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Post by ottaone on Apr 17, 2016 9:29:49 GMT -5
I voted to wall mount the TV and put the speaker on a stand of some sort.
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Post by gus4emo on Apr 17, 2016 12:01:30 GMT -5
Its time for pictures!!! View Attachment Tap to enlarge. Fully articulating mount, is pulled forward from wall allowing treatment behind curtains. May be raised, lowered, tilted etc. 65" Samsung UHD 8550 7' to 8' from seating. Main two channel speakers forward of center channel and TV. Doesn't interfere with two channel music. Dirac adjusted speakers for theater, 7.5 configuration, YMMV Room fully treated I think I've addressed others concerns. Next visit, add an inspection to the agenda. Awesome equipment, couple of questions, doesn't the sound make the screen size look small, are those 2 subs stacked or one two driver sub, if it's 2 subs stacked how do th r you sound, I keep reading it's not a good idea...
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Post by novisnick on Apr 17, 2016 12:31:50 GMT -5
After typing a full response,,,,,,its,,,,,,,,,,,,,Gone!!
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Post by novisnick on Apr 17, 2016 12:52:01 GMT -5
Its time for pictures!!! Tap to enlarge. Fully articulating mount, is pulled forward from wall allowing treatment behind curtains. May be raised, lowered, tilted etc. 65" Samsung UHD 8550 7' to 8' from seating. Main two channel speakers forward of center channel and TV. Doesn't interfere with two channel music. Dirac adjusted speakers for theater, 7.5 configuration, YMMV Room fully treated I think I've addressed others concerns. Next visit, add an inspection to the agenda. Awesome equipment, couple of questions, doesn't the sound make the screen size look small, are those 2 subs stacked or one two driver sub, if it's 2 subs stacked how do th r you sound, I keep reading it's not a good idea... Screen; I'm not sure how sound can make the screen look smaller but I think I know what you're seeing, the Emotiva logo doesn't utilize the full 65" of my TV, so,it would appear to look smaller in this picture. My eyes are 8' from the screen and it actually appears larger duemto the black curtains I've placed behind the screen. Subs; there are indeed two subs to the left of the speaker in the picture. Klipsch 380's, with one 8" active driver and two 8" passives. They are rather powerful and articulate for such a small package. They play as one in this configuration. The room actually has 5 subs at this time, another Klipsch behind my seat, its a model 310 and then there're two PSA XV-15se's , one at the top right of the picture barley visible and another as an end table to my left. No, there are not any nulls in the room, or I haven't found them. Thanks for the look see, always happy to answer any questions that I can. Nick
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Post by hemster on Apr 17, 2016 12:56:59 GMT -5
novisnick, are you sure you have enough subs? Maybe get a couple more to place under your seat?
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Post by novisnick on Apr 17, 2016 13:12:47 GMT -5
novisnick , are you sure you have enough subs? Maybe get a couple more to place under your seat? I've actually taken one out and placed it in my other system. I looked really hard at Pops post of the two XS-15se's, it was very very tempting,!!!! But where I live requires a building permit for demolishion!!!
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 17, 2016 14:28:31 GMT -5
In general, stacking subs doesn't work. BUT - in some rooms, it's awesome! If your room has no serious standing wave problems to start with, then vertical stacking (even in a corner) can be heavenly. Remember (as all those internet authorities don't) that your listening space is a three-dimensional construct - not a simple 2D drawing. Displacement in any axis (horizontal OR vertical) makes a BIG difference. So don't knock it until you've tried it. Sometimes vertically stacked subs work just fine.
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 17, 2016 15:53:24 GMT -5
And now that I've decided to hang that Samsung on the wall like a deer head, I know for a fact that I'm not doing it myself (my back isn't what it used to be...). So should I hire Best Buy (where I bought the thing) to do the hanging, or should I go with a handyman? In favor of BB is that they're licensed, bonded, & insured and I also can be reasonably confident that they won't be casing the place for a robbery when they're here. OTOH, I've no great confidence in their kids' abilities and they'll undoubtedly charge an arm & a leg.
Your advice, Loungers?
Thanks - Boom
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Post by valgolfs on Apr 17, 2016 16:39:53 GMT -5
I agree with you on the kids/cost from bb. I'd go handyman, maybe negotiate a good price. The job in not difficult, sorry about your back. If you lived close, I be glad to do it for you.
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Post by gus4emo on Apr 17, 2016 17:31:28 GMT -5
After typing a full response,,,,,,its,,,,,,,,,,,,,Gone!! Screen: What I mean is, and I will be exaggerating, imagine playing a movie at reference level while watching it on a cell phone, as I can see you have a hell of a system with a 65 inch, of course to each it's own, if I had that I would not have anything smaller than 80 inch.. Subs: I envy you, grin, you must have a perfect room...
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Post by gus4emo on Apr 17, 2016 17:37:30 GMT -5
And now that I've decided to hang that Samsung on the wall like a deer head, I know for a fact that I'm not doing it myself (my back isn't what it used to be...). So should I hire Best Buy (where I bought the thing) to do the hanging, or should I go with a handyman? In favor of BB is that they're licensed, bonded, & insured and I also can be reasonably confident that they won't be casing the place for a robbery when they're here. OTOH, I've no great confidence in their kids' abilities and they'll undoubtedly charge an arm & a leg. Your advice, Loungers? Thanks - Boom BB does a real good job!!!!! At least my local BB did... I still have both arms and legs, lol...
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Post by novisnick on Apr 17, 2016 17:51:04 GMT -5
After typing a full response,,,,,,its,,,,,,,,,,,,,Gone!! Screen: What I mean is, and I will be exaggerating, imagine playing a movie at reference level while watching it on a cell phone, as I can see you have a hell of a system with a 65 inch, of course to each it's own, if I had that I would not have anything smaller than 80 inch.. Subs: I envy you, grin, you must have a perfect room... Gotch ya! Yep, 80" would be better but I came from a 46"! Next stop? ? In the future!!! Im working on " PERFECTING " my two channel. HT is crazy great sound wise, IMO, TV of my future is Quality and size are growing along with the pricing, Ill get alot of service from my 65". Two channel is daily and HT is bi-monthly. Priorities are within reason. My room is far far from perfect! Ive spent alot of timemand energy educating myself and treating my cave. I'm an over thinker, not good sometimes.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 17, 2016 17:59:30 GMT -5
And now that I've decided to hang that Samsung on the wall like a deer head, I know for a fact that I'm not doing it myself (my back isn't what it used to be...). So should I hire Best Buy (where I bought the thing) to do the hanging, or should I go with a handyman? In favor of BB is that they're licensed, bonded, & insured and I also can be reasonably confident that they won't be casing the place for a robbery when they're here. OTOH, I've no great confidence in their kids' abilities and they'll undoubtedly charge an arm & a leg. Your advice, Loungers? Thanks - Boom Had mine hung by the Best Buy "team", he did a great job! Polite friendly and professional. I don't know what they charge because mine had free installation with the purchase. I did pay for a calibration though. I think both were well worth the price, I am a believer. If you purchased from BB, speak to the manager and tell them where you made your purchase and to take that into consideration. They do have leeway to do such things.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 17, 2016 18:26:59 GMT -5
BB "sale", $349.99 for full articulated mount and installation. mot sure if thats an arm or a leg.
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 17, 2016 18:28:58 GMT -5
Two plusses & zero minuses - Best Buy it is! I'll talk to them tomorrow.
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Post by wizardofoz on Apr 18, 2016 7:42:19 GMT -5
I don't know why but so many US rooms I see have the TV's amounted WAY TOO HIGH..mid horizontal should be at eye level just like your tweeters should be.
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 18, 2016 7:55:07 GMT -5
It's an artifact of hanging pictures. People think that (like in museums) pictures should be hung high. In fact, the only reasons museums do it that way is to keep the art above the grubby fingers of little ones. The center of the screen, for me, should be at 46" above grade. Most people are shorter, and would (ideally) employ a lower mounting.
Of course, this is theory... In practice, I had my projector screen hung from the ceiling and it extended to about 36" off the floor. This put the "screen center" at between five and six feet. Despite that, I had no problem enjoying the video there. But perhaps the larger aspect made the higher mounting less irritating?
I'm not sure that (unless you have neck problems) it matters how high the screen is mounted.
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 18, 2016 9:36:59 GMT -5
Ooh I'm glad this topic has come up, though my issue is what to do with the 55" TV in the bedroom not the main theater room so much. The "proper height" for the video in the bedroom has a wrinkle that perhaps doesn't happen in a main theater. Perhaps. So here I am sitting up in bed, leaning back against a propped up pillow or two, watching the TV across the room, about 10.5 feet. Since I'm leaning back (the most comfortable position) my eyes naturally center higher on the wall than if sitting ramrod straight on a couch in a main theater room situation. If I also were naturally leaning back even in a main theater room, then presumably my eyes would also center higher and therefore it would make sense in that case to have that TV higher up. In the bedroom, I currently have to "force" my head down a little to watch the picture. The TV is sitting on a low-ish cabinet. The problem is also compounded by the front edge of the bed w.r.t. the audio. The bed could be described as a "sleigh" type. The feet end (nearest the TV) is a solid curved hunk of wood that clears up above the bed surface by several inches. The front speakers have to be up reasonably high to clear this otherwise it causes egregious problems. The fronts (Stealth-8's) are on custom stands 34" high, which place themselves within but slightly above the center line of the TV. I had been attempting to add a center (Stealth-6), by getting it as high as it could go off the floor without blocking the TV, but even with angling it up to attempt to beam the sound above the sleigh wood, it still was dreadful. I had really wanted to mount the TV on the wall, and had purchased a heavy-duty articulating mount, that required it to be attached to two uprights in the wall. This would have allowed me to have the TV against the wall and to the right when in "rest mode", and then pull it out and shift it to the left to center it between the speakers (as well as angling down some). (There is an entrance to the master bath in-between, can't keep that covered up ;-)) It's not clear from searching out the stud locations that single uprights were used floor to ceiling so installation might not work. The room angles up, it's 8 ft. in the right corner and then goes up to about 10 ft. in the left corner, so they may have split the uprights. So, maybe it would be just as well to get a higher stand, the current one is fairly old and a "low boy" type. Getting a higher stand would also allow the Stealth-6 center to be placed higher. Not great for earthquake country, but ... The other interesting thing you mention is getting the center out of the cabinet as far as possible. I currently have the main theater center in the cabinet, sticking out a little and angled up. As you have noted, this appears to create a more "beamed" affect and that sometimes this causes the vocals to be less integrated with the rest. There are some issues with getting the center out (blocks components remote control from the far side, in the dining area), but in the short term I think I will try not angling it up. Years ago when we had our first "theater TV", a behemoth 65" RPTV, I had the center sitting on top, and that was excellent. I think I generally preferred it there than below the screen. But the ear compensates after a while. Totally agree with the bedroom TV thing. Every room has it's own situation. For example, in my kitchen/dining nook/family room I have a 50" Samsung plasma hanging on the wall at about eye height when standing. It's the only way it works in that room. I knew Boom was talking about his main room, and in a main theater room I believe the optimum height for a TV is absolutely not high on the wall. For me it's more important to have the TV in it's proper position than to worry about the center channel being at the same height as the main speakers. It's theater. While sound quality is very important, and it should all sound it's best, the video part is where 2 channel music turns to theater, and theater is minimally 50% about the video, if not more. Video takes precedence. For someone (not you, but there are people who will) to say that a center channel can not possibly sound good if it's not perfectly aligned with the front left rights, well, I totally disagree. I was very worried about putting my center speaker inside the TV cabinet. I was afraid the sound would turn to "boxy" crap. That's why when designing the cabinet I made sure that I would have some headroom above the speaker, and pulling it as forward as I can totally eliminated that "boxy" sound. It sounds much better now than it used to sitting open on top of the TV. Even when I concentrate on listing to the center channel only (which is the opposite of what you want when watching a movie), it blends so well now that I can't make it out as a speaker at all. It's perfectly blended and calls zero attention to itself.
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 18, 2016 9:46:15 GMT -5
People think that (like in museums) pictures should be hung high. In fact, the only reasons museums do it that way is to keep the art above the grubby fingers of little ones. Funny, at 5'-10" I'm very average male height, and when I go to museums, the pictures are usually hung so the center of the picture is at about my eye level. So I've always thought since museums might take optimum view height into consideration, that was the reason for their placement. The grubby fingers thing never came to mind. Just as an LCD TV looses it's PQ as you move to the side, the same thing can happen vertically. That's why with an LCD you need to angle the TV down if you have to mount it high on the wall and you sit on a normal couch or chair.
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 18, 2016 15:07:54 GMT -5
Well, the Best-Buy-boys are coming on Wednesday to wall mount the TV. Since height is not a concern, I'll have it mounted at eye level. Whole job = $299 (ouch). I guess one doesn't get any "repeat offender discount" there. So this opens up the (perpetual) discussion of "what's the best center?" For my ears (and my volume level), the "entry level" Axiom VP-100 should be fine. I've had one before & it matched the speakers well. The other question that arises (and this is a significant one) is how to integrate the HT electronics with the stereo electronics. Maybe I should just give up & use an AVR? I'd rather not, but otherwise things get complex. Since we don't want to use the "point-one" sub channel on movies, maybe just running the R/L fronts from the "main, full-range" outputs of the Oppo and the rest of the channels from the AVR would simplify things? If only the McIntosh pre had a HT bypass mode!
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