room, my speakers, and my cabinet. Ooh I'm glad this topic has come up, though my issue is what to do with the 55" TV in the bedroom not the main theater room so much. The "proper height" for the video in the bedroom has a wrinkle that perhaps doesn't happen in a main theater. Perhaps. So here I am sitting up in bed, leaning back against a propped up pillow or two, watching the TV across the room, about 10.5 feet. Since I'm leaning back (the most comfortable position) my eyes naturally center higher on the wall than if sitting ramrod straight on a couch in a main theater room situation. If I also were naturally leaning back even in a main theater room, then presumably my eyes would also center higher and therefore it would make sense in that case to have that TV higher up. In the bedroom, I currently have to "force" my head down a little to watch the picture. The TV is sitting on a low-ish cabinet. The problem is also compounded by the front edge of the bed w.r.t. the audio. The bed could be described as a "sleigh" type. The feet end (nearest the TV) is a solid curved hunk of wood that clears up above the bed surface by several inches. The front speakers have to be up reasonably high to clear this otherwise it causes egregious problems. The fronts (Stealth-8's) are on custom stands 34" high, which place themselves within but slightly above the center line of the TV. I had been attempting to add a center (Stealth-6), by getting it as high as it could go off the floor without blocking the TV, but even with angling it up to attempt to beam the sound above the sleigh wood, it still was dreadful. I had really wanted to mount the TV on the wall, and had purchased a heavy-duty articulating mount, that required it to be attached to two uprights in the wall. This would have allowed me to have the TV against the wall and to the right when in "rest mode", and then pull it out and shift it to the left to center it between the speakers (as well as angling down some). (There is an entrance to the master bath in-between, can't keep that covered up ;-)) It's not clear from searching out the stud locations that single uprights were used floor to ceiling so installation might not work. The room angles up, it's 8 ft. in the right corner and then goes up to about 10 ft. in the left corner, so they may have split the uprights. So, maybe it would be just as well to get a higher stand, the current one is fairly old and a "low boy" type. Getting a higher stand would also allow the Stealth-6 center to be placed higher. Not great for earthquake country, but ... The other interesting thing you mention is getting the center out of the cabinet as far as possible. I currently have the main theater center in the cabinet, sticking out a little and angled up. As you have noted, this appears to create a more "beamed" affect and that sometimes this causes the vocals to be less integrated with the rest. There are some issues with getting the center out (blocks components remote control from the far side, in the dining area), but in the short term I think I will try not angling it up. Years ago when we had our first "theater TV", a behemoth 65" RPTV, I had the center sitting on top, and that was excellent. I think I generally preferred it there than below the screen. But the ear compensates after a while. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 16, 2016 19:53:47 GMT -5
Well, the centers & mains "came together" for the first time tonight. I had to twiddle with the relative levels to get a match, but when I did - WOW! Hard to believe that there wasn't a full surround system in place - the 3.0 system "suggested" rear info with a GREAT deal of credibility. Since my wife is averse to the "point-one" effects, I just rain the fronts all full-range & didn't lack for the bass at all. It wouldn't satisfy those for whom boom-box cars are "good sound," but it worked fine in my room sans subs. Music definitely benefits from the 2.1 setup, but we enjoy movies more without the subs. Weird - I know... In any case, I'm becoming less inclined to mess with anything now. It sounds great as is & both the smarter half and I enjoy both music & movies. Good enough! - Boom |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 16, 2016 20:50:44 GMT -5
Well, the centers & mains "came together" for the first time tonight. I had to twiddle with the relative levels to get a match, but when I did - WOW! Hard to believe that there wasn't a full surround system in place - the 3.0 system "suggested" rear info with a GREAT deal of credibility. Since my wife is averse to the "point-one" effects, I just rain the fronts all full-range & didn't lack for the bass at all. It wouldn't satisfy those for whom boom-box cars are "good sound," but it worked fine in my room sans subs. Music definitely benefits from the 2.1 setup, but we enjoy movies more without the subs. Weird - I know... In any case, I'm becoming less inclined to mess with anything now. It sounds great as is & both the smarter half and I enjoy both music & movies. Good enough! - Boom Great to hear boom, funny, most of my two channel is 2.0 and HT I engage the subs. Chocolate and vanilla my friend! That why they make both.  |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 16, 2016 20:57:56 GMT -5
Well, the purpose of the 65" TV was to eliminate the projector / screen. But... Projectors depreciate quickly. Mine's currently on flea-Bay for less than half what I paid for it & still no takers... The 110" projector IS definitely a nicer picture than the TV, but the TV is higher rez. The most the projector can do is 1080p, but the TV can do 4K (and automatically up-converts most everything). The stand DOES roll, so pulling it forward for movies is an option. Currently, the bottom of the TV is about 36 inches from the floor. Not optimal. The projector screen can pull to about 30" from the floor, but with the bigger picture, it isn't too much of an issue. Using the projector for TV isn't a good option. The projector has the light output to do it, but with rapid bulb deterioration. As I currently run it (low-light mode in a darkened room) it's ideal for movies, though, and a single bulb will last forever. Indecision reigns... Yes, Indecision reigns. Different subject matter, same thought!!  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 17, 2016 6:16:36 GMT -5
Decision made. After discussing it with the boss, the TV stays, the projector & screen go. That done, second decision made - the TV gets wall mounted - the (future) center speaker goes on top of the rack.
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Post by vneal on Apr 17, 2016 8:55:16 GMT -5
TV
WALL MOUNT ONLY IN MOST SITUATIONS
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