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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 25, 2017 14:28:11 GMT -5
Will the new HDMI board pass Dolby Vision? I have read in a few places not all boards will pass it. If I'm remembering correctly, HDMI 2.0a supports Dolby Vision, so with HDMI being backwards compatible, the V3/HDMI 2.0b video board that Emotiva plans for summer will be able to handle Dolby Vision.
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Post by bolle on Mar 26, 2017 5:06:15 GMT -5
Maybe I should concentrate on speakers... MDF, a table saw, a hole saw, off the shelf parts, and some black paint... sounds easy! π Simulation of your enclosure with e.g. BEM, simulation of your stiffening braces, simulation of internal absorption and dampening... People not happy with the distortion measurement, people having different opinions regarding horizontal and / or vertical diffraction. Driver suppliers having too much tolerance regarding their build quality, charge of bad MDF with less density than normal... I guess everything can be strenuous or go bad.
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Post by cwt on Mar 26, 2017 6:56:57 GMT -5
Will the new HDMI board pass Dolby Vision? I have read in a few places not all boards will pass it. If I'm remembering correctly, HDMI 2.0a supports Dolby Vision, so with HDMI being backwards compatible, the V3/HDMI 2.0b video board that Emotiva plans for summer will be able to handle Dolby Vision. Yes lc ;its a moving target this board having morphed from .a to .b ; which just goes to show how on top of the latest developments emo are thankfully emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/841880
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 26, 2017 7:02:10 GMT -5
Will the new HDMI board pass Dolby Vision? I have read in a few places not all boards will pass it. Dolby Vision's grading metadata is "dynamic" rather than "static" and, technically, isn't directly tied to a specific HDMI spec. What Dolby Vision "requires" is HDCP 2.2. So, any HDMI board that is HDCP 2.2 compliant can pass Dolby Vision. Therefore, any board considered HDMI 2.0 (or higher) is compatible since that's the point where HDCP 2.2 was tied to the board specs. Where some confusion may come into play was the fact that, until recently, the Dolby Vision processing engine was SoC. If your device didn't contain the DV chip, your device wasn't compatible. Recently, Dolby announced a software solution that will allow Dolby Vision to be installed (via a software upgrade) on devices which utilize processors fast enough to handle the decoding. This opens up the DV user base, but adding the feature will be "at the mercy" of your device manufacturers (which, btw, always use "public demand" as their sole motivation). Then, there's the glaring fact that "disc based" software availability still remains at ZERO. So, in short, yes, the V3 board "technically" supports Dolby Vision pass through, but will it ever matter...
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Post by geebo on Mar 26, 2017 9:51:30 GMT -5
Will the new HDMI board pass Dolby Vision? I have read in a few places not all boards will pass it. I've heard the specs to pass DV are less than HDR10. Don't know where though.
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Post by cwt on Mar 26, 2017 11:21:12 GMT -5
Will the new HDMI board pass Dolby Vision? I have read in a few places not all boards will pass it. I've heard the specs to pass DV are less than HDR10. Don't know where though. Posted something similar about hdmi1.4 geebo and Keith expanded on it [ and pointed out how unlikely it is to see 8bit HDR iirc ] awhile ago but that preceded Docs new info about a software solution . Heres where I came across its adaptability hdguru.com/dolby-vision-tries-to-set-bar-for-hdr/
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Post by tesla on Mar 26, 2017 13:26:18 GMT -5
Just curious, does the 25% discount for life apply to these upgrades, as well as turnkey products? I'm planning on sending in my XMC-1 for both the V3 HDMI upgrade and the ATMOS/DTX upgrades either way, but that 25% discount would surely ease the pain a little.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 26, 2017 13:37:31 GMT -5
Just curious, does the 25% discount for life apply to these upgrades, as well as turnkey products? I'm planning on sending in my XMC-1 for both the V3 HDMI upgrade and the ATMOS/DTX upgrades either way, but that 25% discount would surely ease the pain a little. Its like this,,,,,,,, Unfortunatly
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Post by tesla on Mar 26, 2017 13:57:58 GMT -5
Just curious, does the 25% discount for life apply to these upgrades, as well as turnkey products? I'm planning on sending in my XMC-1 for both the V3 HDMI upgrade and the ATMOS/DTX upgrades either way, but that 25% discount would surely ease the pain a little. Its like this,,,,,,,, Unfortunatly Well, it would have a been nice gesture. I'm still all in. It just stings a little more this way.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 26, 2017 14:05:45 GMT -5
Its like this,,,,,,,, Unfortunatly Well, it would have a been nice gesture. I'm still all in. It just stings a little more this way. Yep! I know it, hats why Im waiting for the last board that should support all 8 inputs and HDR. For the time being ill play my Samsung directly to the TV and stream through it or the native apps on my TV. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and,,,,,,,,we,,,,,,,,wait,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and save some coin for when it hits! My prediction is when it hits the first batch will evaporate quickly! Get um while they're hot I say!
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Post by tesla on Mar 26, 2017 14:22:37 GMT -5
Well, it would have a been nice gesture. I'm still all in. It just stings a little more this way. Yep! I know it, hats why Im waiting for the last board that should support all 8 inputs and HDR. For the time being ill play my Samsung directly to the TV and stream through it or the native apps on my TV. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and,,,,,,,,we,,,,,,,,wait,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and save some coin for when it hits! My prediction is when it hits the first batch will evaporate quickly! Get um while they're hot I say! My inclination is always somewhat different from a first-in approach. Since the ATMOS/DTS-X upgrade will most certainly require a firmware upgrade, I plan to wait a few months for all some of the bugs to shake out. That way, I will hopefully get a more mature offering AND I can ask Santa Wifie for the upgrades as a Christmas gift.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 26, 2017 14:28:21 GMT -5
Yep! I know it, hats why Im waiting for the last board that should support all 8 inputs and HDR. For the time being ill play my Samsung directly to the TV and stream through it or the native apps on my TV. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and,,,,,,,,we,,,,,,,,wait,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and save some coin for when it hits! My prediction is when it hits the first batch will evaporate quickly! Get um while they're hot I say! My inclination is always somewhat different from a first-in approach. Since the ATMOS/DTS-X upgrade will most certainly require a firmware upgrade, I plan to wait a few months for all some of the bugs to shake out. That way, I will hopefully get a more mature offering AND I can ask Santa Wifie for the upgrades as a Christmas gift. Im a somewhat different thinker as well, I was planning on giving this upgrade as a Christmas gift to the Mrs.,,,,,ha,,,ha,,,, That should go over very well! Edit; They had better get it right on release because it'll cost way too much for them to reship back to Emotiva if theres a hardware problem.
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 26, 2017 14:37:20 GMT -5
Its like this,,,,,,,, Unfortunatly Well, it would have a been nice gesture. I'm still all in. It just stings a little more this way. If it's any consolation, Dan has said from the beginning that these upgrades would sell at an absolute minimum price. So, your "discount" is already included... π
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Post by novisnick on Mar 26, 2017 14:43:05 GMT -5
Well, it would have a been nice gesture. I'm still all in. It just stings a little more this way. If it's any consolation, Dan has said from the beginning that these upgrades would sell at an absolute minimum price. So, your "discount" is already included... π True!
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 26, 2017 15:08:33 GMT -5
Correct. 2.0b on all in's and out's. Use three of the big Panasonic HDMI parts. The v2 HDMI board was always intended to be an interim solution until the new v3 board was ready. Remember, there is only one part on the market at there moment that can do what is needed and that is the Panasonic part. ADI, SI, and others are very late coming in with their 2.0b parts. In ADI's case it's pushing 2 years... And to add to the pain, Panasonic is very slow to work with and documentation, etc. is very sparse. It took over 6 months just to get them to talk to us. Longer to get NDA's executed, etc. You get the idea, it's not for the faint of heart. It takes a big design effort to implement the parts, but they are extremely good. So, hang in there. We've got them working and they will be available in the summer. ... So should I assume that the RMC-1 is also gated by this? Casey
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Post by 2muchht on Mar 26, 2017 15:47:51 GMT -5
...What Dolby Vision "requires" is HDCP 2.2. So, any HDMI board that is HDCP 2.2 compliant can pass Dolby Vision. Therefore, any board considered HDMI 2.0 (or higher) is compatible since that's the point where HDCP 2.2 was tied to the board specs... Sorry, Doc, but that's not entirely correct. It's easy to conflate HDMI and HDCP, but though the latter is typically p[art of the former, they are two different things. HDMI defines, if you will, "the pipe". It is how the data is carried, the speed and other related capabilities. HDCP, on the other hand, and a copy protection system controlled by Intel on behalf of the studios and it defines the technology by which content is copy protected. HDCP is not limited to HDMI, as it is also possible to use it for data transported via other schemes such as DisplayPort and Thunderbolt. HDMI can, and usually does, include HDCP, but that is a function for the CONTENT, not the pipe. In other words, it is possible to have an HDMI connection where there is no HDCP, as is the case for HDMI transport of the output of a DSLR, GO-Pro or similar. MOST physical and streaming media use HDCP, but some do not. Dolby Vision's relationship to HDMI has to do with the speed and other factors related to the content. You can have Dolby Vision without HDCP if the content owner allows it. I've seen it at technical conferences and elsewhere. Since most Dolby Vision content is 2160/60p you do need HDMI 2.0 at a minimum. The dynamic metadata is uses can be passed through HDMI 2.0 because of the way it is constructed. In fact, Dolby Vision could even be passed through HDMI 1.4b, albeit at 1080/30p. As an aside, there is a financial reason for broadcasters and streamers to do just that. THe cost of 4K production workflow is so high that many are suggesting that the quality of upscaling is so good that delivering the HDR aspect of Dolby Vision in particular, or HDR in general outweighs the need for 4K. At the recent HPA Tech Retreat more than one broadcaster said that they are considering just that: HDR with 1080p video". HDR-10, on the other hand, works in a manner that carries the HDR metadata in a way that requires HDMI 2.0a. This is, again, not at all related to HDCP. THe benefit of HDMI 2.0b will be to allow dynamic metadata, as Dolby Vision already does, with the more generic type of HDR-10 as defined by SMPTE 2094. Samsung is promoting this as "HDR-10 Plus". Both Dolby Vision and HDR-10 are rooted in SMPTE 2086 with regard to the use of PQ, rather than HLG. But that gets more into the technical weeds. Sorry for being overly geeky here, but I just wanted to set the record straight in disconnecting HDCP from Dolby Vision. All too often we see people complain about HDMI's issues when the cause is really HDCP. Here, it is HDMI's fault for a change, not HDCP.
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 26, 2017 16:45:49 GMT -5
...What Dolby Vision "requires" is HDCP 2.2. So, any HDMI board that is HDCP 2.2 compliant can pass Dolby Vision. Therefore, any board considered HDMI 2.0 (or higher) is compatible since that's the point where HDCP 2.2 was tied to the board specs... Sorry, Doc, but that's not entirely correct. It's easy to conflate HDMI and HDCP, but though the latter is typically p[art of the former, they are two different things. HDMI defines, if you will, "the pipe". It is how the data is carried, the speed and other related capabilities. HDCP, on the other hand, and a copy protection system controlled by Intel on behalf of the studios and it defines the technology by which content is copy protected. HDCP is not limited to HDMI, as it is also possible to use it for data transported via other schemes such as DisplayPort and Thunderbolt. HDMI can, and usually does, include HDCP, but that is a function for the CONTENT, not the pipe. In other words, it is possible to have an HDMI connection where there is no HDCP, as is the case for HDMI transport of the output of a DSLR, GO-Pro or similar. MOST physical and streaming media use HDCP, but some do not. Dolby Vision's relationship to HDMI has to do with the speed and other factors related to the content. You can have Dolby Vision without HDCP if the content owner allows it. I've seen it at technical conferences and elsewhere. Since most Dolby Vision content is 2160/60p you do need HDMI 2.0 at a minimum. The dynamic metadata is uses can be passed through HDMI 2.0 because of the way it is constructed. In fact, Dolby Vision could even be passed through HDMI 1.4b, albeit at 1080/30p. As an aside, there is a financial reason for broadcasters and streamers to do just that. THe cost of 4K production workflow is so high that many are suggesting that the quality of upscaling is so good that delivering the HDR aspect of Dolby Vision in particular, or HDR in general outweighs the need for 4K. At the recent HPA Tech Retreat more than one broadcaster said that they are considering just that: HDR with 1080p video". HDR-10, on the other hand, works in a manner that carries the HDR metadata in a way that requires HDMI 2.0a. This is, again, not at all related to HDCP. THe benefit of HDMI 2.0b will be to allow dynamic metadata, as Dolby Vision already does, with the more generic type of HDR-10 as defined by SMPTE 2094. Samsung is promoting this as "HDR-10 Plus". Both Dolby Vision and HDR-10 are rooted in SMPTE 2086 with regard to the use of PQ, rather than HLG. But that gets more into the technical weeds. Sorry for being overly geeky here, but I just wanted to set the record straight in disconnecting HDCP from Dolby Vision. All too often we see people complain about HDMI's issues when the cause is really HDCP. Here, it is HDMI's fault for a change, not HDCP. Entirely correct. Dolby Vision, solely as a color grading process, doesn't require HDCP 2.2. However, "Ultra HD" does. Since almost all currently available Dolby Vision content is in the Ultra HD format, and most of us will purchase DV content in that manner, HDCP 2.2 will be required. That's where I was going with my comment... Thanks, though, for your very detailed and informative clarification. I certainly don't want to mislead anyone... π
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Post by 2muchht on Mar 26, 2017 17:02:34 GMT -5
DOC: No worries.
No harm taken and none certainly meant. I guess I just wanted to make certain that everyone is clear on the connection -- or not -- between HDMI and HDCP and how that relates to the various HDR schemes. With HDMI 2.0b starting to appear and then with HDMI 2.1 likely to appear from "The BIG Boys" before the end of 2017 but to be fair it will be hard to the likes of Emo to get that out in time, it is going to get sillier before things calm down.
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Post by htguy on Mar 28, 2017 21:00:03 GMT -5
Any Atmos board updates.
The pod cast that was just done spoke about the hdmi board but I did not really hear anything about the Atmos board unless I missed it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 20:39:44 GMT -5
Newbie here looking to purchase XMC-1. Is it correct that both the original XMC-1 Gen-2 with HDMI 1.4 and current model with a single HDMI V2.0 output / input can be upgraded to the upcoming HDMI board with all HDMI V2.0 ports?
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