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Post by panchakshari on Sept 29, 2016 12:20:01 GMT -5
Hi Keith.. Is there any possibility to add a video processing chip like.. Qdeo or Anchorbay or Darbee in future for the XMC-1 in hdmi2.1 or 2.xyz... board..
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Post by geebo on Sept 29, 2016 12:44:12 GMT -5
Hi Keith.. Is there any possibility to add a video processing chip like.. Qdeo or Anchorbay or Darbee in future for the XMC-1 in hdmi2.1 or 2.xyz... board.. Emotiva decided to drop video processing with the XMC-1 to concentrate on audio performance. A good decision IMHO.
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Post by KeithL on Sept 29, 2016 13:36:36 GMT -5
Agreed. The other thing is that video processing tends to be device specific. It usually makes sense for a specific source device, like a disc player, to have processing optimized for discs. And for a monitor, like a projector, to have processing optimized for the specific hardware it uses. (And it's sort of questionable whether there would be any worthwhile improvement to be had by processing 4k anyway.....) Hi Keith.. Is there any possibility to add a video processing chip like.. Qdeo or Anchorbay or Darbee in future for the XMC-1 in hdmi2.1 or 2.xyz... board.. Emotiva decided to drop video processing with the XMC-1 to concentrate on audio performance. A good decision IMHO.
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Post by rbk123 on Sept 29, 2016 15:12:41 GMT -5
Emotiva decided to drop video processing with the XMC-1 to concentrate on audio performance. An good outstanding decision IMHO. Slight correction in your post....
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Post by geebo on Sept 29, 2016 15:40:25 GMT -5
Emotiva decided to drop video processing with the XMC-1 to concentrate on audio performance. An good outstanding decision IMHO. Slight correction in your post.... Duly noted.
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Post by autiger on Sept 30, 2016 9:31:23 GMT -5
So, is there no option to install this board yourself for those so inclined? I thought self installation was going to be an option but that the waranty on the updated parts would not be in effect.
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Post by bootman on Sept 30, 2016 9:56:51 GMT -5
Hi Keith.. Is there any possibility to add a video processing chip like.. Qdeo or Anchorbay or Darbee in future for the XMC-1 in hdmi2.1 or 2.xyz... board.. Darbee doesn't have a 4K solution out yet. The rest is IMHO about as good as what you find built in to a higher end HDR display. So until darbee comes out with a 4K solution I don't want any processing on my XMC. And when Darbee does come up with one I'll do what I do today on my 1080 display and get an external unit connected to the output of the XMC. With my XMC purchase I'm done with the silly getting a new AVR every six month scam the OEMs and the HDMI committee (made up of OEMs BTW) just to keep up with useless features I don't need.
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Post by millst on Sept 30, 2016 10:58:47 GMT -5
Second that, Darbee or don't bother. Unless you're primary watching is old anime, it's going to make a larger improvement than anything from Qdeo, Anchorbay, etc.
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Post by cawgijoe on Sept 30, 2016 14:11:54 GMT -5
So, is there no option to install this board yourself for those so inclined? I thought self installation was going to be an option but that the waranty on the updated parts would not be in effect. I just received an e-mail from Emotiva stating that the XMC-1 had to be sent in. "This upgrade involves critical video switching components in your XMC-1; because each XMC-1 must be tested to ensure optimum performance after the upgrade, this upgrade must be installed here at Emotiva."
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Post by bolle on Sept 30, 2016 14:15:12 GMT -5
For real? I already got a quote for a XMC-1 but in this case I won´t buy one before it, or the EMP-1, or the XMC-1L, is available with HDMI 2.0a.
Shipping and reshipping would be $350-400 alone. No thanks.
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Post by cwt on Oct 1, 2016 1:38:31 GMT -5
For real? I already got a quote for a XMC-1 but in this case I won´t buy one before it, or the EMP-1, or the XMC-1L, is available with HDMI 2.0a. Shipping and reshipping would be $350-400 alone. No thanks. Quite the incentive to wait for the hdmi2.0a pcb and atmos board to be available even more imo . Especially with the object codecs residing on the uhd discs.. The requirement for shipping rather than local retrofitting certainly matters more considering the terms ..
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Post by klinemj on Oct 1, 2016 6:26:10 GMT -5
I think it is great that the upgrade board is out. Emotiva has lived up to the promise of the xmc-1 being upgradable, and more is to come. That said, I am unlikely to do this upgrade or the next hdmi board and Atmos upgrades any time soon. Why? As someone else noted, I would need to update my projector and bluray...AND have content that needed it (and for Atmos, add amps and speakers.)
Net, I will likely just wait for the xmr/rmc/whatever and use my 25% upgrade for life and be happy. If I end up needing/wanting the upgrade before that is ready, I will cross that bridge when the time comes.
FYI, I am hoping that the prices of 80+" monitors comes down dramatically before the time comes. I would rather get out of the projector business.
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Post by bolle on Oct 1, 2016 6:29:41 GMT -5
I wouldn´t - until they develop an acoustically transparent OLED display...
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 1, 2016 7:32:34 GMT -5
I will more than likely go for the next HDMI board and skip the Atmos update. In my current home I have no desire to retrofit ceiling speakers. It's nice tha Emotiva is offering reduced shipping to replace this first board, but disappointing that there is no diy option. There must be more to it than a simple board swap.
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Post by cwt on Oct 1, 2016 12:52:17 GMT -5
It's nice tha Emotiva is offering reduced shipping to replace this first board, but disappointing that there is no diy option. There must be more to it than a simple board swap. Hdmi is very fragile with all its 18+? traces so understandable that which is still there has it looks been replaced by Personally I think its rather a good idea to check that the upgrade is tested ; the higher bit rates and frame rate that 2.0 can handle means a higher bandwidth increase over what hdmi1.4 could handle ; a good stress test if you like Its a bit of a luxury that we have this choice of cards and more ? when other ce's are about to hit the 2.1 HDR wall . If the xmc1 had a video processor built in as the bandwidth goes up so would the cost ; a 1080p abt chip for example would have to be bypassed for a 4k signal [ if the architecture even allowed it ] ; a clean signal will be even more important in the future ; emo foresight possibly at work..
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Post by counterpoint on Oct 1, 2016 23:48:58 GMT -5
We strongly suggest that you buy equipment that gives you the performance you want now.... and ENJOY IT. The dust doesn't show any signs of settling any time soon.... So waiting for it to do so is probably a losing battle.... you'll just be waiting forever. This has been my frustration; deciding when to jump in exactly. I'm still using a 7 year old Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH so anything I upgrade to is going to be a nice improvement. When 4K started to rear its head I said to myself I'll wait for the hardware to mature. Then came HDMI 2.0/Atmos/DTS:X/HDR. And now its HDMI 2.1 and dynamic metadata. Aghh! I never really cared about Atmos/DTS:X but having HDMI 2.1 and dynamic metadata might future proof it for a bit longer. I'm coming from a Pioneer Elite PRO-151FD 60" KURO so I've also been waiting for technology to catch up to the KURO's black level. I considered the 65" LG B6 OLED but I really wanted to upgrade to a 75"+ size display. LG's 77" Signature display is $20K msrp so no way I'm paying that. I considered the 75" Vizio P-series but I don't think I'd like the hit to black level, contrast, and viewing angle. Think I might wait until next year and see what's available. Believe me, I want to buy an XMC-1 now but considering I don't have a 4K display just yet I think I'll just wait for the Atmos/DTS:X enabled version.
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Post by garbulky on Oct 2, 2016 0:26:25 GMT -5
We strongly suggest that you buy equipment that gives you the performance you want now.... and ENJOY IT. The dust doesn't show any signs of settling any time soon.... So waiting for it to do so is probably a losing battle.... you'll just be waiting forever. This has been my frustration; deciding when to jump in exactly. I'm still using a 7 year old Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH so anything I upgrade to is going to be a nice improvement. When 4K started to rear its head I said to myself I'll wait for the hardware to mature. Then came HDMI 2.0/Atmos/DTS:X/HDR. And now its HDMI 2.1 and dynamic metadata. Aghh! I never really cared about Atmos/DTS:X but having HDMI 2.1 and dynamic metadata might future proof it for a bit longer. I'm coming from a Pioneer Elite PRO-151FD 60" KURO so I've also been waiting for technology to catch up to the KURO's black level. I considered the 65" LG B6 OLED but I really wanted to upgrade to a 75"+ size display. LG's 77" Signature display is $20K msrp so no way I'm paying that. Keith has a point. HOWEVER....there are times of large change and then that of small change. The large change is happening right now. We are talking about this makes the stuff simply not work because we are running obsolete copy protection on our stuff blah blah. Like DVD (component cables) to blu ray - HDMI. We had 1, 1.4 etc. Nobody cared. It has HDMI of some sort, plays blu ray. But you bought a component cable unit at the time of this change, now things got sticky. It didn't matter that you realize that you get the same picture with component cables. The world went HDMI and copy protection. Now we have blu ray 4k - needs HDMI 2 and HDCP 2.2 And maybe streaming 4k will soon require HDCP 2.2 if it doesn't already. The small stuff: It appears that Dolby Vision is happening and HDR. But really...is it going to MAKE the difference? Can you watch your stuff or will you get a blank screen? (I don't know.) Now atmos is already here. DTS is on its way. These guys require more channels than are available. If you don't have these channels, thigns will still play. I don't think it's reasonable to think that a normal average joe person will watch a blu ray with a bazillion speakers hooked up. BUT.....now we have a hard limit. Where does it go from there? IF you don't have those channels, then you don't have them. And even though you still hear the 7.1 nest audio....what about all those other height channel information? What happens to it? Is it gone? Not the end of the world either, but something to note. I say the big ones are HDMI 2, HDCP 2.2. The others....well it's a gamble. But you need that HDMI 2 and HDCP 2.2, let's not kid ourselves. We are about to go the way of the plasma with component cables with our current sets.
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Post by bootman on Oct 2, 2016 9:07:28 GMT -5
This is why when something requiring everything to be a new hdmi standard you get a player with dual outs or do what the OEMs want you to do and get a new AVR.
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Post by Priapulus on Oct 2, 2016 9:48:53 GMT -5
This is why when something requiring everything to be a new hdmi standard you get a player with dual outs... The XMC-1 has two functions: HDMI switcher, and sound decoder. If I must use a dual-out player, because the XMC-1 can't do the HDMI switching, the XMC-1 is only doing half of its job; which is not what I paid for. (Such a kludge might be acceptable for an 8-year-old processor, but not for one that claims to be state-of-the-art.) I'll wait for the Xmas new board, because with only 1 upgraded input & output, this new board seems to me doing less than half its job... EMO's tradition: "...too little, too late..." Sincerely /b
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Post by bootman on Oct 2, 2016 11:28:13 GMT -5
This is why when something requiring everything to be a new hdmi standard you get a player with dual outs... The XMC-1 has two functions: HDMI switcher, and sound decoder. If I must use a dual-out player, because the XMC-1 can't do the HDMI switching, the XMC-1 is only doing half of its job; which is not what I paid for. (Such a kludge might be acceptable for an 8-year-old processor, but not for one that claims to be state-of-the-art.) I'll wait for the Xmas new board, because with only 1 upgraded input & output, this new board seems to me doing less than half its job... EMO's tradition: "...too little, too late..." Sincerely /b So if you had a non Emotiva product without hdmi 2.0 you would just HAVE to buy another product, no? You make this sound like an Emotiva issue only with the little too late comment. My two year old Pioneer with the latest bells and wisthles at the time is a perfect example. I can't upgrade that unless I buy a new AVR.
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