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Post by Bonzo on May 27, 2018 21:09:26 GMT -5
Can I be honest with you? I got mine for something like $585, including shipping. Boom sold his for $675 I think. Your price is ebay high ball IMO. BUT, that was before Oppo decided to call it quits. So you may have a 1937 Cord convertible on your hands there. ☺️ Exactly...and I am in no hurry. I've seen several go for at or above my asking price recently. If mine sells, fine. If not, fine. Mark Yep. I know your position exactly.
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Post by Boomzilla on May 27, 2018 21:10:38 GMT -5
Regardless of WHAT disc player I have, I wouldn't want to use its own DACs anyway. Why? Because the analog signal, once reaching the AVR or processor, would then have to be redigitized for bass management. Since I want to avoid the additional A-D / D-A conversions, any disc player I have (whether Oppo or any other) will be sending a DIGITAL signal to the AVR for bass management, volume control, and D-A conversion. So the (analog) "sound" of the disc player is completely academic. If I'm to use an AVR or processor, then that component and not the disc player itself will become the "hub of the system."
In short, the Oppo UDP-205 (whatever its other wild and crazy issues) has been a reliable disc player. Since that's the only function I still need from it, and since it's already paid for, why would I want to change? If the Oppo fails to perform the disc-playing function that I need it to, and if it can't be fixed under warranty, then (and only then) will I seek another disc player.
So the shift here is from the Oppo being the "hub of the system" to an AVR doing that duty. Once that shift is complete, I could just as easily live with an AV disc reader attached to the music server computer via USB. I no longer need an Oppo - I only need a disc-transport.
So feel free to continue criticizing to your heart's content. I have a clear path to what I expect, and whether I use an Oppo or a Samsung USB external computer drive, the ultimate picture and / or sound quality should be identical.
Boom
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Post by Bonzo on May 27, 2018 21:39:34 GMT -5
You seem to have issues figuring out how to hook things up creatively. Check out Mark's way to make the sub work beautifully in his system with the XMC-1. A perfect example of the more connnection inputs outputs the better.
ADC DAC conversion is bad. But you can avoid that.
You distain more components. But you could hook up analog components in a chain. But you would never do that would you.
Someone here could help you better than I if you were more open to options.
Just saying.
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Post by DYohn on May 28, 2018 9:18:05 GMT -5
If you want to dump Oppo and just want a good 4K disc player, look at Samsung K8500. Much less money, much lower profile, same or better video performance.
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Post by jmilton on May 28, 2018 15:14:55 GMT -5
If you want to dump Oppo and just want a good 4K disc player, look at Samsung K8500. Much less money, much lower profile, same or better video performance. Unless he wants Dolby Vision ...🤔
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Post by Gary Cook on May 28, 2018 18:46:19 GMT -5
Have you thought about flicking the 205 and replacing it with the 203? None of those evil Sabre DAC's in the 203 and, not surprisingly, I much prefer their sound. Everything else is the same, same video, build quality, disc spinner etc and there's a financial benefit to be had.
Cheers Gary
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Post by Boomzilla on May 30, 2018 2:10:10 GMT -5
Have you thought about flicking the 205 and replacing it with the 203?... Hi Gary Cook - I have considered exactly that (or else replacing the Oppo with a Samsung) but rejected the idea for the following reasons: 1. The price difference is not great enough to justify the trouble. 2. My UDP-205 is currently under warranty - a used 203 wouldn't be. 3. Any potential sound improvement is totally academic - If I'm using a digital out of the disc player to feed an external DAC or AVR, I'm not listening to the player's DAC anyway. But thank you for the suggestion. Should the 205 give me any further reason to doubt its proper function, I already have a RMA and shipping label from Oppo. Boom
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Post by Gary Cook on May 30, 2018 2:14:36 GMT -5
Have you thought about flicking the 205 and replacing it with the 203?... Hi Gary Cook - I have considered exactly that (or else replacing the Oppo with a Samsung) but rejected the idea for the following reasons: 1. The price difference is not great enough to justify the trouble. 2. My UDP-205 is currently under warranty - a used 203 wouldn't be. 3. Any potential sound improvement is totally academic - If I'm using a digital out of the disc player to feed an external DAC or AVR, I'm not listening to the player's DAC anyway. But thank you for the suggestion. Should the 205 give me any further reason to doubt its proper function, I already have a RMA and shipping label from Oppo. Boom Understood, the price differential here between the 203 and 205 is substantial, like 2 x 203's for the price of 1 x 205. Cheers Gary
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Post by Boomzilla on May 30, 2018 2:30:34 GMT -5
Yes, but "trouble" can include shipping damage (VERY likely, despite factory packaging). In fact, I just shipped a perfectly-functioning Schiit Saga in its factory packaging, and the recipient claims that it blew his speakers when he hooked it up!
Trouble can also include customers who change their mind before the item even arrives and then want me to magically arrest the shipment half-way to them and give them a refund on the item and shipping. I sold a Carver 5-channel theater power amp to a customer in Hawaii recently who did exactly that.
Trouble can also include REALLY minor, cosmetic shipping damage despite factory packaging that the customer then wants me to reimburse, followed by a three month hassle with the shipper to recover the cost of the damage. I sold a Yamaha integrated amp recently where this occurred. Despite giving the customer a BARGAIN price on the item to start with, I ended up losing a significant part of the selling price because the shipper (FedEx) makes their claim process so deliberately difficult that it isn't worth the time to navigate.
So a 2x price difference just isn't worth the potential trouble involved in selling the item. Shipping loss or damage is up to about 50% on items I ship (even with factory packaging), and the time-consuming and convoluted claims process (unique to every shipper) makes it not worth the trouble to navigate. So for electronic components, I'm going to avoid shipping completely in the future.
Selling on CraigsList is also a non-profit proposal. Due to the smaller pool of potential customers, selling prices are typically "give away" or lower. So once I finish selling the few items I have left, I'm OUT of the used equipment (and media) markets.
AMF
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Post by novisnick on May 30, 2018 3:39:05 GMT -5
Have you thought about flicking the 205 and replacing it with the 203?... Hi Gary Cook - I have considered exactly that (or else replacing the Oppo with a Samsung) but rejected the idea for the following reasons: 1. The price difference is not great enough to justify the trouble. 2. My UDP-205 is currently under warranty - a used 203 wouldn't be. 3. Any potential sound improvement is totally academic - If I'm using a digital out of the disc player to feed an external DAC or AVR, I'm not listening to the player's DAC anyway. But thank you for the suggestion. Should the 205 give me any further reason to doubt its proper function, I already have a RMA and shipping label from Oppo. Boom Boomzilla Just a sidebar but ive found that most RMAs have a 7-10 day expiration period. You may want to read the fine print. They would most likely send you a new one but it wouldn’t hurt to check if you don’t plan on using it immediately. concerned citizen 😁
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Post by Boomzilla on May 30, 2018 4:55:58 GMT -5
Just a sidebar but ive found that most RMAs have a 7-10 day expiration period... Their attachment said it was good for 30 days, and that if I needed another after that interval to call them. But thanks for the reminder!
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Post by mgbpuff on May 30, 2018 8:21:10 GMT -5
If you want to dump Oppo and just want a good 4K disc player, look at Samsung K8500. Much less money, much lower profile, same or better video performance. Unless he wants Dolby Vision ...🤔 The Oppos also do some tricks such as color tone mapping (used for UHD to SD conversion) and vertical stretch (used for Constant image height) for projectors).
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Post by Boomzilla on May 30, 2018 16:43:46 GMT -5
They also recognize DVD+RWs and MKV files (most Japanese players don't).
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