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Post by tarascon on Apr 3, 2018 22:02:40 GMT -5
I am just curious. Is there any plan to develop a new Pre/Pro priced between the MC-700 and the XMC-1?
I am in the market to replace my current processor and although the MC-700 looks tempting, there are a couple of features I would like that it lacks. The XMC-1 looks great but is outside my budget. From what I have read, the RMC will probably be more expensive than the XMC-1 so that is out too.
Has there been any discussion of such a unit?
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Post by emofrmcgy on Apr 3, 2018 23:53:08 GMT -5
I’m curios too.
I’d be all in on an xmc lite, 7.1.4 unbalanced connections. Dirac lite included or added for a small fee. 7-8 HDMI inputs. Emotiva quality dac. Built in wifi and a 2ru case.
This would fit my needs perfectly. Sadly I’m not emo’s target demographic.
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 4, 2018 0:20:07 GMT -5
I am just curious. Is there any plan to develop a new Pre/Pro priced between the MC-700 and the XMC-1? I am in the market to replace my current processor and although the MC-700 looks tempting, there are a couple of features I would like that it lacks. The XMC-1 looks great but is outside my budget. From what I have read, the RMC will probably be more expensive than the XMC-1 so that is out too. Has there been any discussion of such a unit? Regards, Yes emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/48093/xmc-1lCheers Gary |
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Post by klinemj on Apr 4, 2018 6:28:00 GMT -5
The Emersa line was going to include on that would be in between on price. Whether it comes out as Emersa or as something else (or at all) remains to be seen.
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Post by Percussionista on Apr 4, 2018 10:23:11 GMT -5
I'm probably still in the market for that Emersa-class pre-pro too. Won't know until after we've moved and the dust settles just a little, but I suspect we will want the in-between one that will also include Dolby Atmos.
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Post by jonas79 on Apr 6, 2018 15:38:17 GMT -5
The Emersa line was going to include on that would be in between on price. Whether it comes out as Emersa or as something else (or at all) remains to be seen. Mark Emersa where my first goal to. MC-700 Sucess pushed it forward in time and i buyed it because of no Words on release date. Emersa processorer. Hope it compete with Marantz AV7000 Series. |
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Post by teaman on Apr 6, 2018 16:36:53 GMT -5
I wish we could find out if any of these dream offerings are actually coming down the pipe. Lots of people hang in the balance on this kind of announcement and delay upgrading in hopes this comes to fruition. Whether it is an amp, a pre/pro or an entire line such as Emersa....we would love to hear where everything stands!
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Post by emofrmcgy on Apr 6, 2018 17:13:15 GMT -5
I wish we could find out if any of these dream offerings are actually coming down the pipe. Lots of people hang in the balance on this kind of announcement and delay upgrading in hopes this comes to fruition. Whether it is an amp, a pre/pro or an entire line such as Emersa....we would love to hear where everything stands! Tim Yeah but then it could end up getting ugly. Whether emo fails to deliver on the unit or line. Or if they take an unreasonably long time to release it. Whatever the case, I think it best to buy your gear for what you need right now. If emo ever decides to realease the unit I need I’ll revisit that purchase then. |
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Post by boomzilla on Apr 7, 2018 4:33:32 GMT -5
Other than filling a price point, why would Emotiva go that route at all?
The MC700 (priced at $600 competes with anything else on the market costing less than $2,000.
The XMC-1 (temporarily unavailable at $2,500) was the "midline" product.
And the upcoming RMC1 (not yet released at about $5,000) will be the flagship.
Don't the three adequately cover the various price points?
Now I know that some turn their noses up at the modest MC700, but I'd suggest that those who do so have probably not actually heard it. For its price, the MC700 kicks posteriors, IMHO. So in price, yes, there is a gap between the MC700 and the XMC1 - but in performance, I don't think that a $1,200 price point could actually add much of anything to the existing MC700 (except maybe for some features that aren't really needed).
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Post by brubacca on Apr 7, 2018 4:56:50 GMT -5
I think the intent of Emersa or any product at the $1,200 price point was MC-700 plus Atmos and Dirac. As I recall it Emersa pre/pro was basically an unbalanced version of the XMC-1, without the upgradeability.
I think it would sell. Personally if they just added Dirac to the MC-700 I could be happy with that.
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Post by cwt on Apr 7, 2018 7:42:39 GMT -5
I wish we could find out if any of these dream offerings are actually coming down the pipe. Lots of people hang in the balance on this kind of announcement and delay upgrading in hopes this comes to fruition. Whether it is an amp, a pre/pro or an entire line such as Emersa....we would love to hear where everything stands! Tim Yeah but then it could end up getting ugly. Whether emo fails to deliver on the unit or line. Or if they take an unreasonably long time to release it. Whatever the case, I think it best to buy your gear for what you need right now. If emo ever decides to release the unit I need I’ll revisit that purchase then. Wont be detrimental I think to just give a very general timeline ie RMC1 then XMC1 upgrades then either /or EMP1 with atmos etc enhancements or full size standard component version ; then XMR1 avr .. This timeline I suspect wont be cleared up until Lonnie doesn't bite his lip as he did in the last podcast  Its fun reading between the tea leaves  |
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 7, 2018 19:19:37 GMT -5
Other than filling a price point, why would Emotiva go that route at all? The MC700 (priced at $600 competes with anything else on the market costing less than $2,000. The XMC-1 (temporarily unavailable at $2,500) was the "midline" product. And the upcoming RMC1 (not yet released at about $5,000) will be the flagship. Don't the three adequately cover the various price points? Now I know that some turn their noses up at the modest MC700, but I'd suggest that those who do so have probably not actually heard it. For its price, the MC700 kicks posteriors, IMHO. So in price, yes, there is a gap between the MC700 and the XMC1 - but in performance, I don't think that a $1,200 price point could actually add much of anything to the existing MC700 (except maybe for some features that aren't really needed). From someone who is in the market, there are plenty of Atmos/DTSX capable AVR's that sit between $600 (what an MC-700 costs and $3,000 (what an XMC-1 costs with 4K and Atmos/DTSX). That's the competition for the MC-700, it's not restricted to other processors, plenty of people run AVR's with power amplifiers. That's the market Emotiva are completely missing out on and that situation just gets worse every day. More frequently I see less and less AVR's being available without Atmos/DTSX, AVR's without 4K have almost completely disappeared for this market. Pretty soon there won't be any AVR's without Atmos/DTSX either. Personally I don't think $1200 is the price point, after all half way between $600 and $3,000 is $1,800. My view would be somewhere around $1,500 for a processor with 4K and Atmos/DSTX plus basic DIRAC should be doable. No need for balanced connections, differential circuitry, that's not the target audience. Nor full blown DIRAC. Hell I'd be happy utilising REW, same as with the UMC-200 and MC-700. As someone with a UMC-200 I would never turn my nose up at an MC-700, the only problem I have is that it doesn't handle Atmos/DTSX. Which is fast becoming mandatory, even for people who aren't looking at ceiling speakers. Just those that want the flexibility and to take advantage of the other of object oriented advancements of Atmos and DTSX. At the moment there's a huge gaping hole in the Emotiva processor range, one that other manufacturers are filling be it with processors or AVR's. Cheers Gary |
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Post by boomzilla on Apr 7, 2018 20:39:00 GMT -5
As I heard a salesman say (and it seems accurate) - a good power amp will last decades, but a good processor is obsolete within a year of the time you buy it. In other words, "you date your processor, but you marry your power amp(s)."
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Post by 1960broookwood on Apr 8, 2018 4:44:24 GMT -5
Other than filling a price point, why would Emotiva go that route at all? The MC700 (priced at $600 competes with anything else on the market costing less than $2,000. The XMC-1 (temporarily unavailable at $2,500) was the "midline" product. And the upcoming RMC1 (not yet released at about $5,000) will be the flagship. Don't the three adequately cover the various price points? Now I know that some turn their noses up at the modest MC700, but I'd suggest that those who do so have probably not actually heard it. For its price, the MC700 kicks posteriors, IMHO. So in price, yes, there is a gap between the MC700 and the XMC1 - but in performance, I don't think that a $1,200 price point could actually add much of anything to the existing MC700 (except maybe for some features that aren't really needed). From someone who is in the market, there are plenty of Atmos/DTSX capable AVR's that sit between $600 (what an MC-700 costs and $3,000 (what an XMC-1 costs with 4K and Atmos/DTSX). That's the competition for the MC-700, it's not restricted to other processors, plenty of people run AVR's with power amplifiers. That's the market Emotiva are completely missing out on and that situation just gets worse every day. More frequently I see less and less AVR's being available without Atmos/DTSX, AVR's without 4K have almost completely disappeared for this market. Pretty soon there won't be any AVR's without Atmos/DTSX either. Personally I don't think $1200 is the price point, after all half way between $600 and $3,000 is $1,800. My view would be somewhere around $1,500 for a processor with 4K and Atmos/DSTX plus basic DIRAC should be doable. No need for balanced connections, differential circuitry, that's not the target audience. Nor full blown DIRAC. Hell I'd be happy utilising REW, same as with the UMC-200 and MC-700. As someone with a UMC-200 I would never turn my nose up at an MC-700, the only problem I have is that it doesn't handle Atmos/DTSX. Which is fast becoming mandatory, even for people who aren't looking at ceiling speakers. Just those that want the flexibility and to take advantage of the other of object oriented advancements of Atmos and DTSX. At the moment there's a huge gaping hole in the Emotiva processor range, one that other manufacturers are filling be it with processors or AVR's. Cheers Gary I've been looking to upgrade to Atmos and came upon this thread. Yamaha has an AVR with Atmos/DTS:X, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, AirPlay, 4K upscaling with Dolby Vision, and pre outs for less than $500 street. As someone that has several obsolete processors tucked away its unlikely that I'll ever buy a dedicated home theater unit again. |
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Post by overtheair on Apr 8, 2018 18:17:12 GMT -5
Other than filling a price point, why would Emotiva go that route at all? The MC700 (priced at $600 competes with anything else on the market costing less than $2,000. The XMC-1 (temporarily unavailable at $2,500) was the "midline" product. And the upcoming RMC1 (not yet released at about $5,000) will be the flagship. Don't the three adequately cover the various price points? Now I know that some turn their noses up at the modest MC700, but I'd suggest that those who do so have probably not actually heard it. For its price, the MC700 kicks posteriors, IMHO. So in price, yes, there is a gap between the MC700 and the XMC1 - but in performance, I don't think that a $1,200 price point could actually add much of anything to the existing MC700 (except maybe for some features that aren't really needed). From someone who is in the market, there are plenty of Atmos/DTSX capable AVR's that sit between $600 (what an MC-700 costs and $3,000 (what an XMC-1 costs with 4K and Atmos/DTSX). That's the competition for the MC-700, it's not restricted to other processors, plenty of people run AVR's with power amplifiers. That's the market Emotiva are completely missing out on and that situation just gets worse every day. More frequently I see less and less AVR's being available without Atmos/DTSX, AVR's without 4K have almost completely disappeared for this market. Pretty soon there won't be any AVR's without Atmos/DTSX either. Personally I don't think $1200 is the price point, after all half way between $600 and $3,000 is $1,800. My view would be somewhere around $1,500 for a processor with 4K and Atmos/DSTX plus basic DIRAC should be doable. No need for balanced connections, differential circuitry, that's not the target audience. Nor full blown DIRAC. Hell I'd be happy utilising REW, same as with the UMC-200 and MC-700. As someone with a UMC-200 I would never turn my nose up at an MC-700, the only problem I have is that it doesn't handle Atmos/DTSX. Which is fast becoming mandatory, even for people who aren't looking at ceiling speakers. Just those that want the flexibility and to take advantage of the other of object oriented advancements of Atmos and DTSX. At the moment there's a huge gaping hole in the Emotiva processor range, one that other manufacturers are filling be it with processors or AVR's. Cheers Gary I agree with most of this. A clear example of a very relevant product addressing this market gap is the NAD T758 V3 at an MSRP of $1300. Its still a bit rough round the edges based on AVS comments and a bit inelegant with its USB based expansion for networking/streaming and how it supports the overhead channels/allocates internal amplification but seems to get the job done. It includes 7 channels of very decent amplification (by AVR standards) with external amplification required to support the full 7.1.4 capability or can be used as just a pre-pro. Most importantly, it has Atmos and Dirac Live Lite (expandable to Full for $99), a DTS:X s/w update is promised, potential Dolby Vision and HLG support is not clearly stated currently, although it does appear to come with 3 in/1 out HDMI 2.0b (missing capabilities at time of purchase are always a risk of course.) Doubtless some will disagree but I consider this relevant competition addressing a current gap in Emotiva's lineup. The inclusion of both Dirac and Atmos is significant IMHO, something I haven't seen from anyone else at these price points. For those like myself that are predominantly interested in a home theater solution the NAD solution is tempting but I am hoping that Emotiva leverages their new platform to produce a pre-pro with similar specs at a similar price point to the NAD. In my case I could probably leverage the NAD's amplification but I already have an XMP-5 so adding four more amp channels for 5.1.4 using an Emotiva solution is still an option I'd like to be able to consider, but $2.5k+ for a pre-pro for my use case doesn't make sense to me. Just my 2c of course. |
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Post by tailsawaggin on Apr 13, 2018 12:59:18 GMT -5
I think the intent of Emersa or any product at the $1,200 price point was MC-700 plus Atmos and Dirac. As I recall it Emersa pre/pro was basically an unbalanced version of the XMC-1, without the upgradeability. I think it would sell. Personally if they just added Dirac to the MC-700 I could be happy with that. Hammer, meet head of the nail. I have a UMC-200 and it has everything I need, and does everything I want, except Dirac. Dirac is THE killer feature. DIrac is the only reason for me to upgrade. Two years Emo teased Emersa, which at the time was Coming Soon TM, and by the time it became clear the XMC was going to be the only way to get Dirac from Emo, they started playing hide and seek with it. I really hate to be pessimistic and pile on Emo because they do make some fantastic products, but man, they do make it unreasonably difficult to make a purchasing decision and send them some money. It would be a lot easier to buy from them if they would talk less about what's coming and spend more time bringing things into the here and now. As it is, Emo's habit of announcing things now and producing them next 12th of Nevruary is probably going to send me to another brand, or to the secondary market, and with the RMC and next generation XMC Coming Soon TM, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think there might soon(ish) be used XMC's on the market at roughly the teased Emersa price point. If that comes to pass, it becomes really really difficult to pay full price for a brand new unit with the used, last-gen machine has everything I need and everything I want. |
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Post by brubacca on Apr 13, 2018 14:21:24 GMT -5
This is the one thing about Emotiva that drove me a bit crazy. If you go out of your way to tell us about things then is only common courtesy keep telling us.
Although in this regard I thought we were told that Emersa processor would be after RMC-1 was released. I thought I remembered reading that in a thread. Also thought that the amps and stereo preamp wer done and would be released with Emersa Pre/Pro.
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 13, 2018 16:25:43 GMT -5
I think the intent of Emersa or any product at the $1,200 price point was MC-700 plus Atmos and Dirac. As I recall it Emersa pre/pro was basically an unbalanced version of the XMC-1, without the upgradeability. I think it would sell. Personally if they just added Dirac to the MC-700 I could be happy with that. Hammer, meet head of the nail. I have a UMC-200 and it has everything I need, and does everything I want, except Dirac. Dirac is THE killer feature. DIrac is the only reason for me to upgrade. Two years Emo teased Emersa, which at the time was Coming Soon TM, and by the time it became clear the XMC was going to be the only way to get Dirac from Emo, they started playing hide and seek with it. I really hate to be pessimistic and pile on Emo because they do make some fantastic products, but man, they do make it unreasonably difficult to make a purchasing decision and send them some money. It would be a lot easier to buy from them if they would talk less about what's coming and spend more time bringing things into the here and now. As it is, Emo's habit of announcing things now and producing them next 12th of Nevruary is probably going to send me to another brand, or to the secondary market, and with the RMC and next generation XMC Coming Soon TM, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think there might soon(ish) be used XMC's on the market at roughly the teased Emersa price point. If that comes to pass, it becomes really really difficult to pay full price for a brand new unit with the used, last-gen machine has everything I need and everything I want. The problem as I see it with an Emersa processor is the lack of real estate, there might just be enough room inside for the boards, but power supply proximity could be a consideration. But there is almost certainly is not enough room on the rear panel for the necessary inputs and outputs. I just don't see an Emersa sized box working for a processor with enough spec to sit between the MC-700 and the XSP-1. An MC-700 little brother is more the size fit for an Emersa processor. These days 4K support is a must have, releasing a brand new processor, especially a mid range one, without 4K is laughable. With Atmos/DTSX support gathering pace, as it currently is, it can't be much longer before that to is a must have. Emotiva I'm sure suffered as a result of the XMC-1 being released just as the 4K wave was hitting which was quickly followed by the Atmos/DTSX wave. Making the same mistake twice would not be a good idea. For sure waiting for the next big thing means nothing is ever released, but there is the right time and it seems to me that releasing a mid range processor with 4K, Atmos/DTSX and basic DIRAC would be a marketing master stroke. Because right now there is nothing on the market at that price point that even comes close. Which is what Emotiva is all about, quality products, with specs and sound quality far above the selling price. It quite frankly is a category killer. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Percussionista on Oct 13, 2018 16:26:27 GMT -5
I am guessing that the only way an Emersa pre-pro would come out is after the XMC/RMC dust settles so that common board/design could be re-utilized. I am personally interested in the Emersa processor (4K with Atmos et. al., but not the expandability nor balanced/differential etc. circuitry, with PEQ and maybe (maybe) Dirac, though I wonder how much that adds to the cost). I don't see the XMC-1 as a moderate priced offering but rather high-end, and the MC700 (which I have in the theater room now) doesn't do Atmos, so yes I can see a fourth processor not unlike the MC700 but with the other newer Atmos like features. The only reason I can see why Emo might skip this intermediate idea is if they think the expandability of the XMC-1 will nix the pain of buying a fresh processor each time; pay a significant price up front, then just go incremental to get new important features.
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